matty Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 what was the tweet? i'm so confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, Gopherbashi said: Source: Complete Homer killed CPL via leaks. But at least I have him on twitter no way lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 31 minutes ago, baulderdash77 said: He received a legit source rumour and tweeted it out, then found out it wasn't public consumption. So we're teasing him a bit Its ok @Complete Homer it happens to the best of us. Your fine. *edit* 1000 posts! Holy cow I spend a lot of time on here. Thanks I'm honestly spending way too much of my free time trying to promote this league in various circles, I'd hate to do anything detrimental That said, it's not like I should be flattering myself and thinking my reach is enough to to hurt a fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Was it all the CPL tweets about TFC, London, ect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 4 hours ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: unless you are on halucinogenic drugs. good thing I'm not doing the budget then lol where do you think all the pretty pictures come from DARE TO DREAM!! its true though, like I said, all about buzz. the reality is that it can be anywhere from a giant failure in what should be the "right" market, or it can be a massive success in somewhere like Chattanooga. Just depends on the people on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: Thanks I'm honestly spending way too much of my free time trying to promote this league in various circles, I'd hate to do anything detrimental That said, it's not like I should be flattering myself and thinking my reach is enough to reach to hurt a fly yea jeez going and running your mouth off online, who would do something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 The usually reserved Bob Young starting to throw some shade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 6 hours ago, Ansem said: Not sure exploiting "loopholes" gets you in CPL. I think that the OFFC would have to terminate their affiliation with Montreal if they were to join CPL, which seems unlikely due to Montreal closing FC Montreal... I'm starting to think that another group of owners will operate the Ottawa CPL team, not OSEG. Becoming a Montreal affiliate will come back to hunt them. Montreal-Ottawa has rivalries in NHL and CFL, not sure the fans likes what's going on. For me, OFFC burned themselves and CPL should stay away from that brand Where would this non OSEG CPL team play? Edit: asked and answered. If Ottawa has a CPL team it will be the Fury. No other team could play at TD and no other ownership group is going to build a new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Just now, BuzzAndSting said: Where would this non OSEG CPL team play? I think Ansem's idea is that Melnyk would scale down his former MLS bid and come in I wouldn't think it was far fetched if it was reported tomorrow, but it is a plausible future scenario more than anything to expect. Given that Bob Young was "talking to anyone with a stadium" and the NHL groups probably approached their counterparts in other markets, I would think we would have heard Melnyk named if he was considering it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, Complete Homer said: I think Ansem's idea is that Melnyk would scale down his former MLS bid and come in I wouldn't think it was far fetched if it was reported tomorrow, but it is a plausible future scenario more than anything to expect. Given that Bob Young was "talking to anyone with a stadium" and the NHL groups probably approached their counterparts in other markets, I would think we would have heard Melnyk named if he was considering it And he would have put a new stadium in his Lebreton bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top cheese Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I know this has already been posted but where exactly are the locations being looked at. Is it: Halifax; Quebec City; Ottawa; Hamilton - Winnipeg; Edmonton; Calgary; regina ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top cheese Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I also don't think using existing CFL fields would be an issue. You could simply look to sell tickets just for the lower bowl. I would expect as a start up league you would be looking at 5000-6000 as average. If your being generous. Doesn't Moncton have a 30000 seat stadium at the university of Moncton. why would Ottawa or Edmonton want to continue to operate franchises out of an unstable USL or NASL when they could enter this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 30 minutes ago, top cheese said: I know this has already been posted but where exactly are the locations being looked at. Is it: Halifax; Quebec City; Ottawa; Hamilton - Winnipeg; Edmonton; Calgary; regina ? Hamilton, Winnipeg, Regina, Calgary and Toronto seem like the locks. I've been told one of the nasl teams will be joining and heard strong things about Victoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 6 to 8 teams in at least 5 provinces playing and inspiring and helping to develop kids. Even if it's 14 games, a League Two level of play, 30% cancon, 4000 fans at games in 25k stadiums, a tv deal with tln and mlse owning a team it will be the best thing to happen to Canadian men's soccer since the mls came to Canada and maybe the 2000 Gold Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 4 hours ago, matty said: Hamilton, Winnipeg, Regina, Calgary and Toronto seem like the locks. I've been told one of the nasl teams will be joining and heard strong things about Victoria. Think Hamilton is the only lock out of that lot. London, Hamilton, somewhere in the GTA, Ottawa, somewhere in Quebec, Halifax would be a better fit for the starting six based on the most recent rumours. The three western CFL cities keep getting mentioned based on a plan for a Canadian division of the NASL that quickly got ditched several years ago now. If they had really been solidly interested something would probably already be up and running by now along the lines of FC Edmonton-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg-Hamilton-Ottawa Fury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 4 hours ago, matty said: ....30% cancon... Judging by Bob Young's tweet above, I suspect 75% would be a better bet. TFC has around 30% cancon on its roster. A number that low makes it easy to field a team with no Canadian starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 54 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Think Hamilton is the only lock out of that lot. London, Hamilton, somewhere in the GTA, Ottawa, somewhere in Quebec, Halifax would be a better fit for the starting six based on the most recent rumours. The three western CFL cities keep getting mentioned based on a plan for a Canadian division of the NASL that quickly got ditched several years ago now. If they had really been solidly interested something would probably already be up and running by now along the lines of FC Edmonton-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg-Hamilton-Ottawa Fury. Sources? Provide a url Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 57 minutes ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Judging by Bob Young's tweet above, I suspect 75% would be a better bet. TFC has around 30% cancon on its roster. A number that low makes it easy to field a team with no Canadian starters. Beirne came in the boards last week and more or less said they were looking at an escalating quota,IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 1 hour ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: Think Hamilton is the only lock out of that lot. London, Hamilton, somewhere in the GTA, Ottawa, somewhere in Quebec, Halifax would be a better fit for the starting six based on the most recent rumours. The three western CFL cities keep getting mentioned based on a plan for a Canadian division of the NASL that quickly got ditched several years ago now. If they had really been solidly interested something would probably already be up and running by now along the lines of FC Edmonton-Calgary-Regina-Winnipeg-Hamilton-Ottawa Fury. A few months ago I was talking to someone in the know ahead of one of their big meetings, who made the comment that someone from the TiCats (I think they said Mitchell) was heading flying out west to make sure "everyone was on the same page" ahead of the meeting. Obviously that doesn't garauntee anything, but it sort of implies that at least one of the western teams is still around. I don't think a guesstimate that the league would have launches by now is enough to make strong statements about them pulling out Besides, the first time Rollins mentioned specific groups for Calgary and Winnipeg was July 2015. That's not that long ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 14 hours ago, BradMack said: For someone who talks a lot about business you seem to completely ignore the value of money. There are a lot of rich people in Canada, yes. But you know what rich people don't like doing? Losing money. There's a reason deep pocket owners are needed. They usually have more than one business at a time. Take MLSE. You think TFC turned a profit every year? Hell no, but... the Maple Leafs does and compensate for those losses, especially now since they are owned by both Bell and Rogers. They might lose money in one area of the business but the portfolio can still turn huge profits. You think the Jays made money every year? Hell know, but there's a reason why MLB are very selective on their ownership, pretty much every major North American leagues. That's what allowed MLS to survive and thrive. Anything less than that and CPL will fail. It needs the same type of owners and we should all be cheering and hoping for that. Anything less than that and I would have been on the D2 bandwagon a long time ago. 14 hours ago, BradMack said: The fact that London has a successful hockey team means absolutely nothing for soccer. The London Knight are 2nd in attendance in the CHL. There's a sport culture in that city and soccer has history in London as well, just never had a top league. They have the population and corporate presence to support a team like the CPL. CPL will be a very gate driven league. That's why CPL can work in London while NHL would be very hard to justify due to the TV aspect of the market not bringing much value to the league. 14 hours ago, BradMack said: We live in Canada Oh, boy, here it come...., you do know that we're a very multicultural G7 nation... With that mentality, we would have never built the railroad from coast to coast, or had become the 4th most powerful navy in the world by the end of WW2, or grow to become a G7 nation or the world's 10th economy in the world despite our small population, etc... We're very capable when we want/need to achieve things end of patriotism rant... 14 hours ago, BradMack said: You're not going to have a lot of investors willing to go into something so unproven. They seemed to have found 6 of them. If more will be willing to invest will be determined with how the league performs in the early years... Just like MLS had to go through as well, pretty much same for every major leagues when they started. Sure, soccer is unproven in the rest of Canada but we have better attendances for minor world cups and Women's World Cup than Americans. We have higher TV viewership than Americans during the MLS playoffs, by a landslide. Hell, even CFL have better viewership and TV contract than the MLS in the US. Look at the Jays vs. American markets or the Raptors. Our hockey contract is double in value than the entire United States contract. There's a pattern here. Give Canadians something meaningful and that matters to cheer for and they will. Try and feed them 2nd rate and they will treat it as such (AHL, NASL, USL). Hell, even curling has stronger viewership than some sports on some occasion... Montreal Impact got some recognition when they had their CCL match at Olympic stadium in 2009. No one cared about them in NASL, yet, they jumped in MLS, got a new stadium and they became mainstream in the city giving CFL a run for it's money 14 hours ago, BradMack said: I know times have changed but you can't ignore the fact that the CSL happened, there was a London team, and it was a failure and had to be saved by the league just to finish its second season. That is what potential investors will be considering, they know its a money loser for at least the first few years, and after that, who knows? CPL is most likely the opposite of what CSL used to be and it was at a time where soccer was far from mainstream in Canada, time have changed. You're comparing apples and watermelons here 14 hours ago, BradMack said: Making your money back is far from a guarantee. This isn't a voyageurs fantasy land where all of the richest Canadians are going to throw there money into this venture and thousands of fans are going to show up instantly. This is real now and most of the potential investors care much more about making money, than our national team. Why are you going to such extremes? All the richest Canadians? how about we start with 6 of them and perhaps give this league a chance to prove that it can succeed thus attracting more? Look at what happened with MLS, the initial investors threw money at their franchise and lost money. Now, they are laughing at how much more valuable their franchise is in comparison to the initial investment. Some of them saw a 400% increase in value and that surely not thanks to their TV contract. They slowly and surely build up their base to what it is today. You do know that CFL with only 9 teams have better TV viewership and contract, similar salary cap (outside of DP) and similar attendance than MLS? It's not in the realm of insanity to think that there isn't money to be made long term in Canada with a top league IF done right. 15 hours ago, BradMack said: Also, I know you're very passionate about this, so it's easy to get excited and get overly optimistic online, but please remember we're adults and can act like adults even on forums. Theres no need to be condescending and put words in my mouth just because we don't agree on everything. I'm a business student, I've taken "Business 101" I understand these concepts and I would much rather them be a minority owner. I never said I was okay with London being run like a USL team, I never said I would accept MLS B teams, I never called the CPL a failure and called for USSF to save us. I even noted that NYCFC is run like dogshit. Yes we are adults, it's called a debate. Don't take things so personal 15 hours ago, BradMack said: And as far as the confidentiality agreement regarding the six teams that are for sure in at launch... Is that just a way to get around saying you may have fabricated that as there is absolutely no way to know that information? It's important to not get ahead of ourselves at this point, it seems like there may be a few locks but we really do not know anything outside of Hamilton and potentially Halifax. "saying you may have fabricated that ?" Don't be a prick. Victor Montagliani said it himself regarding the confidentiality agreements in radio interviews I've heard and it makes sense. 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Ansem Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 10 hours ago, BuzzAndSting said: Where would this non OSEG CPL team play? Edit: asked and answered. If Ottawa has a CPL team it will be the Fury. No other team could play at TD and no other ownership group is going to build a new stadium. Who owns TD Stadium? Last time I checked, it was the City of Ottawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 The management deal is also important. It's managed by OSEG, so they may have effective operational control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TD_Place_Stadium If there is going to be an Ottawa team, it will almost certainly be the Fury for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 1 minute ago, BringBackTheBlizzard said: The management deal is also important. It's managed by OSEG, so they may have effective operational control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TD_Place_Stadium If there is going to be an Ottawa team, it will almost certainly be the Fury for that reason. Unless you can prove otherwise, that doesn't give OSEG the right to block potential renters from renting the stadium if they are willing to pay rent and pay the facility fees with OSEG getting their cut as well as the city of Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ansem said: Unless you can prove otherwise, that doesn't give OSEG the right to block potential renters from renting the stadium if they are willing to pay rent and pay the facility fees with OSEG getting their cut as well as the city of Ottawa. I'm sure the Fury have some kind of exclusivity clause for soccer in the stadium in their agreement. It's pretty standard. Please note this is rumour and innuendo and common sense. I have no link or direct proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Rheo said: Please note this is rumour and innuendo and common sense. I have no link or direct proof ...we do have documented proof that this is how it works in a Hamilton context, however, which is why there is no danger of an ownership group other than the Ticats suddenly deciding a Hamilton team would be a good idea at least until 2018 when their exclusivity clause for soccer runs out. OSEG did a deal with the City of Ottawa where TD Place is concerned and soccer was part of it in the shape of the Fury along with the CFL team. I would be amazed if they don't have exclusivity for as long as the Fury are still playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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