Addona Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'm as confused as everyone else, but what can you do at this point. Honestly, it looked like most of our players were completely gased after 55 minutes or so. Not an excuse, but that's how it looked to me. I thought we did really well in the first 20 minutes. After that ... Well, let's not talk about that. I don't know what to think about Floro's player selection. I will say that I'd rather have good players on the bench than not have them at all. If Floro goes, those players will still be there for the next coach to use. The ONLY thing that makes me not want to cry tonight is the fact that we have some real quality players who are not playing... Not only RT and JO, but Hutch, Henry, Borjan, Will J. etc Of course, Hutch will have to pray that he can wrestle his starting spot back from Adam Straith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditty Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I've been hesitant to really criticize Floro due to the fact that some of the players have spoken highly of him. But having De Guzman AND Piette playing in front of Straith just doesn't make sense to me no matter how many different ways I look at it. Also, those shots of Floro looking like he was complaining about what was happening on the pitch to the players on the bench didn't install confidence in me. Forget about talking to those guys, manage the team on the pitch. We started well but as the game got stretched in the 2nd half, this is where there was opportunity to counter Jamaica and I felt like we were playing with way too much space between the bank of midfielders in front of the back line (Straith, De Guzman and Piette) and our front 3. I think you gotta take a chance and push one of those guys further forward to link up with the front 3. I was really hoping with 20 minutes to go we'd see Osorio come on for Piette or Straith and push him further forward. I know we were under pressure, especially the last 20 minutes or so, but I think you gotta take a chance and beat Jamaica to that first goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBobsaget Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 WOW!!! SLV equalizes. Some small hope remains for Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Canada would need to beat CR and SLV would have to lose against Jamaica to make it I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBobsaget Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 So a win on Tuesday and mostly through (gets complicated if El Salvador wins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBobsaget Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Canada would need to beat CR and SLV would have to lose against Jamaica to make it I think. Or if SLV and Jam draw, Cad goes through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 We'd almost certainly be through at least as a best 3rd place team should we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Or if SLV and Jam draw, Cad goes through. Seeing how tight this group its still very much possible for Canada especially having the game at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Canada would need to beat CR and SLV would have to lose OR DRAW against Jamaica to make it I think. We beat CR and SLV draws and the table would be JAM 5, CAN 4, SLV 3, CR 2 We beat CR and SLV loses and the table would be JAM 7, CAN 4, CR & SLV 2 We beat CR and SLV wins and the table would be SLV 5, JAM & CAN 4, CR 2 There is an outside chance that a high-scoring draw with CR would be enough, but SLV would have to lose, and the stars would have to align in the other groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 We beat CR and SLV draws and the table would be JAM 5, CAN 4, SLV 3, CR 2 We beat CR and SLV loses and the table would be JAM 7, CAN 4, CR & SLV 2 We beat CR and SLV wins and the table would be SLV 5, JAM & CAN 4, CR 2 There is an outside chance that a high-scoring draw with CR would be enough, but SLV would have to lose, and the stars would have to align in the other groups. Well its still in Canada's hands. Which makes Tuesdays game at least somewhat exciting after tonight's letdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 And not that I wouldn't have preferred better results against El Salvador and Jamaica, but I'm almost glad in retrospect that we're on 1 pt instead of everyone tied at 2. The temptation might have been to play for the draw against CR and hope that 3 pts would do it. At least now it's much clearer: a win is the only realistic way through. Hope we pull it out of the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 This is a good post. We are still in it. I'm also quite disappointed at how defensive we have been but the truth is that if we had put away a couple of gilt edged chances we'd now have 4 points. There is no reason we can't beat Costa Reeka at home. In football luck tends to even out and we are due. Piette's and Ledgerwood's forced absences will ensure at least two roster changes, though I think there should be two more, imo, based on what I've seen from the first two matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 To beat Costa Rica, we will have to score. In order to score we will need to pass the ball around in the opposition half. I don't see Floro starting players that will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afun Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Kenny - really good DeJong - terrible (no defense and today no offense) Edgar - realy good game - much better than the first game Jakovic - really good Ledgerwood - ok/poor - this is about the level where he starts looking poor; but he is a much smarter fouler than deJong - both are too slow though Straith - pretty good game Piette - some good and some bad but mostly poor de Guz - really good game except at the very end he needed to close that cross down faster Akindele - poor Larin - poor Rickets - poor Haber - ok Tiebert - good. He has desire and the legs to go 90... Floro - disaster. I am not one to call out a coach very quickly but it sure looks like he may be a complete farce. He needs to be asked about Oso and Teibert, and Morgan for that matter. Could there be a good reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Piette, JDG, and even Straith are good at what they do: play the defensive mid spot well and break up opposition attacks. What they cannot do is go forward. They are all DMs... Straith has played well, but for our next game I would replace him with Piette, and insert Osorio into midfield. I would also start Teibert over Akendele, and Jackson over Ricketts. Ricketts has had plenty of time out there and isn't very effective in attack, let's see what someone else can do. Agreed that Floro's lack of ambition is troubling. Especially against El Salvador, go for the win for christ's sake!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 You can't replace Straith with Piette, the latter picked up his second yellow yesterday (as did Ledgerwood) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Well the Piette inclusion will allow us some attacking flair by bringing Bekker back in the lineup :/ I've always felt since like 2008 that JDG is at his best for us when he's not responsible for being the true holding mid and can venture forward a bit more freely, so if we're going to play him as one mid and then Straith or someone as the DM I'm OK with that. But then you need a guy who can actually do something with the ball as the other CM. So pretty much de Jong ---> Morgan Ledgerwood ---> ??? (Ouimette?) Piette ---> Osorio Rickets ---> Teibert/Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic78 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'm sorry but Ricketts should be nothing but a late game sub. How many times are we going to watch him blow a gilt-edged scoring chance? he did it in 8-1 and he did it last night. If we do not have a better option, then that's an indictment of where we are and I guess we deserve every shitty performance and result that comes to us. I just find it very difficult to believe that someone else in that position could not bring more to the table. yes, the replacement would not be as fast but surely we can find someone with other qualities that would outweigh what Ricketts brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ask yourselves,why are we setup to play for draws against the likes of a Jamaica and El Salvador? Where does that get us in WCQ? it basically, says.. no progress. that substitution when Hainault was brought in late in a 0-0 game against Jamaica says that the coach thinks draw would have been a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Right now we are deliberately not as good as we think we are. If you leave some of the more talented players on the bench and deliberately hope at best for a 0-0 draw by playing defenders in midfield, then you are asking for results like this. I mean we ended the game playing four central defenders, two of them in midfield. The central midfield trio was Straith Hainault & 34 year old De Guzman who is a d-mid at this point in his career (and has been for some time). Of course we weren't going to get a goal at the end. yes. i mentioned in the chat room here during teh game, that in most places in the world, people would be calling for the coaches head if he started a domestic second division player in MF ahead of one or two domestic first division regular starters whose clubs are in the top half of the standings. and furthermore that second division players was not even played in his desired position. Floro put JDG in AM. PS.: i wonder if Osorio is injured?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpg_29 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'm sorry but Ricketts should be nothing but a late game sub. How many times are we going to watch him blow a gilt-edged scoring chance? he did it in 8-1 and he did it last night. If we do not have a better option, then that's an indictment of where we are and I guess we deserve every shitty performance and result that comes to us. I just find it very difficult to believe that someone else in that position could not bring more to the table. yes, the replacement would not be as fast but surely we can find someone with other qualities that would outweigh what Ricketts brings. Ricketts can be useful because of his speed but he should be playing up as a striker either alone or alongside Larin. He needs to be fed balls up the middle to chase down. He should not be making plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 As usual after we lose in terrible fashion I watch the last 20 mins of the actual one happy moment of Canadian soccer in the past 5 years (2012 v Panama), and yeah its nice seeing Ricketts come on in the 70th minute and just blast past defenders on three separate occasions (take it to the corner dammit!). Which is what he's good for. I mean RIcketts up top is optimal but even if you just flip the roles of Teibert and Ricketts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 it basically, says.. no progress. that substitution when Hainault was brought in late in a 0-0 game against Jamaica says that the coach thinks draw would have been a success. I mostly felt that way too, but part of me thought Floro was putting on an extra body that could be one more aerial target for a late free kick. Problem is we would need good service on set pieces for that to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Watch Akindele pull a Cavallini after this tournament. Imagine experiencing this clusterfukc including the crazy travel and packed schedule, risking your club spot and watching WJ prioritize his. I think a lot of people would be demoralized after their first go around anｄ, if you think this was soulーcrushing to watch on tv, imagine how it must have felt being on the actual pitch, 8-1 or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Watch Akindele pull a Cavallini after this tournament. I was thinking the same thing. Not to mention RT and JO thinking WTF ... especially JO, who is friends with LC, correct? We just have to hope and believe that they love Canada enough to stick with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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