Olympique_de_Marseille Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Obinna said: Can we move this to the MLS section? Hedges is a USMNT player. This is not pertinent to our national team. Not until he is either A. Cap-tied to the #USMNT B. 100% confirmed as not being eligible to play for Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, jpg75 said: Then move the Cristante and Ferreira threads to World Soccer too. Consistency. To be fair, neither is yet capped by anyone while Hedges is. Also their links are way stronger than Hedges' are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 A reliable source should be posted affirming his possible eligibility, otherwise this thread should be moved elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 hours ago, jpg75 said: Then move the Cristante and Ferreira threads to World Soccer too. Consistency. Cristante and Ferreira are uncapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 hours ago, matty said: To be fair, neither is yet capped by anyone while Hedges is. Also their links are way stronger than Hedges' are. Tbf we'll have to wait atleast 3 years until Cristante gives up on Italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Just now, canta15 said: Tbf we'll have to wait atleast 3 years until Cristante gives up on Italy He already follows the CSA on Twitter so he might be closer than we think. After all, according to Voyageurs logic what guys do on Twitter indicates where they will play internationally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: Not until he is either A. Cap-tied to the #USMNT B. 100% confirmed as not being eligible to play for Canada Is he 100% confirmed as being eligible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Just now, Obinna said: Is he 100% confirmed as being eligible? No, I don't think he has. It's all still a mystery. We think there is a grandparent connection but were not sure. That didn't stop us talking about Ethan Finlay until he was cap-tied to the #USMNT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 0:35 AM, Soccerpro said: He was joking around about playing for Canada and someone heard it, and reported it as real. There is nothing to it. This...... but underlined just to make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, toontownman said: This...... but underlined just to make sure. But that doesn't mean he isn't eligible. He could indeed have a Canadian grandparent and was therefore joking about playing for the #CANMNT. Until the #USMNT cap-ties him or we hear that he has no connection to the country whatsoever, the thread should remain open (if perhaps dormant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: No, I don't think he has. It's all still a mystery. We think there is a grandparent connection but were not sure. That didn't stop us talking about Ethan Finlay until he was cap-tied to the #USMNT. Oh come on. That is way too speculative. We don't even know if he's qualified AND he already plays for another country AND he has never even expressed a desire to play for Canada anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Obinna Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 4 hours ago, jpg75 said: It was a joke and he'll probably never play for us. That is exactly why we should now remove this from the national team section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 5 hours ago, matty said: To be fair, neither is yet capped by anyone while Hedges is. Also their links are way stronger than Hedges' are. They are both provisionally cap-tied after playing for Italy and Portugal respectively at the youth levels. Last i checked all 3 would require their one-time switch to play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Just now, jpg75 said: They are both provisionally cap-tied after playing for Italy and Portugal respectively at the youth levels. Last i checked all 3 would require their one-time switch to play for us. There's no issue with either joining Canada unlike Hedges, Cristante could still play on our U23 team without impacting his senior status with Italy or Canada I believe. Neither is capped at the senior level and both already had Canadian citizenship at the time of their youth caps, the switch is a cleaner process than it would be for Hedges (who might not even be able to play for us) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 ^Even more important than all of that is the fact that he already plays for the US and is part of their program. How pathetic are we that we are discussing this guy here because he MIGHT have a Canadian grandparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Obinna said: ^Even more important than all of that is the fact that he already plays for the US and is part of their program. How pathetic are we that we are discussing this guy here because he MIGHT have a Canadian grandparent. I do believe it's confirmed he does have a Canadian grandma but that doesn't mean he can play. He still needs to get a passport and to do that he'll need citizenship which he might not be able to get if she wasn't employed by the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Obinna said: ^Even more important than all of that is the fact that he already plays for the US and is part of their program. How pathetic are we that we are discussing this guy here because he MIGHT have a Canadian grandparent. It really does look pathetic, IMO. I really hate the obsession that some have over a player that has never in any way, shape or form expressed a desire to play for our national team, and is simply eligible via FIFA laws and nothing more. When that player expresses an interest in joining, then and only then should we talk about them in regards to the national team. So that means no Cristante, no Ferreira, no Cristian Gutierrez, no Vaikla, no Michael Smith, no Hedges, etc. Yes, Arfield joined the national team despite having never stepped foot in Canadian soil. But that doesn't mean anyone else who really has no connection to the national team will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 hours ago, matty said: There's no issue with either joining Canada unlike Hedges, Cristante could still play on our U23 team without impacting his senior status with Italy or Canada I believe. Neither is capped at the senior level and both already had Canadian citizenship at the time of their youth caps, the switch is a cleaner process than it would be for Hedges (who might not even be able to play for us) What issue is there with Hedges joining us? His grandmother was born in Niagara Falls, he was eligible for Canada since birth therefore he has no issue switching. Cristante is ineligible due to age for the next U23/Olympic cycle so not sure what you are refering to there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Obinna said: ^Even more important than all of that is the fact that he already plays for the US and is part of their program. How pathetic are we that we are discussing this guy here because he MIGHT have a Canadian grandparent. We are fans of a national team that hasn't advanced to the Hex in 20 years. By default we are all pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 47 minutes ago, jpg75 said: What issue is there with Hedges joining us? His grandmother was born in Niagara Falls, he was eligible for Canada since birth therefore he has no issue switching. Cristante is ineligible due to age for the next U23/Olympic cycle so not sure what you are refering to there. I was referring to the upcoming U23 tourney in Qatar. Because it's a youth team event I don't believe there's an issue. There's another matter that everyone forgets: a passport. He's useless to Canada if he's unable to play in official matches and i order to play in them he must have a valid national passport (it was put in place for 2018 qualifying). In order to get a Canadian one you need to have citizenship which he likely isn't entitled to according to Canadian law. From Wikipedia Under Bill C-37 which went into force on 17 April 2009, every person born outside of Canada in the first generation abroad (i.e. born to a parent who is not a Canadian citizen by descent) after 17 April 2009 is automatically a Canadian citizen by descent.[8] The first generation rule applies to those whose citizenship was restored or who has retroactively acquired citizenship by Bill C-37 and Bill C-24, so a person who was born on or after 15 February 1977 to a parent who has their citizenship restored under either Bill C-37 or C-24 is automatically a Canadian citizen by descent.[8] The exceptions to the first-generation rule are:[8] the parent, who is a Canadian citizen by descent, is employed by the federal or provincial government (including Canadian Forces) at the time of the child's birth, or, the grandparent, who is a Canadian citizen by descent, is employed by the federal or provincial government (including Canadian Forces) at the time of the child's parent's birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, matty said: I was referring to the upcoming U23 tourney in Qatar. Because it's a youth team event I don't believe there's an issue. There's another matter that everyone forgets: a passport. He's useless to Canada if he's unable to play in official matches and i order to play in them he must have a valid national passport (it was put in place for 2018 qualifying). In order to get a Canadian one you need to have citizenship which he likely isn't entitled to according to Canadian law. From Wikipedia Under Bill C-37 which went into force on 17 April 2009, every person born outside of Canada in the first generation abroad (i.e. born to a parent who is not a Canadian citizen by descent) after 17 April 2009 is automatically a Canadian citizen by descent.[8] The first generation rule applies to those whose citizenship was restored or who has retroactively acquired citizenship by Bill C-37 and Bill C-24, so a person who was born on or after 15 February 1977 to a parent who has their citizenship restored under either Bill C-37 or C-24 is automatically a Canadian citizen by descent.[8] The exceptions to the first-generation rule are:[8] the parent, who is a Canadian citizen by descent, is employed by the federal or provincial government (including Canadian Forces) at the time of the child's birth, or, the grandparent, who is a Canadian citizen by descent, is employed by the federal or provincial government (including Canadian Forces) at the time of the child's parent's birth. Thanks Stephen Harper. Thanks free loading Lebanese-"Canadians". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One American Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Obinna said: ^Even more important than all of that is the fact that he already plays for the US and is part of their program. How pathetic are we that we are discussing this guy here because he MIGHT have a Canadian grandparent. Do you really want an answer? Especially at center back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklefan Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 The issue I have with people insisting on Hedges is, despite the fact he meets the FIFA requirements to play for us, he isn't a Canadian citizen (he isn't born in Canada and neither of his parents is Canadian), which means he should live at least 5 years in Canada in order to become Canadian. Unless I misinterpreted the FIFA rules or the Canadian laws (someone correct me if I'm wrong), he can't play for us until he has Canadian citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Complete Homer Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 23 hours ago, canucklefan said: The issue I have with people insisting on Hedges is, despite the fact he meets the FIFA requirements to play for us, he isn't a Canadian citizen (he isn't born in Canada and neither of his parents is Canadian), which means he should live at least 5 years in Canada in order to become Canadian. Unless I misinterpreted the FIFA rules or the Canadian laws (someone correct me if I'm wrong), he can't play for us until he has Canadian citizenship. This is completely academic, I don't think he'll ever play for us, but I do think he may have citizenship (though would need to apply for proof of citizenship), as he was born before the law ending the perpetual transmission of citizenship regardless of residency. The sticking point would be if his parent born to his Canadian grandparent applied for proof of citizenship before he was born. It appears that that was a necessary step in the perpetual transmission of citizenship outside Canadian borders prior to 2009 The government has a nice quiz at the end this linked page that helps you navigate some of the subtleties. It's academic for him, but useful for the cases like Cordova, etc http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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