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11 minutes ago, Obinna said:

With Cyle Larin and Lucas Cavallini netting hattricks last window, Corbeanu coming off a steller debut for Canada, and Jonathan David proving to be the hottest young forward in Ligue 1 right now, does anyone else feel that Ayo is kind of a "nice to have"?

Don't get me wrong, because I absolutely want him to play for us, and I love his potential, but it just doesn't feel like our chances depend on him right now. His path to get minutes with Canada for me is not clear. The Gold Cup will be a "B" tournament from our perspective, so perhaps that's his chance, but our fortunes don't exactly hinge on him being available for June WCQ. 

Anyways, I would probably feel different if he was playing and scoring, but he's not, so it's easy to see it that way until he gets back on the field and reminds us why we all rate him so highly. 

Our chances certainly don’t “depend on him” in any capacity.  We are getting stronger all the time and I don’t see that trend reversing soon. 
 

Having said that, for me, he is more than a “nice to have” situation.  He was an absolute beast in the MLS is Back tourney and at his age his potential ceiling is pretty high IMO.  And depth and competition for spots is always to our advantage.  Cav probably won’t be around for too many more years, and as exciting as Corbeanu was, who knows where he goes from here.  In 2026, Ayo could absolutely be in the conversation as a solid contributor for us.  Maybe not, of course, but I definitely want him in the program.   If he is fit in June, I would be calling him up if I was Herdman (and not just for cover for David).  

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Not to pile on, but I am defending the maple leaf on this one.  Larin played at Sigma until he was 18 (and played in Canada up until that time).  Playing 39 games in NCAA doesn’t diminish that. 

Who's on their high horse??  If you choose to help anther nation, bring glory to their program, win trophies for them etc I think that does say something about how much or what kind of CDN you are.  I

He probably also get nailed to the bench once Altidore returns too. I can't wait until TFC loses its American influence. I've had season tickets since season 1 and I'm tired of being Team America

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41 minutes ago, dyslexic nam said:

Our chances certainly don’t “depend on him” in any capacity.  We are getting stronger all the time and I don’t see that trend reversing soon. 
 

Having said that, for me, he is more than a “nice to have” situation.  He was an absolute beast in the MLS is Back tourney and at his age his potential ceiling is pretty high IMO.  And depth and competition for spots is always to our advantage.  Cav probably won’t be around for too many more years, and as exciting as Corbeanu was, who knows where he goes from here.  In 2026, Ayo could absolutely be in the conversation as a solid contributor for us.  Maybe not, of course, but I definitely want him in the program.   If he is fit in June, I would be calling him up if I was Herdman (and not just for cover for David).  

Who would you drop to bring him in for June? Would he need to replicate 2020 form to be called in, or do you still bring him in if his numbers are down?

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Just now, Obinna said:

Who would you drop to bring him in for June? Would he need to replicate 2020 form to be called in, or do you still bring him in if his numbers are down?

Would depend who is healthy and how many spots we have, but I wouldn't mind seeing him place of Corbeanu for one window.  It would depend on how the window is arranged as well - do we need the same group for Aruba as we do for Suriname?  If not, I would def give him minutes against Aruba to see how he fits in.  Heck, I would take in place of Cav for Aruba if Cav could still be added later.

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51 minutes ago, sebdeserio said:

Larin's best position isn't as a number 9, Cavallini's is but a hat trick against a national Sunday league team isn't much to write home about and if Vancouver can't get it together his play will suffer, David's best position isn't as a 9 but he's the second best 9 in the region, and Corbeanu isn't a 9 either.

He's our 3rd best 9 and another successful MLS campaign where he gets to double digits will probably put him on par with Cavallini, or close enough that him being 8 years younger makes him more important.

Agree with this but want to note we saw Ayo playing out wide for Toronto last year, in a role not too dissimilar to Larin at Besiktas.  

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Ayo can also provide at least serviceable depth as a winger. He can play anywhere up front. We all remember his first MLS goal cutting in from the left. Two of his more recent starts last fall for TFC were on the wing, one each at LW and RW. At the U17 World Cup a few years ago he was exclusively a winger because Josh Sargent was the US starting striker. Played a lot at winger for their youth teams.

For the US the winger group of Pulisic, Reyna, Weah, Aaronson seems difficult to break in to barring injury (though Pulisic is certainly injury-prone).

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1 hour ago, sebdeserio said:

Larin's best position isn't as a number 9, Cavallini's is but a hat trick against a national Sunday league team isn't much to write home about and if Vancouver can't get it together his play will suffer, David's best position isn't as a 9 but he's the second best 9 in the region, and Corbeanu isn't a 9 either.

He's our 3rd best 9 and another successful MLS campaign where he gets to double digits will probably put him on par with Cavallini, or close enough that him being 8 years younger makes him more important.

Bingo, you nailed it.

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1 hour ago, Obinna said:

Who would you drop to bring him in for June? Would he need to replicate 2020 form to be called in, or do you still bring him in if his numbers are down?

He's a Gold Cup pick. Not being ever in the national team set up, only viable match for Ayo is vs Aruba. 

He also hasn't played for a while and unknown when he'll play. If he isn't playing in May, then the Gold Cup is also off. If he plays but doesn't show any form, then it depends who else is on better form amongst the non WC qualifying strikers.

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49 minutes ago, trc2014 said:

I’m starting to feel he will sit out this whole cycle and focus on his club football and this will heat back up again in 2023.

Depends on the situation involved.  If we qualified for 2022 and called him up for the big show, I think he is in.  And that isn’t impossible depending on the kind of season he has this year.  The same would apply to the US, but I doubt he gets any time on their first team at this point.  

I doubt he commits to us just to play in the GC this summer.  For similar reasons, my idea of calling him up for the Aruba game is probably a pipe dream.  But you never know - maybe he is ready to make a decision.  And you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.  

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1 hour ago, trc2014 said:

I’m starting to feel he will sit out this whole cycle and focus on his club football and this will heat back up again in 2023.

Based on what? He’s been actively involved with NT football in his career so far. Really doubt he suddenly turns to a Hoilett, especially as he’s only playing MLS. I could see him waiting until the end of 2020 to decide but not an entire cycle.

The problem is that neither nation is going to be playing friendlies for the next little while. So he may be waiting for a January domestic camp if he’s not ready to be tied. 

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On 4/8/2021 at 8:58 AM, MtlMario said:

For me personally having us as a "fallback" doesn't cut it. If you only want to wear the Maple Leaf on your chest only when nobody else wants you (or it would be good for your club career) well then I don't want you either. There SHOULD be PRIDE and HONOR when playing for your country(especially if you lived here most of your life). Anyways that's how I feel.

 

On 4/8/2021 at 9:24 AM, MtlMario said:

I don't see why we have to shut the door on Victoria, Arfield etc. We are following FIFA rules and if it makes our team better why not. I would accept Messi and Ronaldo too if it was possible. This a CDN fan thread after all.

How are both of these comments from the same person less than a half hour apart? What am I missing? Vitoria and Arfield only wanted to wear the maple leaf when nobody else wanted them. Same with Hoilett as Nolando mentioned. Why would you want to shut the door on Akinola but not for the guys who preceded him? These other guys were a lot older when they eventually accepted the call up than Akinola would be at the 2022 World Cup.

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Hoilet was still wanted by Jamaica, and he was 25 when he committed to us, not quite as bad as the others mentioned.   I think one of the knocks on Ayo is the fact he is playing for a CDN team.  I can understand Hoilet/Deguz etc playing/living overseas and getting swept up and wanting to choose that country.  But Akinola is in TO, he still lives here and it seems like he cant decide.  For me thats a bit harder to swallow.  

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15 minutes ago, Kent said:

How are both of these comments from the same person less than a half hour apart? What am I missing? Vitoria and Arfield only wanted to wear the maple leaf when nobody else wanted them. Same with Hoilett as Nolando mentioned. Why would you want to shut the door on Akinola but not for the guys who preceded him? These other guys were a lot older when they eventually accepted the call up than Akinola would be at the 2022 World Cup.

Hoilett chose us when Jamaica wanted him and when he wasn't eligible for England. There was a point where he seemed to think he may be, but it wasn't the case. Jamaica was interested throughout, though. 

Arfield only wanted to wear the maple leaf when David Edgar put the idea in his mind while the two were playing together at Burnley. Somehow doesn't feel right to put him in this discussion. He wasn't born in Canada and never grew up here.

Vitoria may be fair to include here, but he wasn't attending a Portugal camp and then attending a Canadian camp and then sitting on the fence to see what situation best suits him. I am not sure that even matters, but that's a difference between him and Vitoria if I had to look for one. 

The closest comparison between Akinola is probably Akindele and Bunbury. One went with us, one didn't. Both are MLS players who grew up in Canada and attended USA camps to varying degrees.

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1 hour ago, Obinna said:

Vitoria may be fair to include here, but he wasn't attending a Portugal camp and then attending a Canadian camp and then sitting on the fence to see what situation best suits him. I am not sure that even matters, but that's a difference between him and Vitoria if I had to look for one. 

I'm not sure why the unbolded stuff in the middle would be relevant, but in terms of sitting on the fence.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2014-world-cup/csa-canada-soccer-steven-vitoria/

In that article you have Vitoria talking about keeping doors open and Steven Hart quoted as saying he called Vitoria up and he rejected Canada. That article is 3.5 years before he made his debut with Canada. I don't know if he was called more times or not in between those times.

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2 hours ago, Kent said:

 

How are both of these comments from the same person less than a half hour apart? What am I missing? Vitoria and Arfield only wanted to wear the maple leaf when nobody else wanted them. Same with Hoilett as Nolando mentioned. Why would you want to shut the door on Akinola but not for the guys who preceded him? These other guys were a lot older when they eventually accepted the call up than Akinola would be at the 2022 World Cup.

What if it was more than a half hour?😀

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48 minutes ago, Kent said:

I'm not sure why the unbolded stuff in the middle would be relevant, but in terms of sitting on the fence.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/2014-world-cup/csa-canada-soccer-steven-vitoria/

In that article you have Vitoria talking about keeping doors open and Steven Hart quoted as saying he called Vitoria up and he rejected Canada. That article is 3.5 years before he made his debut with Canada. I don't know if he was called more times or not in between those times.

Yeah, like I said.... I am not sure it matters. I was just describing the situation as I recalled it. 

Either way, point taken on Vitoria, I guess. Not sure I would compare the Hoilett situation to Akinola though, and I definitely wouldn't compare Arfield. 

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