Floortom Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 let's recap shall we? i see people trashing Floro's tactics, but to me that is way, way down on the list of reasons for the failure to place. Look at the roster- as the saying goes you can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad. We have a thin talent pool in Canada - overcoming the loss of most of our good talent in this age group was too much to ask. No Larin, Henry, Froese, Bustos, Aird, Adekugbe, Aleman...just too big of a talent gap between our top tier players and the next level down. Other than Petrasso, Gasparotto, Piette, and Crepeau I don't think any of this roster would get meaningful time on an ideal U23 squad. The Good Petrasso - our only consistent attacking threat. Sure he slowed down the last two matches but hard to blame him when he has so little support. Certainly he over dribbled at time, but in this squad I'm not sure if there was a better alternative for him. Hopefully he gets first team minutes at QPR soon - has a good chance to be a senior team regular. Gasparatto - excellent tournament. Showed great awareness in all the matches and was relatively mistake free. Will be a future senior team fixture IMO. Thomas - I hadn't been impressed with him for the most part at TFC, but he stepped up in this tournament. Also showed some nice ability in set pieces with the goal against Panama and then hitting the cross bar against Mexico. Pretty solid performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1zzurri Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I agree on all three of The Goods you have listed. Gasparotto impressed me a lot (positioning and winning balls in the air). Thomas was pretty damn solid in my opinion and no need to talk up Petrasso... just awesome. Would have been nice to see some of the missign names you listed above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Crepeau impressed me a lot. He had a shaky defence in front of him and faced a lot and stopped a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northvansteve Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 There were many, many encouraging signs in the team's performance. It was 0-0 until the red card took us out of the game today. This team never looked entirely outmatched vs the US, defeated Panama, and stayed close with Mexico (albeit too defensively for my taste). We saw a team that had a coherent philosophy, kept its shape and was a contender throughout. To me, the end result was ultimately a disappointment but overall this was a strong effort. I would like to see a game-breaking threat emerge on the right, and a more dominant central mid develop as well. And we need more depth at the FBs. But the positives - Petrasso, Thomas, Gasparotto, Eustaquiao, et al - outweigh the negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 We are just a step or two behind. That isn't anything too new for exasperated long suffering fans though. Definitely agree with the Good Points in the OP. Disappointed to see very little of Boakai and Carreriro. There were too many meaningful losses to what would have been our best U23 pool, which I think would have got through. Looking back maybe that was in part as much tactical in long term planning as injuries and club commitments. Don't know how much of a play CSA made for some of the missing players and if they would prefer to keep their good grace card in their back pocket for now. The chance to blood in younger players should serve us well, although if it was ever an intention to get to the Olympics it was a gamble too far. To me I think it is long term building and there are many meaningful things we can do in the same time frame other than the Olympics. Planned or not it will help our depth. I will be disappointed if Petrasso doesn't make the November Squad, he has earned it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The only player ready to make the jump to the MNT is Petrasso. I think he should start seeing time as a squad player and be getting called over the Isseys, Bekkers and Piettes of the MNT. Future is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1zzurri Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I also liked what i saw from Fisk in the minutes he played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 let's recap shall we? i see people trashing Floro's tactics, but to me that is way, way down on the list of reasons for the failure to place. Fourth in a Concacaf tournament is a failure? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightback Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I originally posted this in the US-Canada match thread but I think it makes more sense here... I was thinking at the end of the first half that all was going pretty well, the US hadn't scored and were bound to start getting frustrated but then the red card changed everything. I think the strategy was appropriate given the talent on the field and I'm pleased that Floro was there to coach in this tournament. As I hope he will continue as Canada's head coach through qualifications for Qatar, it's great that he's getting some time in with the younger players to get them well organized defensively and trained in the way he wants them to play. I think they did a great job last night after the red card and was proud of their effort. Sure, lightning fast counter attacks would be great, but far more likely for a team with our skill level is a goal from a free kick or corner. Our abilities from dead ball situations have improved on both the senior and younger sides under Floro from what I've seen. Piette as usual was very good. Petrasso I think was getting worn out. J G-L was very good. Thomas and Gasperatto I thought got better as tournament went along. Crepeau shows potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 Fourth in a Concacaf tournament is a failure? Interesting. read more carefully..."failure to place" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Ah, I understand now. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I didn't get to watch any of the matches but (looking at the game reports) I was really surprised to see how little Carreiro played. Is his star losing its luster or was he fighting a nagging injury? Otherwise, I was really disappointed that we didn't include James, Adekugbe, Froese, Aird and Bustos (keeping the Ghana match as a 23+ roster). We may have qualified with help from these five. Great to read about Petrasso's and Gasparotto's performances. They seem like the most ready candidates to jump to the senior pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fussball_eh Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I think Samuel Piette already played very solid. Especially in the 2nd game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1996 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 CSA failed and it started with a chance to showcase some of our best players at this age group right here at home at the PAN AM games, instead of trying to put the best roster out there and showcasing this team at a pretty good event they failed, it could have gone a long way in the team gaining confidence at the PAN AM games going into the Olympic qualifying, a definite head scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apbsmith Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Piette is a BOSS. 20 years old, understand some growing pains but man what a high ceiling. Here is to hoping he continues to develop as a pro and seize the opportunities he has, both as a CMNT & at the club level. He could be a solid staple for us as a DM for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 CSA failed and it started with a chance to showcase some of our best players at this age group right here at home at the PAN AM games, instead of trying to put the best roster out there and showcasing this team at a pretty good event they failed, it could have gone a long way in the team gaining confidence at the PAN AM games going into the Olympic qualifying, a definite head scratcher. Not to mention the spot light for our program. Instead we got another goal less home showing... that was a huge disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1996 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The thing about it when it comes to the Pan Am thing I think many good players were available at the time they CSA just chose to go for more or less a B sort of side it's was just a crazy decision that is leaving me laughing as I'm posting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Narcotic Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Really surprised that Alessandro Riggi didn't get the call and the same could be said for a couple of other FC Montreal players. Riggi, to me, is better than Clarke and Babouli, and showed it this year in USL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 CSA failed and it started with a chance to showcase some of our best players at this age group right here at home at the PAN AM games, instead of trying to put the best roster out there and showcasing this team at a pretty good event they failed, it could have gone a long way in the team gaining confidence at the PAN AM games going into the Olympic qualifying, a definite head scratcher. Yes, I mentioned this in the PanAm Games thread! It was so disappointing that our young overmatched side just wasn't competitive in The Hammer in front of very enthusiastic crowds, it was a missed opportunity! Sadly by the last match even our small hardcore Voyageurs numbers were dwindling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightback Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 From what I saw, Babouli lost the ball a lot with some poor control, nerves I guess. He did a nice job on that free kick though, hope to see him get more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I have no issue with our 4th place finish, what i have an issue with is how we got there. Our only win in the tournament was to a 10-man Panamanian side that we were an offside call away from blowing the game. We never looked like we were even going to bother competing with the Mexicans in a do-or-die match nor did we look convincing in a draw with Cuba. We didn't look good period. Alot of that is lack of talent, but alot of it was personnel choice and tactics by a rigid, stubborn coach. There are clear parallels between the GC and this tournament, namely that our coach chose defensive personnel and tactics and that with qualification on the line (Mexico here and CR at GC) we never had the balls to go for broke and take a chance. That is a dangerous outlook to be taking so close to WCQ. After watching how well our scraped-together MNT looked last night against a good team after a week with Findlay i'm not sure Floro has a clue what he's doing. I dearly hope i'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Findlay in his own words was coaching on the instructions of Floro so it doesn't really make sense to give him credit for the 1-1 draw while at the same time you say Floro doesn't have a clue what he's doing. And while everyone here is questioning Floro let's not forget that the man has one loss against CONCACAF opposition in injury time to Jamaica since taking over. And just 2 losses in this calendar year total. Only one loss in 2014 as well... to the 3rd ranked team in the world off a World Class strike with our B squad. He also clearly has the room on his side. Every person in our camp that speaks about Floro is on board with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The only player ready to make the jump to the MNT is Petrasso. I think he should start seeing time as a squad player and be getting called over the Isseys, Bekkers and Piettes of the MNT. Future is now. While I agree with you regarding Petrasso over Bekker and Issey, I find the comparison of Petrasso and Piette very strange. Their strengths are in completely different positions in the midfield. If you are wanting Petrasso called over Piette in an attacking role, then I agree, but that does not mean Piette should be sacrified for Piette in all circumstances. Piette is best as a DM, a destroyer, whereas Petrasso is best in attack. IMO, Piette IS the future at DM. Not even 21 with 19 caps on the senior team, and he's been quite impressive in my view when used in the right position. Petrasso is competing with the likes of Akindele, Hoilett, Hutchinson, Osorio and Ricketts more than he is competing with Piette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Findlay in his own words was coaching on the instructions of Floro so it doesn't really make sense to give him credit for the 1-1 draw while at the same time you say Floro doesn't have a clue what he's doing. Too bad we don't look as good when Floro's coaching. Maybe he should be instructing his assistants from a 1000 miles away during qualifying. Just so we're clear i'm not being negative for the sake of it, i'm doing it because i am clearly very worried about his strategy these past 4 months and his lack of belief in his teams ability. If we fuck up next month it's probably going to be another 4 years. Two decades since i've watched this team in the Hex and it's wearing thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Too bad we don't look as good when Floro's coaching. Maybe he should be instructing his assistants from a 1000 miles away during qualifying. Just so we're clear i'm not being negative for the sake of it, i'm doing it because i am clearly very worried about his strategy these past 4 months and his lack of belief in his teams ability. If we fuck up next month it's probably going to be another 4 years. Two decades since i've watched this team in the Hex and it's wearing thin. As I said just last year at this time Floro coached us to a 1-0 loss to a 'A' Colombia team with a worse Canadian squad than this one and everyone here was over the moon. It doesn't hurt that Findlay had a few extra pieces making their debut and eager to impress while Ghana was missing some of their top players. We are all worried but at least there is hope. Things look a lot brighter than they did a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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