dyslexic nam Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I am not going to vilify Herdman for saying that. If anything, a good coach will err on the side of saying a starting-quality player won't be playing in situations like this to keep opposing coaches off balance - and if he gets fit in time to play, then bonus. Olympique_de_Marseille 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: I am not going to vilify Herdman for saying that. If anything, a good coach will err on the side of saying a starting-quality player won't be playing in situations like this to keep opposing coaches off balance - and if he gets fit in time to play, then bonus. Come on, haven't you been paying attention? We blame Herdman for everything now. Even for players recovering from injury quickly, that is obviously a reason why Herdman is inexperienced and should be fired. An Observer, HochelagaFC, Obinna and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 hours ago, king1010 said: Or friendlies but we don't play those😥 What is a friendly? Sounds familiar, but I can't quite remember. Something about playing practice games in order to be prepared for the competitive ones? Bison44, Olympique_de_Marseille and deschamp86 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, Obinna said: What is a friendly? Sounds familiar, but I can't quite remember. Something about playing practice games in order to be prepared for the competitive ones? Allen Iverson school of thought. PRACTICE games??? Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Technically all of the Nations League games (or qualification games therefor) are friendlies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 hours ago, shamrock said: Technically all of the Nations League games (or qualification games therefor) are friendlies. Technically, aren't they the exact opposite of a friendly? Bertuzzi44, RS, Kent and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, shamrock said: Technically all of the Nations League games (or qualification games therefor) are friendlies. FIFA doesn't consider them friendlies. I: importance of match • I= 05 Friendly matches played outside of International Match Calendar windows • I= 10 Friendly matches played during International Match Calendar windows • I= 15 Group phase matches of Nations League competitions • I= 25 Play-off and final matches of Nations League competitions • I= 25 Qualification matches for Confederations final competitions and for FIFA World Cup final competitions • I= 35 Confederation final competition matches up until the QF stage • I= 40 Confederation final competition matches from the QF stage onwards; all FIFA Confederations Cup matches • I= 50 FIFA World Cup final competition matches up until QF stage • I= 60 FIFA World Cup final competition matches from QF stage onwards Summary, you are given more ranking points for Nations League group phase games and even more ranking points for Nations League playoff matches than you do for friendlies. So, technically, they are not friendlies. Edit: source - https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/fifa-world-ranking-technical-explanation-revision.pdf?cloudid=edbm045h0udbwkqew35a Edited August 13, 2019 by Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 hours ago, shamrock said: Technically all of the Nations League games (or qualification games therefor) are friendlies. Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 hours ago, shamrock said: Technically all of the Nations League games (or qualification games therefor) are friendlies. Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 9 hours ago, shamrock said: Technically all of the Nations League games (or qualification games therefor) are friendlies. Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Ranking points aside, they are also the preliminary round games of an official competition. That alone makes them non-friendlies. Kent and Obinna 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Ah yes, got to love when you click submit, but nothing happens, so you click it twice more and still nothing happens....then you think hmm...maybe my comment was posted afterall, let me go and check.... Kyle_The_Hill, king1010, apbsmith and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Obinna said: Ah yes, got to love when you click submit, but nothing happens, so you click it twice more and still nothing happens....then you think hmm...maybe my comment was posted afterall, let me go and check.... Care to elaborate? dyslexic nam, Kent, apbsmith and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadafan101 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Obinna said: Care to elaborate? i think he meant they are all friendlies in the sense that we are already out of the 2022 World Cup, these games are just preparations for 2026 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 An interesting quote from Cavallini that perhaps sheds some light on Doneil Henry's temperament and his track record for getting cards and giving away penalties: Q: Who on the team would you be most scared to get in a fight with and why? A: Everybody knows that. Doneil. 'Cause Doneil's crazy man. This guy gets mad, he's crazy. On the other hand, it may be a psychological boost to know there's a crazy tough guy on your backline. Red and White, dyslexic nam and Ivan 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I like having a loose cannon on my kickball team. It can be fun in the beer league. As a CB at the highest levels, I am not sure it is a positive attribute. hamiltonfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 hours ago, BrennanFan said: An interesting quote from Cavallini that perhaps sheds some light on Doneil Henry's temperament and his track record for getting cards and giving away penalties: Q: Who on the team would you be most scared to get in a fight with and why? A: Everybody knows that. Doneil. 'Cause Doneil's crazy man. This guy gets mad, he's crazy. On the other hand, it may be a psychological boost to know there's a crazy tough guy on your backline. If you asked me, I would think that it's either him or Doneil. Addona 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 6:53 PM, Obinna said: Care to elaborate? Nations League was invented to give some meaning to otherwise meaningless friendlies outside of WC or EC qualification. In Europe, it's still just that. Concacaf decided to use the games for ranking purposes for the Hex but that was afterwards. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aird25 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: I like having a loose cannon on my kickball team. It can be fun in the beer league. As a CB at the highest levels, I am not sure it is a positive attribute. Right... No hot-head has ever made it at the highest levels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 6 hours ago, shamrock said: Nations League was invented to give some meaning to otherwise meaningless friendlies outside of WC or EC qualification. In Europe, it's still just that. Concacaf decided to use the games for ranking purposes for the Hex but that was afterwards. In Europe, the playoffs for Euro 2020 are determined by the Nations League performance and no longer given to 3rd place and beyond from the qualifiers. So for example Scotland, despite being well out of touch with the 2 qualifying spots and behind 3rd place Cyprus in their group, are guaranteed a seeded place in the playoffs because they came top of the Nations League C. Nation League means a whole lot to them right now as they have in theory an advantageous 1 in 4 shot at making the Euros (via the playoffs in March), rather than probably a 0% one in the old system. https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/video/0254-0d40fc7db8ef-0053b61bbe45-1000--european-qualifiers-how-the-play-offs-for-uefa-euro-2020-work/ A video that explains the process, if you care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 23 hours ago, dyslexic nam said: I like having a loose cannon on my kickball team. It can be fun in the beer league. As a CB at the highest levels, I am not sure it is a positive attribute. Message sending has value. Risky business in CONCACAF but still. No one really stands out in my mind, not since Watson or Fenwick, who've had the frame of mind necessary to be "that guy". Even de Vos who could be a physical player. He wasn't the sort who'd make an aggressive tackle into a crunching tackle just because the opportunity offered itself. You know, for giggles. Or intentionally rake a forward. Or crook his elbow out a little challenging for a high ball he was never going to get. Or accidentally fall atop a player, knees first. Or just straight up go and get a yellow by scything down some prick who though he could gallop outside you. Sigh.... Ivan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 17 hours ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: In Europe, the playoffs for Euro 2020 are determined by the Nations League performance and no longer given to 3rd place and beyond from the qualifiers. So for example Scotland, despite being well out of touch with the 2 qualifying spots and behind 3rd place Cyprus in their group, are guaranteed a seeded place in the playoffs because they came top of the Nations League C. Nation League means a whole lot to them right now as they have in theory an advantageous 1 in 4 shot at making the Euros (via the playoffs in March), rather than probably a 0% one in the old system. https://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/video/0254-0d40fc7db8ef-0053b61bbe45-1000--european-qualifiers-how-the-play-offs-for-uefa-euro-2020-work/ A video that explains the process, if you care. I know. They keep adding importance to the tourney I get it, but that was not how it started. And yes, as soon as they didn't call them friendlies anymore but Nations League, they became official caps. If you look at Europe, there's not a lot of "real" friendlies left in the agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHamCanadianinOxford Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, shamrock said: I know. They keep adding importance to the tourney I get it, but that was not how it started. And yes, as soon as they didn't call them friendlies anymore but Nations League, they became official caps. If you look at Europe, there's not a lot of "real" friendlies left in the agenda. Sorry, I guess I was confused when you said, "In Europe, it's still just that." When it was announced in 2014, that whole complicated process of providing the playoff teams for Euro2020 was part of the announcement. No link has been added since, though there has been talk of linking it directly somehow to World Cup qualifying in the future (in addition to the Euros.) It has eliminated a lot of the friendlies and that was the stated purpose. It is probably not great for teams outside the confederation, especially if, like us, qualifying depends on FIFA rankings. But that is not their concern, I would imagine; it was getting meaningful games and a path to more for their "minnows." Edited October 15, 2019 by WestHamCanadianinOxford shamrock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, WestHamCanadianinOxford said: It is probably not great for teams outside the confederation, especially if, like us, qualifying depends on FIFA rankings. But that is not their concern, I would imagine; it was getting meaningful games and a path to more for their "minnows." BTW I hate using FIFA rankings. Just play games already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I wonder where though. johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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