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1 hour ago, Keegan said:

Hutchinson already debunked it on insta on the weekend he said something like “don’t believe the rumours they aren’t true”.

I can't see how Galatasaray would be interested in Hutchinson at 35. They are a bigger club with a bigger budget than Besiktas and won the league last year. I could see Besiktas keeping him around for 1 year plus an option or a smaller Turkish club giving him two years but I do not see why Galatasaray would be interested in bringing him in as a new player at his age. Good that it is not true because he is a legend now at Besiktas and this would sully that.

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40 minutes ago, Grizzly said:

I can't see how Galatasaray would be interested in Hutchinson at 35. They are a bigger club with a bigger budget than Besiktas and won the league last year. I could see Besiktas keeping him around for 1 year plus an option or a smaller Turkish club giving him two years but I do not see why Galatasaray would be interested in bringing him in as a new player at his age. Good that it is not true because he is a legend now at Besiktas and this would sully that.

Especially on a 2 year contract.

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looks like Atiba has re-signed with Besiktas, good move. 

https://www.cnnturk.com/spor/futbol/atiba-hutchinsonin-sozlesme-detaylari

Based on google translate. Besiktas apparently offered 750,000€ for one year, but Hutchy wanted 2 years. CNN is stating that they settled on 825,000€ + another 100,000€ after a certain amount of games played (apparently it's 10).

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A sad but true article about our GOAT: https://www.thestar.com/amp/sports/soccer/2018/08/11/atiba-hutchinson-is-the-best-canadian-soccer-player-youve-never-heard-of.html

Glad to see that he is getting some mainstream media coverage here. From now on we have to make sure that our stars playing abroad get the appreciation that they rightly deserve.

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2 hours ago, canta15 said:

Its hard because most of the world focuses on the attacking players who get most of the goals and forget about the defensive guys

You are 100% right. 

Many didn't even realize the value of Kante until he was transferred from Leicester City (after they won) to Chelsea. 

 

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4 hours ago, canta15 said:

Its hard because most of the world focuses on the attacking players who get most of the goals and forget about the defensive guys

This is painfully clear when coaching kids' soccer - at least at U11.  Everyone wants to be striker, some want to be midfield, always a couple who want to play goalie (because it is interesting) and everyone thinks getting asked to play defence is some form of terrible punishment.  Nevermind the fact that games are better when you have strong players playing defence - but al ost everyone is against the idea of playing in the D.

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It could be possible one of the reasons are defense is so poor is because usually the players who play center back are taller than most players on the pitch and many of our taller athletes twnd to play hockey over soccer

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2 hours ago, dyslexic nam said:

This is painfully clear when coaching kids' soccer - at least at U11.  Everyone wants to be striker, some want to be midfield, always a couple who want to play goalie (because it is interesting) and everyone thinks getting asked to play defence is some form of terrible punishment.  Nevermind the fact that games are better when you have strong players playing defence - but al ost everyone is against the idea of playing in the D.

That could be the hockey culture influence.  In hockey the goal scorers are much more glorified than the creators.   In soccer, i have never seen a number 9 win the fifa ballon d'or at the end of the year. Instaed, the balon d'or winners, the players who grace the cover of glamour magazines and who date the supermodels are the number 10 (ie guys who can score goals but first and foremost known for what they can do to create goals). 

The game of soccer is won in midfield (the creators).  I will bet that in most other countries, all the kids want to be the number 10.  

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11 minutes ago, Free kick said:

That could be the hockey culture influence.  In hockey the goal scorers are much more glorified than the creators.   In soccer, i have never seen a number 9 win the fifa ballon d'or at the end of the year. Instaed, the balon d'or winners, the players who grace the cover of glamour magazines and who date the supermodels are the number 10 (ie guys who can score goals but first and foremost known for what they can do to create goals). 

The game of soccer is won in midfield (the creators).  I will bet that in most other countries, all the kids want to be the number 10.  

Geez watch out!!  Dont post stuff like that, grampa has been cranky since last wednesday. You are just asking for a lecture about how stupid all us CDN fans are.  Maybe some nice hard candy and a flat ginger ale will keep him from freaking out.  

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33 minutes ago, Free kick said:

That could be the hockey culture influence.  In hockey the goal scorers are much more glorified than the creators.   In soccer, i have never seen a number 9 win the fifa ballon d'or at the end of the year. Instaed, the balon d'or winners, the players who grace the cover of glamour magazines and who date the supermodels are the number 10 (ie guys who can score goals but first and foremost known for what they can do to create goals). 

The game of soccer is won in midfield (the creators).  I will bet that in most other countries, all the kids want to be the number 10.  

The last time I was in Nigeria I was playing pick up in the village and everyone wanted to be an forward.

Everyone.

Nobody was fighting to play defense.

No wonder when you visit the Super Eagles national team wiki page, there are more forwards listed in their pool than keepers, defenders and midfielders combined ? 

 

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7 hours ago, Free kick said:

That could be the hockey culture influence.  In hockey the goal scorers are much more glorified than the creators.   In soccer, i have never seen a number 9 win the fifa ballon d'or at the end of the year. Instaed, the balon d'or winners, the players who grace the cover of glamour magazines and who date the supermodels are the number 10 (ie guys who can score goals but first and foremost known for what they can do to create goals). 

The game of soccer is won in midfield (the creators).  I will bet that in most other countries, all the kids want to be the number 10.  

My experience from when I coached, and watching my kid come up, is that there were kids passionate about every  position on the field. That is in Spain, and I can honestly think that there is no shortage of anything, even at age 8. Most of the kids thought it was fun to play in goal. Some did not want the pressure of defence or thought they lacked the physical side, and others did not want to have to wait for the ball and get fewer touches up high. But there was really everything, I recall kids who were centre defenders and team captains at age 8.

If you are living in Liverpool or Naples or Barcelona, and the kids love their footie, they are all going to find idols and heros in all positions, and maybe that is the key, teams are built for quality and exude inspiring players in all positions: in Canada, with MLS, we only pay for quality up front, and the kids see that; or we get the filtered down hype from world soccer that favours the goal scorers. 

In Barcelona, the % of Messi shirts is less overall than what you see of Barça shirts around the world, where Messi shirts totally dominate. At my kid's former club, they decided, who knows why, to plaster a wall with Rakitic stuff, including a signed shirt.

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As I was thinking about what I'd write in my post, I thought I might be taking this further away from Atiba, but maybe not. On my son's U9 team, there are two kids who want to play GK, three who want to play D, a few who like MF, but all the rest (and those who do play MF) really only want to play F. My boy likes all but GK. But, my thoughts went to who becomes a Coach. I'm sure many of you will instantly come up with examples of former goal scoring wonders who've done awesome as coaches, but it does seem that it's the D and M (and sometimes GK) who go on to be the top coaches. Better all-round players, better "vision" of the game, more inclined towards teamwork, less individualistic brilliance? I don't know, but would be nice to see Atiba land an assistant coaching gig (if he's into that) within CPL. Develop there, and then head coaching or involvement with national team?

And then I immediately thought of Cruyff and Zidane. Oh well...

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6 hours ago, RickC said:

As I was thinking about what I'd write in my post, I thought I might be taking this further away from Atiba, but maybe not. On my son's U9 team, there are two kids who want to play GK, three who want to play D, a few who like MF, but all the rest (and those who do play MF) really only want to play F. My boy likes all but GK. But, my thoughts went to who becomes a Coach. I'm sure many of you will instantly come up with examples of former goal scoring wonders who've done awesome as coaches, but it does seem that it's the D and M (and sometimes GK) who go on to be the top coaches. Better all-round players, better "vision" of the game, more inclined towards teamwork, less individualistic brilliance? I don't know, but would be nice to see Atiba land an assistant coaching gig (if he's into that) within CPL. Develop there, and then head coaching or involvement with national team?

And then I immediately thought of Cruyff and Zidane. Oh well...

Well that is depressing, but it is a clear sign of immaturity. If those kids played regularly at recess and noon hour, in a mass of kids at school, all those immature ideas would get weeded out immediately. In pick up, with no coaches, you never see twelve kids hanging around the goal trying to put in a rebound for the glory and 6 back in middle and defense making the plays. 

Another way to solve it would be to play futsal, or seven a side. Both ensure more touches, and get  defenders close to the goal, so you can score playing at the back. You can  score from the centre line. But futsal coached right (and this is admittedly hard), involves rotating your four players on the court, rotating the diamond both in attack and defense: everyone plays everthing, attacks and defends, with a few players specialising of course, but never absolutely. I do recall that very few teams at age 10 knew how to properly rotate positions in futsall, most stuck in two defenders and two in the attack.

But I reiterate: you want to have more goaltenders and defenders, you should probably have some role models close to home, and more balanced reporting about the game. And MLS, for example, paying garbage to keepers and defenders and having few of any glamour at all, that does not help. Nor the filtered down news kids in Canada get about who the stars are. An example: at Barça, some people just adore Pique, I personally think he's a goof (though a good player), but he is high profile and kids emulate him. Hutchinson is loved at Besiktas, they realize the job he does is important. Plenty of PSG fans have Thiago Silva shirts. Or Ramos at Madrid. 

 If you follow a team closely, and have parents and coaches who are into it, then you get past the superficial admiration for strikers and kids want to be a Casillas or Buffon or a Paolo Maldini,  the coolest players on their respective teams for decades.

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1 hour ago, Unnamed Trialist said:

Well that is depressing, but it is a clear sign of immaturity. If those kids played regularly at recess and noon hour, in a mass of kids at school, all those immature ideas would get weeded out immediately. In pick up, with no coaches, you never see twelve kids hanging around the goal trying to put in a rebound for the glory and 6 back in middle and defense making the plays. 

Another way to solve it would be to play futsal, or seven a side. Both ensure more touches, and get  defenders close to the goal, so you can score playing at the back. You can  score from the centre line. But futsal coached right (and this is admittedly hard), involves rotating your four players on the court, rotating the diamond both in attack and defense: everyone plays everthing, attacks and defends, with a few players specialising of course, but never absolutely. I do recall that very few teams at age 10 knew how to properly rotate positions in futsall, most stuck in two defenders and two in the attack.

But I reiterate: you want to have more goaltenders and defenders, you should probably have some role models close to home, and more balanced reporting about the game. And MLS, for example, paying garbage to keepers and defenders and having few of any glamour at all, that does not help. Nor the filtered down news kids in Canada get about who the stars are. An example: at Barça, some people just adore Pique, I personally think he's a goof (though a good player), but he is high profile and kids emulate him. Hutchinson is loved at Besiktas, they realize the job he does is important. Plenty of PSG fans have Thiago Silva shirts. Or Ramos at Madrid. 

 If you follow a team closely, and have parents and coaches who are into it, then you get past the superficial admiration for strikers and kids want to be a Casillas or Buffon or a Paolo Maldini,  the coolest players on their respective teams for decades.

I have great memories as a child in elementary school.

One of my favorites was every lunch time playing pick up soccer outside. The chain-linked fence that bounded the school play ground - we used that as our entire field, and delineated goals by piling our jackets at the fence posts, in order to create the goal posts at either end.

Anyways, as you all can imagine (UT aside, apparently :)), we all chased the ball like a swarm of bees. Either that or just waited for the ball "on the suck". 

I'm sure it's different in Spain and other "developed" football nations, but that's how it went down in the 90s at my elementary school in St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada.

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Good one Obinna, on the praires in the early 80's we did shoot outs for the entire lunch break.  ALL WINTER.  We set up behind the baseball backstop which gave us a nice chain link fence goal with posts and cross bar, and for 45 min we lined up and blasted penalties, taking turns in net diving into 2 feet of snow trying to make a save on Platini or Maradonna.  

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50 minutes ago, Bison44 said:

Good one Obinna, on the praires in the early 80's we did shoot outs for the entire lunch break.  ALL WINTER.  We set up behind the baseball backstop which gave us a nice chain link fence goal with posts and cross bar, and for 45 min we lined up and blasted penalties, taking turns in net diving into 2 feet of snow trying to make a save on Platini or Maradonna.  

Baseball backstops were the best goals!  We sort of played a full contact version of soccer/hockey with a tattered ball - it was war. 

As for UT saying kids are “immature” for all wanting to play forward.. uh, yea they’re kids it has nothing to do with where they’re from even though we know you desperately want to relate it to Canadian kids “just not getting it”.  We are tops in hockey and if you play street hockey of course everyone wants to be a forward or if you’re playing football you want to be the qb and not the guy on the line. If it’s baseball you want to bat first etc.  

Recess is a limited time so you need to get your glory in and that doesn’t come playing for a 0-0 unless you’re a keeper doing your best Hasek impression.

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I don't know if it is so different: the standard in Spain the whole elementary school is on a basketball court at recess or lunch (well maybe they'd divide the times between bigger and littler kids), and it is a free for all, say 15-25 a side, girls and boys. It's quite a mess, but skills dominate, the dribblers are king of the castle. But after say age 5 or 6 the swarm of bees drops off, if you watch tykes at a halftime game they are like that, but by age 7 or 8 kids tend to think positionally. It is really the only way to get a touch: why would a guy just chase the ball for an hour, it makes no sense? Better take up a spot and do your part.

I have also seen kids doing penalties, and shots,  because they love to do just what Bison44 says, but with no snow protection, in the dirt. And up to an older age, say 11/12 especially. My boy loved to play goal, I found almost all kids had some basic goalkeeping skills for this reason.

The whole point is that the natural maturity curve for the game is that players learn to play a position, and then are flexible and interpret it in their own way. And most will get to early teens with a main positional identity, and then the capacity to do something else in a pinch or to get more playing time. At 16 my boy was told he could sit on the bench and sub into a creative mid position, on a good day or be a starter as an outside back, and his coach was right, he learnt it and learnt to really enjoy it.

I am frankly disturbed by these stories of kids not wanting to play defence, that is a bad sign for Canadian soccer development. Keegan, you are commenting on me using the word "immature": if kids are playing free for all madness at 5 or 6, that is normal. Not at 9, that is a waste of a sport on an entire country. 

 

 

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I coached alot of under 16 baseball and softball, half the kids didnt want to play the outfield.  The only way i got my nephews to play "defense" in soccer was to tell them they had to stay close to the goal to keep the goalie company or he wouldnt have any fun when the ball was in the other half for extended periods.  

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