BringBackTheBlizzard Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 The Rio Grande Valley or Bethlehem Steel type rebranded scenario is definitely the better way to go in terms of home games and MLSE appear to be open to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 So much for the quiet weekend on here. Duck season is back lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I think rebranding TFC 2 into Barrie FC would be awesome. Build a 6000 seat pop up stadium around the Waterfront or Georgian mall. Have the team train and base their academy out of Nottawasaga Resort in Alliston, Ontario. Both FC Porto and Sporting Lisbon held their practices and stayed their a couple years back when they toured North America. I've been there myself. It has some of the best grass in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 On 3/25/2017 at 5:14 PM, matty said: Can i do the next one drunk or stoned with my Qatari pal while we randomly watch crap on youtube as well for 10 bucks still? @dyslexic nam and I will split the fee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Some interesting CPL talk on From The Black Hole with the TSS Rovers guys. Nothing earth shattering (although they confirmed that CPL officials have talked to them) but perspective on relation to PDL in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, Rheo said: Some interesting CPL talk on From The Black Hole with the TSS Rovers guys. Nothing earth shattering (although they confirmed that CPL officials have talked to them) but perspective on relation to PDL in the future. What would that relation be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Macksam said: I think rebranding TFC 2 into Barrie FC would be awesome. Build a 6000 seat pop up stadium around the Waterfront or Georgian mall. Have the team train and base their academy out of Nottawasaga Resort in Alliston, Ontario. Both FC Porto and Sporting Lisbon held their practices and stayed their a couple years back when they toured North America. I've been there myself. It has some of the best grass in the country. I think this is how TFC gets in the CPL game somehow. I think they're going to get in it just has to be controlled somehow. Like what if they had 25% of a Kitchener Waterloo or London Franchise, and 25% Special class B non voting shares then signed a loan agreement for 5-7 players a year. It could get another market into play because of the financial subsidy without becoming a straight farm team and also get Toronto FC into the league which they obviously want to do. I dont know, just spitballing, but maybe that wouldn't be a terrible thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 52 minutes ago, baulderdash77 said: I think this is how TFC gets in the CPL game somehow. I think they're going to get in it just has to be controlled somehow. Like what if they had 25% of a Kitchener Waterloo or London Franchise, and 25% Special class B non voting shares then signed a loan agreement for 5-7 players a year. It could get another market into play because of the financial subsidy without becoming a straight farm team and also get Toronto FC into the league which they obviously want to do. I dont know, just spitballing, but maybe that wouldn't be a terrible thing. I wonder what kind of mechanisms there will be from CPL teams independently choosing to affiliate with MLS teams (ie. your IMFC-OFFC situation). We assume that the CSA is trying to avoid that scenario (the previously-talked about minor league bogeyman), but I'm not sure what they'll be able to do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 That's kinda what I was getting at. There has to be a 2nd way to make a deal. Bill Manning is onto something about not competing with MLS. Obviously part of it is just protecting TFC's turf; but the OFFC/IMFC thing has a good chance of happening in CPL. It may also be financially good for some CPL teams. It becomes a big bogeyman if they don't structure it right but there's probably a way to do it right. They would have to be full season loans so that you don't get the shuttling up and down with farms clubs and there would have to be and limit as well so it's not and 100% farm club. They are very fine details and it's a slippery slope if gotten wrong. That's why I was thinking like minority shareholder and 5-7 players. Or even a rule like an MLS club can loan max 3 players to any one teamm but could loan to multiple teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some form of loan/affiliation system to pop up eventually... just not right away. They're not going to want an initial farm league impression, but once they get past the first couple of years and people have already formed their opinions one way or another, it may find a way of sneaking in there and we'll have a good 50-page-long argument about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Side tangent. I know we've had some discussion about whether a Missasauga team should go by Mississauga or Toronto. I think I have a solution. Greater Toronto FC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradMack Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Signing an affiliation deal with a club is not a good thing in my eyes. If you want to loan a player, loan the player to whichever club is going to take him and give him the best shot at playing time in the system that best fits that player. In an affiliation deal where 5-7 players are being loaned there could be pressure to give those players playing time or to control the system the team plays. It is best for all teams to operate without that pressure. TFC will try to bully the CPL teams any way they can, look at how they treat the national team compared to the US team, look at how they're ignoring USL quotas this year, look at their front office and coaching staff. They like to say the care about developing Canadians, but they only care about it because its good marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 This thread going nuts in 5, 4, 3, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futballer Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 On 6/20/2014 at 4:43 AM, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Suspect some of the people responding haven't taken the time to read the linked article and don't understand why it's referred to as 1A rather than 1. Blizzard take it from me TFC 2 cannot be part of the CPL the League would not flourish, League 1 ontario is our example that TFC 2nd team will have a negative impact on our National League ambitions. At present no one attends a TFC 2 League 1 games. Our Canadian fan base is very much Soccer educated they only support the Real deal. 1A also indicates a shared working agreement occupying the Division 1 Status in Canada, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, rob.notenboom said: This thread going nuts in 5, 4, 3, ... ...2...1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futballer Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Gopherbashi said: Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some form of loan/affiliation system to pop up eventually... just not right away. They're not going to want an initial farm league impression, but once they get past the first couple of years and people have already formed their opinions one way or another, it may find a way of sneaking in there and we'll have a good 50-page-long argument about it. No way the CPL teams are gonna Gopher for it. No way!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 In case you all want to know what Rob is referring to... http://www.halifax.ca/boardscom/SCcped/documents/ProposaltoCPED-WanderersGrounds.pdf Original 6 teams are Hamilton, Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton (???) , Halifax, Winnipeg Timeline is there League logo (or at least placeholder) is there Stadium renderings are there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, rob.notenboom said: This thread going nuts in 5, 4, 3, ... 13 minutes ago, shermanator said: ...2...1 13 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: In case you all want to know what Rob is referring to... http://www.halifax.ca/boardscom/SCcped/documents/ProposaltoCPED-WanderersGrounds.pdf Wow. August 2018 start with Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Hamilton, Ottawa and Halifax. Referrred to as the "Original Six." edit: They have a logo. Not sure if it's new but they refer to the team as Halifax FC and seem to have a logo though it's hard to make out. Looks like a horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grasshopper1917 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Was wondering how long it would take for you guys to find that lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futballer Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, BuzzAndSting said: I Wow. August 2018 start with Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Hamilton, Ottawa and Halifax. Referrred to as the "Original Six." edit: They have a logo. Moncton i know should be confirmed as stadium is ready and talks had already taken place with moncton quite some time ago. so there should be more than just 6 groups presently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Woooooooooooooooooooooo richard flair style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 That's a really ideal original 6. I'm glad is somewhat in the public domain now we can talk about it endlessly. It captures 5/6 of the biggest Non MLS markets (Quebec City) and Halifax is the Eastern Canada regional hub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Starting in August 2018 I guess means a short season to launch, followed by a full season in 2019 with potentially more teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, masster said: Starting in August 2018 I guess means a short season to launch, followed by a full season in 2019 with potentially more teams. 10-15 games maybe? Isl happens around the same time and is 14 games but has more teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, masster said: Starting in August 2018 I guess means a short season to launch, followed by a full season in 2019 with potentially more teams. "soft launch" I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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