SpursFlu Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Bertuzzi44 said: I hope he moves for next season. At 17, his potential is sky high and I just don't trust the Whitecaps to be able to get him there. Guess what.. Whitecaps have already got him there What world class player has ever been developed in Concacaf? There may be a few but I can' think of one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Having Larin and Hutchinson around could really help Davies transition to Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Talking about Besiktas as a destination is a waste of breath, they just don't pay anywhere near the kind of money in transfer fees needed to buy Davies. Look at their arrivals on transfermarket the last 5 years, not a single 8-figure transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccer.shocker Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 35 minutes ago, Aird25 said: Having Larin and Hutchinson around could really help Davies transition to Europe. Atiba sure but I don’t think anyone should be taking lessons from Larin on anything related to being a professsional off the pitch for the foreseeable future. While soccer of course has its own universal language, for young players I think it would be ideal to go where English is the primary language or at least widely spoken. Would suck to lose crucial development time at that age related to language barrier. For example, I wonder how much further ahead a young player like Derek Cornelius would be if he spoke decent Serbian (assuming he doesn’t). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Guess what.. Whitecaps have already got him there What world class player has ever been developed in Concacaf? There may be a few but I can' think of one Depends what you define as world class but Márquez and Chicharito come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, lazlo_80 said: Depends what you define as world class but Márquez and Chicharito come to mind. Or Hugo "Dirty" Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badname22 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Guess what.. Whitecaps have already got him there What world class player has ever been developed in Concacaf? There may be a few but I can' think of one Keylor Navas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, SpursFlu said: Guess what.. Whitecaps have already got him there What world class player has ever been developed in Concacaf? There may be a few but I can' think of one Davies isn't a world class player yet lol Like I said, Whitecaps have been good for him so far but I'm not sure they can take him the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, SpursFlu said: What world class player has ever been developed in Concacaf? There may be a few but I can' think of one I think Lozano will get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoginess Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 As much as it pains me to say it, I think Davies would have been better served in Toronto the past season and a bit. I don't think being in Vancouver has hurt all that much but definitely there are better places. Ideally, I hope he gets transferred next January but loaned back to Vancouver (somewhere he knows and is comfortable) until the start of the following season. Then he's going into camp, (U-23 or otherwise) at the same time as everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Bertuzzi44 said: Davies isn't a world class player yet lol Like I said, Whitecaps have been good for him so far but I'm not sure they can take him the next step. You mean MLS can't take him to the next step. Who is the team that has reputation of turning out world class players? Seems like the only team to come close I'd Vancouver and Davies Players provided are maybes at best and no mls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, SpursFlu said: You mean MLS can't take him to the next step. Who is the team that has reputation of turning out world class players? Seems like the only team to come close I'd Vancouver and Davies Players provided are maybes at best and no mls Firstly, you asked about CONCACAF players, so people listed players from CONCACAF. With regards to teams that have a reputation of developing world class players, I think there are probably lots of European clubs that would fit the bill. You seem to agree since you are pointing out no MLS team has ever done it? So I guess we agree?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 3 hours ago, badname22 said: Keylor Navas? Dely Valdés. Luis Garcia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Dely Valdés. Luis Garcia. David Suazo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, SpursFlu said: You mean MLS can't take him to the next step. Who is the team that has reputation of turning out world class players? Seems like the only team to come close I'd Vancouver and Davies Players provided are maybes at best and no mls Rafa Marquez plays his prime years at Barcelona, starts on a champions league winning team twice and wins La Liga 5 times and he's a maybe at best to be a world class player? Woof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Dely Valdés. Luis Garcia. Chicharito, Rafa Márquez and Hugo Sánchez instead of Valdés who really wasn’t “world class” else you could probably include another 2 dozen players including Hutchinson and Radzinski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, Keegan said: Chicharito, Rafa Márquez and Hugo Sánchez instead of Valdés who really wasn’t “world class” else you could probably include another 2 dozen players including Hutchinson and Radzinski. Chicarito was never leading scorer in the best league in the world. In fact he was a bomb, that's just typical epl bigheaded bias. Valdés was the most consistent scorer in Spain over half a decade on a modest team. Anyways, the comment reeks of Anglo bias and worse apart from being a celebratory revelry of soccer ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Chicarito was never leading scorer in the best league in the world. In fact he was a bomb, that's just typical epl bigheaded bias. Valdés was the most consistent scorer in Spain over half a decade on a modest team. Anyways, the comment reeks of Anglo bias and worse apart from being a celebratory revelry of soccer ignorance. You’re calling Spain the best league in the world and saying I’m biased? Okay bud - that’s not a debate anyone here wants to have. The comment reeks of Anglo bias yet I referenced Hugo Sanchez and Marquez who both played in Spain? You’re just hyper sensitive to anything to do with English football.. very strange. Never mind the fact I rate him based off play at Leverkusen and Mexico... Sorry but it’s just a fact.. you’ll find a lot more people saying Chicharito was world class than Valdés. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Yoginess said: As much as it pains me to say it, I think Davies would have been better served in Toronto the past season and a bit. I don't think being in Vancouver has hurt all that much but definitely there are better places. . Why exactly would Toronto have been a better place? They just won MLS cup playing a 3-5-2. He wouldn't have replaced Giovinco, Altidore, Bradley or Vazquez, so there are only 3 positions remaining outside of defense. I doubt they would have been playing him centrally, so if he was playing at all, it would have been as a wing back. How exactly is that any better than his position in Vancouver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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masster Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 As amazing as Davies performance was yesterday, so much of his game is based around dribbling and pace. If he really wants to develop into the type of player that can impact matches at the highest level, he needs to work on his crossing and his shooting from outside the area. These are skills he has never really had to work on. Up to now he has always been able to blow by his man. So he needs to keep moving up the ladder and face tougher opposition so that he can learn to diversify his repertoire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestseveran Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, masster said: As amazing as Davies performance was yesterday, so much of his game is based around dribbling and pace. If he really wants to develop into the type of player that can impact matches at the highest level, he needs to work on his crossing and his shooting from outside the area. These are skills he has never really had to work on. Up to now he has always been able to blow by his man. So he needs to keep moving up the ladder and face tougher opposition so that he can learn to diversify his repertoire. My thoughts as well. If he wants to be a quality winger, he needs to make better decisions in the middle of the park. He's not going to always face converted centre backs/midfielders as fullbacks that he can blow by. He needs to become a multidimensional player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpursFlu Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Everyone, I think I was just calling out the constant meat head comments regarding Davies which include digs at the Whitecaps. I really wasn't lookinh to spark a debate about whether Chicharito is world class. He definitely isn' by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Anyways, the comment reeks of Anglo bias and worse apart from being a celebratory revelry of soccer ignorance. You must be channeling your inner Rex Murphy with that phrase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 1 hour ago, honestseveran said: My thoughts as well. If he wants to be quality winger, he needs to make better decisions in the middle of the park. He's not going to face converted centre backs/midfields as fullbacks every week that he can blow by. He needs to become a multidimensional player. He was just blowing by his man. It's fantastic to watch. It was great to watch at the Gold Cup last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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