A_Gagne Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 7:10 PM, Strait Red said: Highlights of Atiba’s 2020 season still a boss! johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 The Turkish tabloids are writing that Hutchinson will sign a contract extension next week and play for Beşiktaş for one more year. Some claim the year long contract is as high as €500 000! https://www.fotomac.com.tr/besiktas/2020/07/22/besiktasta-ic-transferin-ilk-imzasi-atiliyor-atiba I think that it is a reasonable figure at the upper limit if you factor in possible bonuses tied to playing time or if Beşiktaş make the Champions League. Reminder, on Saturday: Sivasspor must lose or draw their match against Göztepe AND Beşiktaş must win their match against Gençlerbirliği to be able to make the Champions League. Strait Red, Obinna and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) You got to love what Hutchinson is doing, playing some of his best football in the twilight of his career. His career has been criminally underrated in Canada and CONCACAF. If he can keep it going at Besiktas and help Canada qualify for the world cup, boy that will be some accomplishment. Player of the year in Denmark. Multiple league titles in Denmark. Won the Dutch cup with PSV. Won multiple Turkish titles with Besiktas, became a club legend. Record holder for most European games from a concacaf player... AND led his national team to the world cup for the first time in 36 years? That would HAVE to be "concacaf-legend" status..... you couldn't seriously ignore all of those accolades. Edited July 22, 2020 by Obinna Ivan, Corazon, N1ckbr0wn and 16 others 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baulderdash77 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Has he played more European games than anyone in CONCACAF history? That would surprise me to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, baulderdash77 said: Has he played more European games than anyone in CONCACAF history? That would surprise me to be honest. I haven't seen him get an official award for this or anything, but a few weeks back I did a comparison with the top concacaf players involved in European competition, along with those who were active in recent memory. None of them have anywhere close to the amount of combined Europa & Champions League appearances. Those you would expect to rank high, such as Chicharito, Navas or Herrera, are +30 games less than Hutchinson, maybe more (I can't recall off the top of my head). Additionally, I referred to the list of all time Europa/UEFA Cup appearances. Hutchinson, if I recall correctly, ranks 13th All-time for appearances. That's including all players regardless of confederation. Edit: He is indeed 13th https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Cup_and_Europa_League_records_and_statistics In fact, there is no other non-European player who ranked ahead of him, which is amazing. Note that I am talking about EL specifically here. However, considering the number of games he's played in that tournament, I am very confident he is the leader for combined EL & CL appearances (for concacaf players). Though it may seem hard to believe, you can go through his stats and see he has been involved in Champions League or Europa league in every season he's played going back to 2006-07. That's 14 seasons straight of European football. How someone can play that much European football and not be considered one of the greatest concacaf players is beyond me. One could point to his lack of success internationally, but playing in the World Cup with Canada would remove that argument, along with any other excuse one could have for overlooking him. Edited July 22, 2020 by Obinna Free kick, johnyb and Kent 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: The Turkish tabloids are writing that Hutchinson will sign a contract extension next week and play for Beşiktaş for one more year. Some claim the year long contract is as high as €500 000! https://www.fotomac.com.tr/besiktas/2020/07/22/besiktasta-ic-transferin-ilk-imzasi-atiliyor-atiba I think that it is a reasonable figure at the upper limit if you factor in possible bonuses tied to playing time or if Beşiktaş make the Champions League. Reminder, on Saturday: Sivasspor must lose or draw their match against Göztepe AND Beşiktaş must win their match against Gençlerbirliği to be able to make the Champions League. That is a low salary for Besiktas, and Atiba has never been amongst the best paid on that team, ever. So it is a serious drop down from what he is making, which is the lower end of the starters (a million a year I think it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said: That is a low salary for Besiktas, and Atiba has never been amongst the best paid on that team, ever. So it is a serious drop down from what he is making, which is the lower end of the starters (a million a year I think it is). Very true but: -Hutchinson is older and so the risk of a sharp decline in performance becomes more likely. He becomes "higher risk" in a certain sense. -The financial situation of the club is weaker because they haven't been in the Champions League this past season. -A decrease in revenue and possibly higher costs due to all the COVID19 factors. So it's a very solid offer. Obinna and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceA Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) I can see him doing one year deals until 2022 where he'll sign a probably half contract in the summer that goes to the end of the year so he can retire after the 2022 WC IF Canada get's there. Otherwise as soon as we're eliminated I imagine that will be his final season. Edited July 23, 2020 by VinceA yomurphy1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, VinceA said: I can see him doing one year deals until 2022 where he'll sign a probably half contract in the summer that goes to the end of the year so he can retire after the 2022 WC IF Canada get's there. Otherwise as soon as we're eliminated I imagine that will be his final season. Honestly, I don’t think that is what is driving him. If he make $500k a year, it’s a nice piece of change and he will keep on doing it until it doesn’t happen as he knows that once he’s done he is going to have to live off the savings and investment of that for the rest of his life as he is unlikely to replicate anything near that for the rest of his life. Edited July 23, 2020 by An Observer Grammar johnyb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 lol him continuing to play or not has nothing to do with national team..hes turning 38 and most likely done with canada..just about getting a last good pay before retiring jonovision, BrennanFan and Obinna 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 39 minutes ago, Big_M said: lol him continuing to play or not has nothing to do with national team..hes turning 38 and most likely done with canada..just about getting a last good pay before retiring lol he's been "most likely done" with canada for a couple of years now. I will believe it when I see it at this point... Free kick, johnyb and Kadenge 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Obinna said: lol he's been "most likely done" with canada for a couple of years now. I will believe it when I see it at this point... I think his absence for the USA matches was the 'believe it when you see it' moment. The Gold Cup was his swan song. He said so going in. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strait Red Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Atiba finishes the season with 6 goals and 6 assists, not bad for a 37 year old. he had a match rating today of 8.6 and was MOTM. Besiktas also qualifies for the CL with Sivasspor’s loss. Edited July 25, 2020 by Strait Red Olympique_de_Marseille, apbsmith, dyslexic nam and 5 others 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 What a bad game. Multiple goals called back by VAR, huge misses by Genclerbirligi, couple obvious dives by both teams. Hutch also put a nice volley off the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 If you want to know how crazy the Turkish league is, you need to watch the highlights of the Goztepe-Sivasspor match that allowed Besiktas to leapfrog Sivasspor. Fights after the match, managers being sent off and just overall craziness. What a crazy (and interesting) league and country that Turkey is. Strait Red, Nate3322 and johnyb 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 With Yilmaz moving to Lille and Besiktas qualifying for Champions League, could we possibly see Larin play CL football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 At worst I expect the new manager to just take a look at him in pre season or what little of it there is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/22/2020 at 4:14 PM, Obinna said: Record holder for most European games from a concacaf player It is frustrating how hard it is to find a list to confirm this! I'm starting to believe you though, I haven't found a counter example. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker911 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Trabzonspor has had their ban upheld by CAS and therefore are not eligible for tournaments next season. Therefore Besiktas has been confirmed as a Champions League participant. They will start in the 2nd qualifying round of the league path. Corazon, Olympique_de_Marseille, Obinna and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesF Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Red and White, Shway, Cheeta and 14 others 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Incredible. What an athlete! N1ckbr0wn, Nate3322 and Addona 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyslexic nam Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 #Legend Ivan, Addona, Nate3322 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_M Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 The goodbye tour begins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Big_M said: The goodbye tour begins Thought that was last year? Obinna, Cheeta, canucklefan and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) On 7/23/2020 at 10:40 PM, BrennanFan said: I think his absence for the USA matches was the 'believe it when you see it' moment. I would say those games were not exactly critical or high profile games. Nations league was important in the sence that we needed at the time to improve our ranking so that (in the old qualifying format) get a better lot in life for qualifying. But , Nations league matches are still new and it remains to be seen where their place lies in the bigger picture. Clearly, they are not WCQ nor WC matches. WC and WCQ take on a whole new meaning when your talking about prestige and legacy. So i see it as normal that someone in their late thirties would pick and choose and be more selective when it comes to leaving the club and home base to fly around the globe to play in what are essentially freindlies. Or, in this case, something that was close to a friendlies. Edited August 13, 2020 by Free kick Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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