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2 minutes ago, Kent said:

I was imagining rabbit radio being radio run by rabbits, so they would want to convince hunters that it's duck hunting season, not rabbit season.

Nah they're actually hares posing as rabbits because they're double agents working with the ducks to eliminate those pesky wabbits

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2 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

but also because there's no convincing reason I have seen as to why investor groups would actually want to keep it secret at this point or why there wouldn't be lots of rumours circulating in those cities if they had serious plans to proceed on this and tried to keep it all hush hush. For example if the WSA Winnipeg and Calgary Foothills PDL operations are really going to be the technical team for a future pro team wouldn't somebody be bragging about it over a beer or three to somebody who knows somebody who posts or tweets online,...

You know, besides not having committed funds, owners not having gone through a vetting process, discussing how to divide the single group expense and income pot, wanting to create a larger initial marketing splash, concealing details to potential competitors who share the same markets, keeping potential television deals on the QT to surprise competing networks and so on.

However, I do agree, leaks happen, and there hasn't been a lot of leaks regarding the CanPL, which does fairly raise the question, just how far along are we?

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2 hours ago, -Hammer- said:

However, I do agree, leaks happen, and there hasn't been a lot of leaks regarding the CanPL, which does fairly raise the question, just how far along are we?

I'm actually thinking the news that has come out from the Hamilton and Halifax groups, Victor, and Rollins and co. has helped ease the possibility of leaks. They've said a fair bit about the league's structure (6 teams, April to October, MLS model, ect.), goal to launch, possible owners (mostly CFL/NHL ownership) and target cities and beyond that there isn't a great amount that could be said at this stage other than the finer details.

It's also possible there's not enough interest currently to get enough people digging for info.

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4 hours ago, GuillermoDelQuarto said:

Disclaimer: wild and likely outrageous speculation

Was listening to rabbit radio yesterday and they mentioned a "theme" for the 2017 season and said it had something to do with an announcement in march... 

Dare to dream.....? 

September it is.

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Folks 9 days ago I said I was thinking of posting random Spotify playlists on here so we could have a soundtrack to this madness and maybe someone of you could get into some new music. So here is playlist number one for this awful, awful corner of the interweb.

 

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9 hours ago, -Hammer- said:

However, I do agree, leaks happen, and there hasn't been a lot of leaks regarding the CanPL, which does fairly raise the question, just how far along are we?

http://www.northernstartingeleven.com/inaugural-winnipeg-canpl-supporters-group-meeting/?utm_content=buffer42920&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

There were 8.5 attendees to the inaugural Winnipeg CanPL Supporters Group meeting. It was 8.5 because one of the supporters was just there to support a supporter. We don’t have a name, crest, or colours yet, but we do have passion and opinions. On the agenda were items like what we know about the league and a background of what is coming, ideas for who we are, how we’ll work with ownership, and what we want to accomplish as a supporters group.

...

Most had heard the rumors in the blogosphere, social media, and more tangible news from Canada Soccer and other supporters groups across the country. The targeted number of teams (the consensus was 8-12), the locations (please be Winnipeg, please be Winnipeg), and which entities might be involved (likely CFL, possible NHL?) were all debated. It was agreed that the rumoured ownership groups involved have the financial wherewithal and sporting experience to support and grow the game.

Only a few days ago Duane Rollins stated specifically who he thought the owner would be in Winnipeg and who he thinks would be working with them on the technical side of things (i.e. WSA Winnipeg) but the people actually in that city appear to have heard nothing locally and to have received no encouragement from them in a manner similar to what the Ticats have been doing in Hamilton. This is a prime example of where some investigative reporting would probably give us some answers based on nothing more than having a professional journalist lifting the phone and dialing a few numbers, but when it is soccer that is involved the mainstream media are still unlikely to have a look, unfortunately.

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9 largely anonymous strangers meet at a bar and aren't immediately contacted by a major sports corporation. 

Well, time to pack it in, it's all clearly an elaborate hoax to drive viewership to Rollins' free podcast

Jokes aside, I did notice that someone connected with the league encouraged them to reach out to a particular organization, but I'm not sure they picked up on it

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Another reason to be fearful of an owner owning a CPL and MLS franchise at the same time:

http://insidesoccermagazine.ca/joey-saputo-buying-bologna-fc-opens-new-dangerous-doors-montreal/

1-Understanding how "Players on Loan bypass the salary Cap/DP Structure"

A)There was a lot of love shown by Julio Cesar for Toronto FC for the opportunity, too. See, Julio Cesar wasn’t getting a look at all at QPR. Toronto FC allowed him an opportunity to pick his career back up and make the World Cup.

And it was good.

But behind that move was a bit of financial confusion; QPR paid the majority of Julio Cesar’s vast wages. And those wages were vast, because Toronto FC could not keep him around afterward. Julio Cesar would have most certainly commanded a Designated Player level contract; it was one Toronto FC could afford but could not give him under the rules of the league and its salary cap/three DP model.

Under this model, though, a loan in can bypass the salary cap, provided that the player’s original owner/team pays the remainder.

B )So let’s take this example and apply it to New York City F.C.

Lampard, Villa and a third DP – for this case, let’s say Borriello – aren’t clicking; New York could really use a strong central defender to help bunker down the back line.

Over in Manchester City, young Matija Nastasic isn’t getting the playing time he needs. In an effort to find a solution, Manchester City could theoretically loan Nastasic in at a very low price for New York and just pay the rest of his salary on the Premier League club’s payroll.

Montreal could theoretically do the same with players in Bologna swapping over to the Impact on a whim. It bypasses the salary cap and allows teams to stack up talent at a low cost.

 

2-Understanding that it works in reverse in a scenario where (exaggeration of course), FC London finds a local kid who's the second coming of Messi. TFC could easily orchestrate the loan in reverse where no club would ever loan a player like that normally, but the parent club would still make it happen...reinforcing the B League image of CPL if TFC were ever allowed to get their way. 

It also happens in reverse, with Manchester City taking Lampard for Premier League use to great success.

 

3-Understanding the unfair advantage the B Teams would have from beneficiating from their parent's front office organization (scouting to name only that)

See, teams like Manchester City and Bologna have large scouting departments, much larger than the scouting departments of New York or Montreal.

Those parent clubs get access to young players who show tremendous potential but aren’t necessarily raking in the big bucks just yet, either. There are players who Manchester City or Bologna could theoretically sign on contracts that would fit comfortably in an MLS team’s salary cap and then loan them in at will.

Already, MLS has seen a team use this ownership-loan option at this price level: Chivas USA, owned by the Mexican outfit of the same name, loaned in a handful of players this season, of whom only Erick Torres was made a DP. The rest, including players like Edgar Mejia, Julio Morales, Joaquin Velasquez and Giovani Casillas, were not Designated Players.

 

4-Understanding the clear conflict of interest and the unfair advantage that a MLS B Team could potentially have over other clubs, being able to acquire quality players at a much cheaper price than the rest of the CPL team would ever be able to acquire.

Which brings us to Montreal and Bologna. Sure, Bologna won’t be sending over DP level players.

But, Saputo could easily send over younger players or less expensive players to Montreal on loan, and having those players on loan is a key advantage. Because when a player is on loan, there is no commitment to the club. If a player doesn’t work out, the loan is recalled and if the player does work out, a sale can be orchestrated for a very low cost, simply because the money goes from one of Mr. Saputo’s pockets into the other.

It’s a rule, a loophole, and a team-building exploit that could see a few teams benefit tremendously. Whatever happens, MLS must be clear in its rules, one way or the other; living in the grey zone on this issue is a dangerous precedent to set.

 

*That's another reason why setting up a league takes time on the legal side. You need to figure out all those rules/loopholes and details before launching....and that takes time!!!

**After pointing out how much of a disadvantage allowing MLS B teams in the leagues would put the CPL original franchises, why in  their right minds would they ever allow that to happen in their league??? Answer...They wouldn't, hence TFC being unable to land a CPL franchise/affiliation 

Edited by Ansem

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It's becoming evidently clear that in Saputo's mind, Montreal Impact has become Bologna FC B-Team. That's too bad because he used to be all in in Montreal Impact until he bought that club and promoted to Serie A.

That would also explain why he saw little value in keeping FC Montreal around

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If they don't have it already, it seems like it would be easy to at least put in a rule that if a player is loaned between two teams with the same ownership, that player's entire salary has to count against the cap. I guess maybe where it gets complicated is that technically MLS has a "budget" that is given from the league, rather than a "cap", but still, I would think this would be a straight forward fix for that loop hole that ownership groups would agree with.

I'm not so sure how they can handle the loop hole of not paying transfer fees for players transferring between clubs with the same ownership. Perhaps the transfer fee that got the player to the "parent" club has to apply. Or in the event of it being a player that came up through the academy, perhaps some sort of formula based on his salary.

But yeah, I agree that it's always seemed like a bad situation. Remember when all the MLS teams were owned by something like 3 owners? Ah, that was hilarious. I hope CPL doesn't have to go through a phase like that.

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16 hours ago, Ansem said:

**After pointing out how much of a disadvantage allowing MLS B teams in the leagues would put the CPL original franchises, why in  their right minds would they ever allow that to happen in their league??? Answer...They wouldn't, hence TFC being unable to land a CPL franchise/affiliation 

It's the CSA that gets the final say over the details of how the league is formed and they don't seem to think that the new league is called CPL at this point, and I seriously doubt MLSE would still be meeting Scott Mitchell, if the matter had been definitively resolved along the lines you are suggesting. Beyond that the precedent of allowing MLSE to have a feeder team that they own and operate has already been set at D3 level in L1O. Although that league is OSA sanctioned, it is worth bearing in mind that it's predecessor, the CSL, had direct CSA sanctioning and TFC owned and operated a team in that league as well.

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7 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

It's the CSA that gets the final say over the details of how the league is formed and they don't seem to think that the new league is called CPL at this point, and I seriously doubt MLSE would still be meeting Scott Mitchell, if the matter had been definitively resolved along the lines you are suggesting. Beyond that the precedent of allowing MLSE to have a feeder team that they own and operate has already been set at D3 level in L1O. Although that league is OSA sanctioned, it is worth bearing in mind that it's predecessor, the CSL, had direct CSA sanctioning and TFC owned and operated a team in that league as well.

You just need to see how MLS works to understand that what you're saying is inaccurate. MLS implements its own rules as long as it doesn't violate any of the USSF conditions for the D1 sanctioning. Same for CPL in regards to CSA.

I stop reading when you compare D3 and CSL to CPL

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18 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said:

It's the CSA that gets the final say over the details of how the league is formed and they don't seem to think that the new league is called CPL at this point, and I seriously doubt MLSE would still be meeting Scott Mitchell, if the matter had been definitively resolved along the lines you are suggesting. Beyond that the precedent of allowing MLSE to have a feeder team that they own and operate has already been set at D3 level in L1O. Although that league is OSA sanctioned, it is worth bearing in mind that it's predecessor, the CSL, had direct CSA sanctioning and TFC owned and operated a team in that league as well.

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2 hours ago, Macksam said:

http://attractiongodvip.com

The man's name is Jason Capital. He helped me out a long time ago when I realized my social skills were lacking and I had no friends. I think you should try this out and a few of his other stuff.

Cmon Macksam. That's unnecessary. Even if it's meant in honesty ... if it is you could do it through DM. 

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On 1/26/2017 at 8:13 AM, Complete Homer said:

Jokes aside, I did notice that someone connected with the league encouraged them to reach out to a particular organization, but I'm not sure they picked up on it

I missed this.  Was it on here or on Twitter?

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