toontownman Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Sounds like his agent putting pressure on the USMNT to pick him. He made his debut for them just this past February. Can't see anything coming of this. Would certainly welcome the change of allegiance though lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince193 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Even if this can happen, it will be probably be a while before anything comes of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Since he is a 2nd generation born outside of Canada it appears the only way he would be eligible for citizenship is if his Canadian grandparent had their child outside of Canada while working for the Cdn forces or federal or provincial government. Exceptions to the first generation limit The first generation limit to citizenship does not apply to a person born outside Canada in the second or subsequent generation if: at the time of the person’s birth, their Canadian parent was employed outside Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, the federal public administration or the public service of a province or territory, other than as a locally engaged person (a crown servant); at the time of their Canadian parent’s birth or adoption, the person’s Canadian grandparent was employed outside Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, the federal public administration or public service of a province or territory, other than as a locally engaged person (a crown servant). Persons born to a Canadian parent who are not eligible for citizenship by descent due to the first generation limit may apply for and obtain permanent resident status and subsequently submit an application for a grant of citizenship under section 5 of the Citizenship Act. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules_2009.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The US fan base are higher on him than they were on Akindele. The rhetoric on the Tesho situation was that he should play for Canada because he would be way down on the depth chart and won't be used by the USA. With Hedges, the expectation is that he is already part of their CB depth. Yes, he is pretty far down and yes, he has only 1 cap and is 25 years old, but he has attended multiple camps, I believe. The US backline has been in a perpetuel state of flux for several years now, with no clear cut "best pairing". Is it Beasler/Gonzalaz? Brooks/Alvarado? What about Cameron? Jones? What about reserves? Brad Evans? Orozco? Shane O'Neil? Matt Hedges? See what I mean? To those who keep an eye on the USMNT, you know that Hedges has often tossed in there as realistic option for joining that top group. There is a sense that anyone of those guys are options during an injury crisis (Evans, Orozco) or groomed for the future (O'Neil, Hedges). He is a very real part of their pool, which is why I am shocked he is even considering a switch (if true). The americans won't be happy at this news and I expect an opposite reaction from them than we saw with Tesho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuillermoDelQuarto Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Has anyone else seen the news regarding Aird? Seems he's committing to Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Has anyone else seen the news regarding Aird? Seems he's committing to Canada. Yes, he's been called to the CanMNT game vs Ghana next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Since he is a 2nd generation born outside of Canada it appears the only way he would be eligible for citizenship is if his Canadian grandparent had their child outside of Canada while working for the Cdn forces or federal or provincial government. Exceptions to the first generation limit The first generation limit to citizenship does not apply to a person born outside Canada in the second or subsequent generation if: at the time of the person’s birth, their Canadian parent was employed outside Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, the federal public administration or the public service of a province or territory, other than as a locally engaged person (a crown servant); at the time of their Canadian parent’s birth or adoption, the person’s Canadian grandparent was employed outside Canada in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, the federal public administration or public service of a province or territory, other than as a locally engaged person (a crown servant). Persons born to a Canadian parent who are not eligible for citizenship by descent due to the first generation limit may apply for and obtain permanent resident status and subsequently submit an application for a grant of citizenship under section 5 of the Citizenship Act. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules_2009.asp This is correct. He can still get permanent residency and apply for citizenship through there but would have to live in Canada continuously for 5 years to be eligible by Fifa. In other words, if this exception does not apply to him, he will never play for Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 This is correct. He can still get permanent residency and apply for citizenship through there but would have to live in Canada continuously for 5 years to be eligible by Fifa. In other words, if this exception does not apply to him, he will never play for Canada. I thought this only applied to those born after April 2009: This Scottish born Canadian had two sons: First born before the date; second born after. The first one became Canadian.; the second didn't (because of the change in the law). http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-dad-fighting-to-gain-citizenship-for-son-born-in-peru-i-will-accept-nothing-less-than-a-passport Is this different for Hedges because one of his parents is not already a citizen (they should have done the peperwork before April of 2009)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 were born outside Canada in the first generation to a Canadian parent on or after January 1, 1947 and you lost or never had citizenship due to former citizenship provisions; or He was most likely born in the states in the second generation, which would be why he wouldn't be a citizen by that rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I call it the Tesho/Bunbury effect. One player chose USA and will probably never play another international match and the other chose Canada and will be playing plenty of international footy. I would just like to take this moment to thank both of them for their contribution to Canadian soccer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 If a hypothetical player held citizenship in Country A, and had a grandparent born in Country A, played a friendly for Country B but then successfully filed his one-time switch with FIFA, he could play for Country A but never again for Country B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 ^ Again, unless one of his parents was born in Canada, the only way he could be a Canadian citizen is by the exception case posted above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 ^ Again, unless one of his parents was born in Canada, the only way he could be a Canadian citizen is by the exception case posted above. So a Canadian citizen who was born out of Canada can not have a Canadian child unless that child is born in Canada? Assuming neither the parent or grand parent work for the government. Seems ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Hedges told Steve Pandher it was just banter talk with Tesho that someone overheard. He's never looked into anything to do with Canada. Not that this thread won't go on for another 20 pages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yes, call it the Hong Kong effect! But note, that child can automatically live in Canada and become a citizen in due course. Welcome to my world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 So a Canadian citizen who was born out of Canada can not have a Canadian child unless that child is born in Canada? Assuming neither the parent or grand parent work for the government. Seems ridiculous. Would it make sense for example that someone would be a Canadian citizen because his great-grandfather was born in Canada and the domino effect of that? The child can become a citizen without much difficulty if the family lives and continues to live in Canada. Otherwise, it wouldn't make much sense to simply give the citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northvansteve Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Hedges told Steve Pandher it was just banter talk with Tesho that someone overheard. He's never looked into anything to do with Canada. Not that this thread won't go on for another 20 pages... Well let me contribute to the extension of this thread. That speculation was fun while it lasted. And, by the way, watched him carefully during tonite's game against the Caps and he is quite good. Very good touch, good positioning, good size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yes, call it the Hong Kong effect! But note, that child can automatically live in Canada and become a citizen in due course. Welcome to my world... I doubt the Conservatives would want to keep wealthy Hong Kongians (whatever they are callled) from Canada. This is likely the Lebanon effect, when Canada was on the hook to evacuate up to 50,000 Canadian citizens who had moved back to Lebanon after seeking refuge here in the 70's and 80's (and had acquired citizenship). http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/world/evacuation-of-canadians-from-lebanon-to-start-wednesday-1.579019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 This is correct. He can still get permanent residency and apply for citizenship through there but would have to live in Canada continuously for 5 years to be eligible by Fifa. In other words, if this exception does not apply to him, he will never play for Canada. I don't think this is true. If he could get his PR and be fast-tracked to citizenship, he'd be ok for FIFA because of the Canadian grandparent. My contribution to hitting 20 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yes they do not, but I was under the assumption that if you were ineligible to play for a country at the time of playing for another youth team then you could not make the one time switch. I made the assumption that this applies to friendlies along with youth games. This may not be the case. I was just raising these questions to see if he may be eligible. Motta's exception wasn't about strictly being eligible for Italy when he played for Brazil's youth teams, it was the fact he had played in an official tournament. Hedges, like Motta, already had/has a grandparent from the country he can switch too. So I think when they consider if you were "eligible" at the time (like Koffie was not), they'd accept hypothetical eligibility (ie. blood connection). Marc Weber seemed a bit confused about this aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I don't think this is true. If he could get his PR and be fast-tracked to citizenship, he'd be ok for FIFA because of the Canadian grandparent. My contribution to hitting 20 pages. You are right, but he would need to live in Canada for a certain period to get citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northvansteve Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 We are never going to reach 20 pages if this thread doesn't get more argumentative - and soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 That's new law, passed by our current Conservative government. This wasn't true before. (he was born before April 17th 2009) For those who want to figure it out: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/rules/ http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?q=365&t=5 ...he may need his (parent with a Canadian mother?) to apply for citizenship so then he can possibly get it from his parent. Unless his parent has already gone ahead and got their Canadian citizenship, I see this as probably being at least a year (if not more) before he could play for us. Might not help us this qualification cycle. But it's a nice change to see players wanting to commit to play for us. (or could be using us as "klinsmann please call me up" bate... we never really know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison44 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I dont mind the Klinsman "BAIT" thing. I think after Tesho and even Ethan Findley had their little "will he wont he" moments more guys are at least thinking about it. Maybe some of these guys use us as a ploy to get at klinsman and then realize, that just a rumor causes a Matt Hedges thread to go to 100 pages in 1 week! Maybe playing on cricket pitches and knee high grass in bermuda and Belize for canada is better than playing fifa 16 at home over international breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Humberlands Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Matt Hedges was never on our radar. If he ends up playing for us, awesome! If this is just a way for him to get noticed by Klinsmann, then I'm fine with that too because he's putting our name out there (in a positive way, saying he'd consider playing for us) and giving us free advertising. Canada, the new cool place to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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