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Well, this one says 729000 by 2031

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/regionalGovernment/resources/ROPNewsletterVolume2.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiE8L-KuKfQAhUh24MKHQsOBg4QFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNFkxgOM2DqicRry6szBkLuuL6gdWA&sig2=kh9uUgNb3aYNhL39DjsqaA

Can't find the particular document from the transit committee I was reading before

I did see a couple environmentalist initiatives saying 740k, but no citations either. Safe to say 650-750k is probably the range 

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.climateactionwr.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ClimateActionPlan-Summary.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwir7cuCuafQAhWj0YMKHY--Cv4QFghaMAk&usg=AFQjCNG93FFRnOSpkiBgNSPjBLBdDN-OMg&sig2=2iWOYxxJQEDOV7029evyAw

Edit: this one has 729000 and has proper citations from Statistics Canada, so it is probably the most legitimate 

www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/regionalGovernment/resources/RTMP_
FINAL_REPORT_PDF.pdf

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The Big Move overestimated the KWC population from MetroLinx IIRC...

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Sorry, did not refresh to see your last post CompleteHomer

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14 hours ago, matty said:

Yes the impact did draw good crowds but prior to drogba they weren't the most popular mls club in quebec (tfc was) and were the least followed team in the League. I agree quebec could be a good market but including it in the launch might be too risky a move for a club. Like you said if done right a quebec city team could be a success and i think holding off on it until the cpl is established would be doing it right.

Where do you get that? If that was true, why did the Impact-TFC matches have more Impact fans?

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1 hour ago, Blackdude said:

Where do you get that? If that was true, why did the Impact-TFC matches have more Impact fans?

For a while on Facebook, TFC were bigger than the Impact in Quebec. Every other team was the most popular in its region expect for FC Dallas and San Jose who lost to Houston and LA and the 2015 expansion teams. "Popular" might be the wrong word but they were less followed.

The Impact were also the second least popular team from 2012-2014 in terms of Google searches. 2014 also saw the team suffer from a noted lack of media attention.

 http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/inside-mls/fox-soccer-facebook-project-mls-fans-in-united-states-and-canada-maps-030615?cmpid=tsmtw:fscom:foxsoccer

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2015/02/09/ranking-mls-most-popular-teams-new-research-reveals-fascinating-results/

http://www.rds.ca/soccer/impact/reconnecter-avec-son-public-1.1863412

I can understand you rejecting these as merely online nothingness but they are look at by both investors and advertisers.

2015 was the Impact's breakout year in terms of reach and popularity and Drogba was the biggest factor in that. It's also worth noting that the Impact were (as of October 2015) bigger outside of Quebec than in it.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/10/22/montreal-impact-feeling-effect-didier-drogba-almost-every-aspect-club

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3 hours ago, Complete Homer said:

Well, this one says 729000 by 2031

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/regionalGovernment/resources/ROPNewsletterVolume2.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiE8L-KuKfQAhUh24MKHQsOBg4QFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNFkxgOM2DqicRry6szBkLuuL6gdWA&sig2=kh9uUgNb3aYNhL39DjsqaA

Can't find the particular document from the transit committee I was reading before

I did see a couple environmentalist initiatives saying 740k, but no citations either. Safe to say 650-750k is probably the range 

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.climateactionwr.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ClimateActionPlan-Summary.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwir7cuCuafQAhWj0YMKHY--Cv4QFghaMAk&usg=AFQjCNG93FFRnOSpkiBgNSPjBLBdDN-OMg&sig2=2iWOYxxJQEDOV7029evyAw

Edit: this one has 729000 and has proper citations from Statistics Canada, so it is probably the most legitimate 

www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/regionalGovernment/resources/RTMP_
FINAL_REPORT_PDF.pdf

Here's the one I found

http://chd.region.waterloo.on.ca/en/researchResourcesPublications/resources/PopulationProjections_QS.pdf

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It's anticipated that there will be teams in Hamilton, Regina, Calgary and Winnipeg and perhaps Victoria and that the Fury and Edmonton FC will move over to the CPL as well.

Looks like there trying to figure out that second Ontario team, and the Quebec team.

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Paul Beirne eh? He has been really involved in the KW community as well. Was part of the KW United launch amongst other moves. By the way, in regards to population. Waterloo Region continues to grow. I think we will easily hit that 2031 number from LRT. 

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6916859-in-waterloo-buyers-camp-out-for-a-week-to-grab-a-home/
http://www.therecord.com/news-story/6952397-waterloo-region-has-fastest-growing-tech-market-in-canada-report/

There is growing confidence amongst techies here that the Trump victory will be a very good deal for Canada. There are over 300,000 Canadians in Silicon Valley, many from Waterloo and I know a few guys who have startups here and they have said they have been contacted by old friends who are talking about moving home. Also, the jobless rate in Waterloo Region is one of the best in the country.

That doesn't mean we suddenly get a CPL team... but dammit. I can dream. 

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52 minutes ago, Jahinho Guerro said:

 

Looks like there trying to figure out that second Ontario team, and the Quebec team.

Not shocked by Quebec (or that BC is up in the air). Not having the second Ontario-side sorted is however surprising 

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22 minutes ago, shermanator said:

So the CPL have hired someone who was instrumental in building Toronto FC's corporate support? Seems like a wise decision to me!

Curious to see the spin from the usual suspects on how this hire means the league won't happen.

Let me take a crack at guessing

"...This means nothing. Totera threw some of his YouTube money at Bernie to make him lie about being involved. Rollins, who is secretly rich, gave Bernie a bonus because he did such a good job..."

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31 minutes ago, shermanator said:

So the CPL have hired someone who was instrumental in building Toronto FC's corporate support? Seems like a wise decision to me!

Curious to see the spin from the usual suspects on how this hire means the league won't happen.

I'm not the usual suspects, but this screamed BBTB when I read it. Also, I have to admit it does raise questions.

"Beirne says when it comes to potential ownership groups "there's not a lot to talk about", although the Tiger-Cats are in and have a played a significant role in getting the concept off the ground."

I wish the reporter would have dug deeper here. Does "there's not a lot to talk about" mean they don't have interested investors? Or does it mean they can't divulge who their investors are? Can they give us a number of committed investors, and a number of interested investors that aren't yet committed?

Aside from that one little bit, this is good news.

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Glad to see more news on the matter.

Hamilton, Regina, Calgary and Winnipeg with possibly Victoria and overtures to FC Edmonton and Ottawa. Hopefully we can add Quebec City and Toronto to that list.

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2 minutes ago, Kent said:

I wish the reporter would have dug deeper here. Does "there's not a lot to talk about" mean they don't have interested investors? Or does it mean they can't divulge who their investors are? Can they give us a number of committed investors, and a number of interested investors that aren't yet committed?

 

I assume it's a can't say on the record matter and the reporter could just use the various leaks and rumours that have been out there for context.  I can't see it being a lack of interested investors.  Why make your first official announcement if you don't have everything lined up

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So many thoughts! 

1) Excited to see this, Paul is a guy who "gets it" in terms of marketing teams to both supporters culture and getting kids in who will become lifelong fans. Also always ready to engage the fanbase, so hopefully once there's an official announcement to clear out the pesky non-disclosure agreements, the league will actually have a fair degree of transparency, which will be refreshing after 10 years of MLS 

2) As others have said, "not much to talk about" about owners is probably a rephrasing of what we've heard all along about non-disclosure agreements

3) Regarding the foreign team, I am starting to get the feeling that Matty's idea was right. Narrowing it down to EPL really makes it either City 4.0 or Southampton in my books. Hopefully it works out and they actually go for a team 

4) The fact that Victoria is explicitly stated (though not by Bierne) makes me think that Rollins' "BC Team" will be Victoria. Considering he also said that OSEG would be on the poor side of the ownership groups, it's probably not the Highlanders, or perhaps the Highlanders are getting a new partner

5) Given what I've heard and what has been said recently, something tells me #7 and #8 is Quebec City and "mysterious EPL Ontario team" while #9 and #10 are the efforts to bring Ottawa and eventually Edmonton on board. A 6 team launch if none of those can be brought on for 2018 wouldn't be optimal, but as long as they can say they have expansions lined up, hopefully it won't look to bad on them

6) I really really want CPL Toronto to bring back the Blizzard, just for the delicious irony. I'll settle for a retro jersey night 

Edit: grammar

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At the risk of turning this thread into "Complete Homer's stream of consciousness", here's another thought. FuryFanatic tweeting he's "heard some clubs need more time", makes me think Ottawa could be in but not good to go for 2018? Unless he has other sources available

https://mobile.twitter.com/FuryFanatic/status/798245828389433345

Rollins and Totera also tweeting that the trickle of information is going to turn into a flood soon. Get ready! 

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Boom!  Where is Anthony Totera when you need him?

Nice to see some concrete actions with respect to the CPL.  Would be interesting to know who is paying Beirne's salary.

BTW, skepticism is perfectly valid because it is all too easy to get caught up in the excitement of a new league :).  Even after league launch, there is much to prove when it comes to the viability of pro soccer outside of the 3 big Canadian markets.

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4 minutes ago, Levi Oakey said:

So this has to be announced during the Grey Cup. This completely seems to be leading up to this.

I have doubts that they will. Even if there are owners that will have dual ownership, the league is desperate to try to rebuild the Argos. Announcing that there may be yet another alternative to them in the Toronto sports market isn't going to do them any favors. Unless the entire league is on board, I don't see it happening. I see it happening after December after the CSA meeting then or next spring.

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22 minutes ago, Levi Oakey said:

So this has to be announced during the Grey Cup. This completely seems to be leading up to this.

I still don't understand how that makes any sense. It would make more sense to announce it at one of the TFC v Impact games. There you have soccer fans watching. If it comes about by way of a halftime interview with Montagliani or something, or a 5 minute pre-recorded feature or something, then when articles are written about the game, it would make sense to have a mention of the CPL announcement in the same article. What Grey Cup game recap would stop and say "Oh and they also announced a new pro soccer league, and it wasn't awkward at all".

Anyways, I don't think they will announce it at one of those MLS games either. I'm sure it would be a separate news conference or something, rather than piggy backing off of what the general public would believe to be a bigger news story.

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