reme90 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 "we only let in 1 goal in 3 games". How about next time we put 11 guys in the net and go for 0 goals in 3 games? Our offensive output will be the exact same How much would you give to go back in time and have Stephen Hart have this thinking going into Honduras on that fateful day??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 e: also just lmao at your second sentence. Any more baseless speculation you'd like to share? "But he didn't"? I assume you mean my second paragraph? Osorio didn't look happy, Steven Sandor just tweeted that the young player Roserie opted for a US YNT call because of our "kick and rush" style. How is any of that baseless speculation? Almost have to laugh at the defence of Floro being based on near-misses and half-chances. A coach is judged on results. Hart could point to similar moments at home to Honduras (and in the early moments of the away game). You could defend almost any shitty coach with similar points... if your tactics aren't working (or if they're somehow working but the players aren't scoring anyways), you need to have a little more flexibility. Hell, even if he threw everyone forward and lost 1-0 as a result it would be easier to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Fire Floro? Not yet, but it's never too early to cast a critical eye But what of Osorio and Teibert, the two most experienced and battle-hardened of the young Canadian domestic core? Why didn't they step up and take charge like they have at times with their respective club sides? This is where Floro deserves some flack, as neither player was allowed much time to shine. For reasons unbeknownst to everyone except the coach, neither Osorio nor Teibert saw much time in this year's tournament. Osorio, a lock in Greg Vanney's high-octane Toronto FC side, only saw the field in the final match, and even that was a truncated appearance as the 23-year-old was strangely pulled in the second half of Tuesday's scoreless draw with Costa Rica in favour of defender André Hainault. Teibert, perhaps the highest-energy player Canada has ever seen, was adjudged by Floro to only be good enough for a couple of substitute appearances. The decision to keep Teibert and Osorio on the bench for most of a tournament in which Canada was struggling to create offence will be rightly criticized as fans and media do their own post-mortems on another failed tournament, but it's not egregious enough for Floro to lose his job over. http://www.goal.com/en-ca/news/4172/canada/2015/07/15/13614482/fire-floro-not-yet-but-its-never-too-early-to-cast-a?CMPID=TWCAN_150715_CanMNT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1996 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 We need these players who are playing in the lower divisions in Europe to make a jump to some higher divisions in Europe or higher level leagues somewhere else in the world, it's not a coincidence that a player like Atiba Hutchinson is one of our better players and like we just saw he was sorely missed, we need more Atiba's, if we are still starting players who play in these lower divisions in the next Gold Cup then we can expect more or less the same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 We need these players who are playing in the lower divisions in Europe to make a jump to some higher divisions in Europe or higher level leagues somewhere else in the world, it's not a coincidence that a player like Atiba Hutchinson is one of our better players and like we just saw he was sorely missed, we need more Atiba's, if we are still starting players who play in these lower divisions in the next Gold Cup then we can expect more or less the same results. The younger players like Piette have a chance of moving to better leagues. But for the most part, guys in their mid 20s like Rickketts are there because they aren't good enough for better leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Defensively we did okay. To sum up why I still support Floro as coach: A ) Create few and have a low strike rate <---------------------- We are here B ) Finish the few chances we get C ) Create a lot more chances and keep the same strike rate D ) Finish a higher percentage AND create more To do B requires better players To do C requires our top players (Hutch/Will) to be playing To do D requires a bloody miracle that I'm praying for. and yes you can all say "Thank you Captain Obvious". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Whats with all of this "wcq then we can really judge floro" The judging has already started. This gold cup was the biggest ever bc of copa qualification and the coach was more concerned about tieing than winning. The amount of exposure the mens team would have gotten by playing in the copa against brazil and argentina cant be replicated. Copa qulification would have been a lot easier than wcq and added credibility to our program among the fairweather fans. Qulification would have also brought in tons of sponsorship dollars for next summer in a tournament second only to the world cup and on par with the euros. We qualified for the Copa once, had the team called up, the players were travelling and in airports, then a stupid Canadian diplomatic corps decided it could be dangerous to play in Colombia. An inept CSA believed them. Everyone else went, we annulled the call-up, another team went as a last minute invite, and we never got the experience and exposure it would have meant to be there after the GC win. You have to play to win the game in front of you, and then the next, without speculating about other stuff. I wanted to go one more step in the GC, then the next. As far as reasonably possible, so at least one step further than we got., quarter finals. Then win the qualifiers in August-Sept. I really don't care about the Copa at this point, since if we got to the HEX no one would give a damn about playing in some S American party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 First major test for Floro and it was a fail. There were some positives this Gold Cup but at the end of the day we are last in the group. There are lots of reasons for why we are last and a lot of those have to do with how the team was managed. Floro will be kept on for wcq (CSA can't fire a guy making 1.5 mil). We will play wcq the same way as this Gold Cup - solid defense and no goals except for maybe a lucky bounce here and there. There is a miniscule chance we make the hex. Like vs Dominica you are saying, exactly. Or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 We qualified for the Copa once, had the team called up, the players were travelling and in airports, then a stupid Canadian diplomatic corps decided it could be dangerous to play in Colombia. An inept CSA believed them. Everyone else went, we annulled the call-up, another team went as a last minute invite, and we never got the experience and exposure it would have meant to be there after the GC win. You have to play to win the game in front of you, and then the next, without speculating about other stuff. I wanted to go one more step in the GC, then the next. As far as reasonably possible, so at least one step further than we got., quarter finals. Then win the qualifiers in August-Sept. I really don't care about the Copa at this point, since if we got to the HEX no one would give a damn about playing in some S American party. And we didnt play to win the game front of us. We played not to lose. Which cost us gold cup advancement and copa play in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (CSA can't fire a guy making 1.5 mil). We will play wcq the same way as this Gold Cup - solid defense and no goals except for maybe a lucky bounce here and there. There is a miniscule chance we make the hex. What do you mean the CSA can't fire the guy for non-satisfactory performance. What kind of dumb contract did they sign. If it had been to me, I would have never hired the guy, I never liked him and now even less. He has done nothing to improve our development of young players (having his son coach a younger team hardly qualifies). I doubt Floro has submitted any kind of seasonal plan. Did he present any kind of report assessing the Canadian situation and problems before starting his job and how will he change things to elevate our playing. In all fairness how can the CSA in all honesty judge his work without any tangible pattern of work assignment. To me where the search and hiring of a coach fails is this. The CSA needs to say to the candidate, look coach, we know what our problem is, but we want you to tell us how you see what our problem is and how you intend to solve it and how long it will take you. Will you have specific goals you intend to achieve at specific times slots. Maybe the CSA is doing all of this and in spite of it, something goes exceedingly wrong. But while the whole hiring and selection process is not made transparent, one will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 So now we're expecting Floro to not only get our band of offensively inept players to play free flowing attacking football, but he's also supposed to completely reform the development of young players in two years. If that is what's expected of him maybe we're not paying him enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince193 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 One thing people forget is the lack of quality we have in some areas. Haber, Ledgerwood and Straith are all perennial lower-leaguers. How far do you expect Canada to go relying on guys like them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 How far did Haiti and Cuba go with players who are worse than them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Pride Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Apparently after the game, Floro had a long press conference. Does anyone have a link to a video of this press conference?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Apparently after the game, Floro had a long press conference. Does anyone have a link to a video of this press conference?! http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/index.php?/page/articles.html/_/24th-minute/gold-cup-2015-post-game-show-with-benito-floro-and-david-edgar-r5356 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 video of this press conference?! The only vidoe I found was the 8 minutes the CSA put up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Floro's right in that press conference and explains his thinking.. we make a lot of mistakes with the ball so it's important that we keep a formation that allows us to rectify those situations immediately, we were able to do that this tournament. One thing Floro said is that we weren't in as good condition as Jamaica because they were coming from Copa... why didn't we play a friendly before the Gold Cup?! It was clear we started slow against El Salvador because it was such a step up from Puerto Rico and 2 matches against Dominica, we needed a buffer there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Floro talks about everything that went wrong, but nothing what he did to prepare to avoid wrongs nor how he will now ensure that there are no more mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 I was sort of fine with his formation and tactics, in a sense. However if you are too rigid in your defensive tactics, and don't let players move to unpredictable positions in offense, then your offense becomes predictable. He also checkmarked that box very well. To score they have to have some freedom. Aside from Akindele and Ricketts in the first game it didn't look like any players had that much freedom to be creative, for fear of being out of position defensively and being called on it by Floro. Which, as others have pointed out, is playing not to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red card Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Tim & Sid bitch & moan about the state of Canadian soccer - the sport that Canada has least improved in the past 20 years. And besides the vid, Molinaro article also at link below. Hope is killing Canadian soccer. Where has having hope got us? Why not try hopelessness? We certainly can’t do any worse. Hope has led to the status quo of complacency. Hope has resulted in inaction. Maybe hopelessness will finally spur people to force changes in the current system. Maybe once relieved of the burden of hope—and said developmental problems are tackled in a serious way—the Canadian men’s team will then provide us with genuine hope. Should we continue to support the team as fans? Absolutely. Our support should never waiver. Never. But hope? It’s time to try hopelessness. http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/canada-concacaf-gold-cup-benito-floro-cyle-larin-tesho-akindele/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolbertos Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Molinaro isn't entirely wrong. The CSA needed to be blown up a decade ago after failing to gobto the Hex in 2001. Instead all we got was CSA reforms 2-3 years ago. We should've been with hopelessness then and we'd further along than when we are now. At the same time, a decsde ago we should've pushed for more teams in USL. If we had 8-10 teams, by now we could've formed a viable CSL. Instead we're creating a mess with the 1A status. At this point, we definitelt need leadership because the CSA keeps thinking hiring a foreign coach will shape us up CONCACaF. However hired Floro has some explaining to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Hopelessness is worse, it leads to apathy and a lack of caring. It should not be a hope issue it should be an expectations issue. We have low expectations in this country when it comes to men's soccer and that needs to change so that greater accountability can be enacted throughout the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 What I learned from this years Gold Cup. In Concacaf having the best defence guarantees you nothing. One goal in 3 games is enough to advance no matter how many you give up. That's one goal in 3 games. If you take risks you will be rewarded. No reason to think things will be different in WCQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 The enthusiastic personality of Floro is contagious (am being sarcastic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Hopelessness is worse, it leads to apathy and a lack of caring. It should not be a hope issue it should be an expectations issue. We have low expectations in this country when it comes to men's soccer and that needs to change so that greater accountability can be enacted throughout the system. Yeah the "Canada isn't a soccer/football country" attitude is the first thing that needs to change. But this brings up a deeper attitude within the "soccer community" (players, fans, tv analysts) in North America in general IMO and that is there is a can be just a little tinge of "snobbery" and elitism towards the sport. There are a lot of fans who have no real interest in watching or hearing about soccer that isn't European they have no loyalty to their national team let alone a local MLS club. Yes Barcelona is fucking amazing but that doesn't mean you can't support local soccer. Anyways.. Another issue IMO is what exactly are CSA's goals with the national team? Does it have any hard targets to achieve. ie Achieve top 40 ranking in FIFA standings. Win a Gold Cup in by year X. Become the 3rd best team in Concaf based on fifa rankings? Qualify for World Cup routinely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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