Barthez-Battalion Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Canadian youth international is apparently signing with Manchester United from Real Salt Lake. He is about to receive American citizenship though. Left Canada at age 4. Personally? I don't see him representing Canada, although wouldn't be surprised to see Floro push hard for him to at least get provisionally cap tied. Article: http://owhentheyanks.com/2014/11/10/97-canadian-american-josh-doughty-joins-manchester-united/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Cool... good to see on a number of levels. MLS academies producing young players of a sought after by the biggest clubs, (1) seeing a return on investment and (2) raising their global profile. (3) Kid has a connection to Canada... although I get the sense from the article that he will be the "considering his options type", and it's a long shot he'll ever end up in red and white again. We can claim no part of his development though, and he legitimately has grown up in the States, so I wouldn't hold that against him. If he shows up for the States though I will of course boo him vigorously, as I would with any other USMNT player! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One American Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Always nice to see a Canadian sign with a midtable English side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Cool... good to see on a number of levels. MLS academies producing young players of a sought after by the biggest clubs, (1) seeing a return on investment and (2) raising their global profile. (3) Kid has a connection to Canada... although I get the sense from the article that he will be the "considering his options type", and it's a long shot he'll ever end up in red and white again. We can claim no part of his development though, and he legitimately has grown up in the States, so I wouldn't hold that against him. If he shows up for the States though I will of course boo him vigorously, as I would with any other USMNT player! But my problem is why he played for our youth teams when we could have selected someone else who's committed to Canada in the long term? Unlike Tesho, Doughty played and train with Canada youth teams in the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One American Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Wow, are you all already doing the post-mortem of him leaving the Canadian program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Ah, his parents are British, hence why he can sign in England before his 18th bday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Always nice to see a Canadian sign with a midtable English side. THIS! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Wow, are you all already doing the post-mortem of him leaving the Canadian program? ... yes... we're jaded ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingvikingstad Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Doughty continued over email, “I can play for Canada, England and hopefully will be eligible for the USA soon.” Having said that Josh has not yet chosen which country he will represent. “I am still undecided on which team I will play for at the moment.” Well that about says it all for us doesn't it? Playing for our youth setups because it's convenient and good experience, only to move on to greener pastures when the time is right. It's easy to read between the lines here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king1010 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Well that about says it all for us doesn't it? Playing for our youth setups because it's convenient and good experience, only to move on to greener pastures when the time is right. It's easy to read between the lines here. scum if true but the kid isn't even 18 yet. Lots can happen and he may not develop into anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPanic Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Does he make the team any better for WCQ 2018? Not likely. so let's wait and see. He's not making England or the US anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 If he ends up playing for the US or England, I would hold the fact that he used our youth system against him. If he was never committed to us, he shouldn't be anywhere near our youth teams. It's not only competitively useless for him to be using us, but the culture of 'I'll show up until a better country comes calling' is poison to our program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 um at that point the kid will be 21. That's older than Doneil Henry by 2 years. How many goals did Messi score by 21? What did Sid Crosby do by 21? Not that I'm comparing him to either player, just saying, this board really has a weird age cap for "development". Usually you can tell who is going to be a star by the time they are 21. There are plenty of late bloomers, I just find them to be the exception, not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingvikingstad Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 If he ends up playing for the US or England, I would hold the fact that he used our youth system against him. If he was never committed to us, he shouldn't be anywhere near our youth teams. It's not only competitively useless for him to be using us, but the culture of 'I'll show up until a better country comes calling' is poison to our program. I agree. Big difference in statement between: I can play for Canada and, I play for Canada! I think that if he wanted to stay with us he would've said the latter, considering he's recently played for us. Has a player good enough to play for England or the US ever rebuffed them to play for Canada when given the option? Maybe my memory isn't serving me here, but I think it's a no. Therefore it's best to stop players like this playing on our youth teams and gaining experience as it's never given back when the time comes. If he strikes out for the US/England and wants to play internationally, he's gonna come crawling back anyways. We have no incentive to use precious roster spots in youth teams on players that don't wanna play for us long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Has a player good enough to play for England or the US ever rebuffed them to play for Canada when given the option? Maybe my memory isn't serving me here, but I think it's a no. Therefore it's best to stop players like this playing on our youth teams and gaining experience as it's never given back when the time comes. If he strikes out for the US/England and wants to play internationally, he's gonna come crawling back anyways. We have no incentive to use precious roster spots in youth teams on players that don't wanna play for us long-term. Craig Forrest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Terry Dunfield. Don't laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Terry Dunfield. Don't laugh. Really?... I could see it at youth level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Dunfield played youth for England and then switch back to Canada when we qualified for the U20 world cup in Brazil. He played for us and we were terrible although that side produced some of our best players in the last generation. Then again, Paul James was the manager of that side and he was likely high on crack at the time so perhaps that had something to do with the results. Poor Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Josh loves the Canadian team and coaches, hopefully he becomes a better player by this move and repays the confidence shown in him. Difficult to wright off all the other options at this age given his circumstances, but he definitely has a big loyalty to the team and coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One American Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I would say your chances are higher at retaining him now than in previous years. That's a significant benefit to hiring a pedigreed coach and taking the program more seriously generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I would say your chances are higher at retaining him now than in previous years. That's a significant benefit to hiring a pedigreed coach and taking the program more seriously generally. agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingvikingstad Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Josh loves the Canadian team and coaches, hopefully he becomes a better player by this move and repays the confidence shown in him. Difficult to wright off all the other options at this age given his circumstances, but he definitely has a big loyalty to the team and coaches. I know you mean well and I'm sure you probably know him and/or are related to him based on what you wrote, but this is the hard part for me (and this is just my opinion)... I know it's naive to think that professional footballers now actually care about the country they represent, but if he feels Canadian inside then the circumstances are seemingly irrelevant to me. With what I bolded, you're effectively saying "if England or the US really want him as a starter and he has the chance at a WC then he'd have to go for it," but are expressing it in a way that makes it all look all fuzzy and rosy lol. It's this stuff in life that annoys me too. Just tell me cut and dry so that I can adjust despite not liking the answer, don't be a politician about it. Just say "Josh wants to play for who has the best chance at a World Cup because that's been his lifelong dream, or he wants to play for whichever country will give him the best exposure," I'd disagree with your conclusion but be able to respect the honesty and understand. We have one life to live, people do what they feel is right. I get it. Sorry, I don't mean to come down on you specifically but there's just too much of this that goes around the Canadian MNT with regards to any player that has a chance to be above-average. We almost have to hope the player regresses in order for them to think they're shite enough for the CMNT. I don't want to cheer against a player becoming special but that's what I find myself doing and it's sad (and I need to stop doing it because it's pathetic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigi riva Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Since he claims he likes the coaches here in Canada. I am not holding my breathe for this guy. If does well at Man U then he will probabley want to play with Either England or God Bless America. If he does not make the cut. and ends up playing in Sweden then he will play for Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 The U18's just tied France and Uruguay, we have to have faith in the future and in the boys and coaches who represent us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheatsheafSK Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Nice little article on the lad in the Globe and Mail: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/vancouver-born-teen-honing-his-game-with-manchester-united-under-21-team/article26265833/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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