Ansem Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 No american club will touch him, nor Toronto or Vancouver. He's easily replaceable. Uncle Ansemus always said: "If you don't have the talent to play in a world top league, know your role, shut your mouth and stay in line" I think he's a good player but he won't be worth the trouble, especially in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, Moldy9 said: If it was just the comment without the picture that's one thing but posing w guns and insinuating taking up arms is not the best thing to do, especially when mentioning a US President and especially in a liberal society like Qc where they are against guns. To add to your comment the Governor General David Johnston said on Sunday at Vimy France, (ironically Wandrille's country of birth) mentioning the twin spyers "Peace without Freedom is slavery." However with free speech comes the responsibility of being accountable for your comments. Yes it is very bad and dangerous to criticize the US President aka World Dictator/Head Mafioso. How many wars have they been in since the end of the Cold War? How many dead? But hey those damn Russian and Chinese are evil aggressors for being angry as we surround them with our missiles. And I would like to inform our Mr. Johnson that Canada has been a very obedient partner in crime in all these adventures. Even when we pretend to oppose them because the government thinks the public won't support things like the Iraq War we help them out with supply ships and weapons and UN support. Remember when we were bombing the shit out of Libya after violating the no fly zone resolution that we convinced Russia and China not to vote against and it came to a vote in parliament about extending the bombing mission and the vote was 273 to 1 in favour with even the "leftist" NDP and separatist Bloq voting for it? And then the single MP who voted against it, Elizabeth May, despite being proven right due to the destruction and mass deaths in Libya fawned over the perpetrator Obama when he visited parliament. This is democracy? You can spare me the sanctimonious bullshit about freedom and slavery and free speech. I always enjoy all that free speech I hear on CNN, Fox, MSNBC or closer to home on CBC and CTV. I disagree with Lefevre for singling out Trump, he is just behaving as pretty much every other president behaved especially the last two but maybe Lefevre was influenced by all that free speech he was hearing from the US media about how Trump was more terrible than the guy who launched the Iraq War (on the talk show circuit showing his paintings) or they guy launched the wars in Syria and Libya among others and droned lots of families. Who would have guessed that all Trump would have to do to win the approval of the Democrats was to bomb Syria while not carrying out any investigation into a chemical attack that has all the hallmarks of a false flag just like the ground for previous wars in the region were (Weapons of Mass Destruction, Incubator Babies). If Johnson really wanted to say something profound he should have made some criticism of Canada and the other victors of World War 1 and 2 not learning anything from these conflicts and continuing the same violent policies advocated by people like Hitler. Vive le democratie except when we are bombing the Middle East for oil, staging coup d'etats in Central and South America and fueling civil wars in Africa so we can mine their resources cheaply. Johnson's comments especially given the occasion and his position are far more offensive than this Lefevre tweet which was probably a joke anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, shermanator said: The Impact can just cut Lefevre for another young homegrown player that they won't play, perhaps Meilleur-Gigeure. Either that, or they can get a mediocre American backup CB that no one else wants. I imagine Christian Dean will be available. Lefevre does play. Getting a mediocre American backup CB is precisely what we should not do. If some academy guy comes in and plays better than him then I would be fine with him being cut but until that happens they should keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 If he wanted to show off that he went to a gun range or bought guns legally on Twitter I think he'd be fine. Same goes if he wants to make a political comment that isn't flat out bigoted. But the fact he's dumb enough to pair a picture of himself with guns with a joke about political violence in this climate, especially after the Quebec City shooting, is mind boggling. Did he study how to fuck your life up at Universite de Montreal or something? Like he's lucky the CPL seems to be coming for 2018 and will likely give him a job because he seems to dumb to get one otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Is it even a real gun? Looks a lot like a BB Gun to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, matty said: If he wanted to show off that he went to a gun range or bought guns legally on Twitter I think he'd be fine. Same goes if he wants to make a political comment that isn't flat out bigoted. But the fact he's dumb enough to pair a picture of himself with guns with a joke about political violence in this climate, especially after the Quebec City shooting, is mind boggling. Did he study how to fuck your life up at Universite de Montreal or something? Like he's lucky the CPL seems to be coming for 2018 and will likely give him a job because he seems to dumb to get one otherwise. Hey don't be hating on my university lol He's actually French who recently got his passport of I'm not mistaken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, Grizzly said: Lefevre does play. Getting a mediocre American backup CB is precisely what we should not do. If some academy guy comes in and plays better than him then I would be fine with him being cut but until that happens they should keep him. I was mocking the release of Tissot from last year, and how the Impact ended up replacing him with Daniel Lovitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, Ansem said: Hey don't be hating on my university lol He's actually French who recently got his passport of I'm not mistaken Speaking of him being French someone on Reddit mentioned something about him posting some racist shit during one of the recent French elections. Any truth to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, matty said: Speaking of him being French someone on Reddit mentioned something about him posting some racist shit during one of the recent French elections. Any truth to that? Hmm.... Can't say I'm aware. Any chance he jeopardized his spot with the national team? I have a feeling a bunch on dual citizens are about to knock on our doors... And we might see a spike of young players trying to go after our passport as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, matty said: Did he study how to fuck your life up at Universite de Montreal or something? It's a good thing my coffee was not at the desk, because it would have been sprayed all over my monitor. Too funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I am still catching up to the punchline of this "joke". Don't jokes have those? or am I just missing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, shermanator said: I was mocking the release of Tissot from last year, and how the Impact ended up replacing him with Daniel Lovitz. Ok. I didn't catch the sarcasm then. Not sure it is quite the accurate comparison. I would probably rate Tissot as a better player overall than Lovitz but the problem is that is at wing where he wasn't going to get much playing time. As a left back I would take Lovitz over Tissot from what I have seen so far. Also I think Tissot requested his release because he realized he wasn't going to get much playing time behind Piatti and that would hurt his career long term. I think Tissot believes himself to be capable of being more than a MLS backup but realizes he needs playing time. I am not sure Lefevre has or believes he has the ability to go a lot farther and seems to be ok with his depth player status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Obinna said: Yeah it is not very clear, is it? The ambiguity is also part of the problem. Not easy to draw the message. Since the club is claiming that the post is "an unacceptable social media post of concern to the club" I actually think the ambiguity/incomprehensible nature of the statement is a point in the post's favour in terms of whether the club would be correct to suspend/release the player. If it's not really clear what is meant in a statement or post, how can it be considered to be so offensive as to be "unacceptable"? Or "of concern to the club" given that the club is not referenced in any way (nor is he wearing an Impact jersey or anything in the picture). And then there's the huge great smilie which indicates that the whole thing is a joke and there's not clear reference to any particular social or ethnic group or community. That's what I'd be arguing if I was his lawyer. In any event, if the Impact want to weaken their club it doesn't really bother this TFC fan but given that Lefevre was called to Canada's most recent match and the next one is in Montreal, I hope Zambrano doesn't employ the same tactic as Montreal. Not over something like this - if he doesn't call him I hope its because he feels that he has better players who can play at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Moldy9 said: Anyways disappointed in Lefevre. Clearly he didn't think it was wrong to make a joke involving a US PRESIDENT when his job is to travel to the US almost every week!...Nor did he think of the sensitivity to what recently happened in Quebec City because what he said can be interpreted differently. Maybe even some subtext about Marine who may yet get elected in France. Anyways stupid thing to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Those of you who agree with the club on this, would you be ok with your employer reading, censoring and punishing you about your social media posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, Grizzly said: Those of you who agree with the club on this, would you be ok with your employer reading, censoring and punishing you about your social media posts? That's what a lot of employers look at before hiring you. Some kid was released from Real Madrid after they found out he tweeted "Fuck Real Madrid" on his twitter 2 or 3 years prior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Gian-Luca said: Since the club is claiming that the post is "an unacceptable social media post of concern to the club" I actually think the ambiguity/incomprehensible nature of the statement is a point in the post's favour in terms of whether the club would be correct to suspend/release the player. If it's not really clear what is meant in a statement or post, how can it be considered to be so offensive as to be "unacceptable"?.... It's a joke related to political violence. It would piss off people on all sides of the spectrum, especially in Quebec after a politically and racially motivated mass shooting. 1 hour ago, Gian-Luca said: ...Or "of concern to the club" given that the club is not referenced in any way (nor is he wearing an Impact jersey or anything in the picture). He is a representative of the club and shared it on a public forum. The Impact, as a private venture, are working to protect their brand. If they've overreach, MLS might aim to suspend him. 1 hour ago, Gian-Luca said: .....And then there's the huge great smilie which indicates that the whole thing is a joke and there's not clear reference to any particular social or ethnic group or community. That's what I'd be arguing if I was his lawyer. You're a bad lawyer. 36 minutes ago, Grizzly said: Those of you who agree with the club on this, would you be ok with your employer reading, censoring and punishing you about your social media posts? Most already do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moldy9 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 41 minutes ago, Grizzly said: Those of you who agree with the club on this, would you be ok with your employer reading, censoring and punishing you about your social media posts? Happens all the time in my line of work then again being a public servant you play w fire when you make discouraging remarks towards the government in charge on social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Just now, Grizzly said: Those of you who agree with the club on this, would you be ok with your employer reading, censoring and punishing you about your social media posts? His post was vague. That is both the blessing and the curse of it. It could be interpreted as a threat or just a political joke. If Wandrille spins this right, he will be fine - it all depends on what he says to the Impact and the public in the next 24 to 48hrs. Didn't actually threaten to kill the Donald thankfully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Olympique_de_Marseille said: His post was vague. That is both the blessing and the curse of it. It could be interpreted as a threat or just a political joke. If Wandrille spins this right, he will be fine - it all depends on what he says to the Impact and the public in the next 24 to 48hrs. Didn't actually threaten to kill the Donald thankfully! I don't think anyone actually views it as a threat but a really poor joke. He is likely facing a suspension or fine from the league for misconduct (assuming they have a conduct clause for players which is likely since every league seems to have one) and will need to apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moldy9 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Grizz, Chrétien said no to the Americans invasion of Iraq in 2003 (Bush's claim of WMD which as we all knew were false) unless it was backed by the UN. And helping the UN? I think you're referring to NATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, matty said: It's a joke related to political violence. It would piss off people on all sides of the spectrum, especially in Quebec after a politically and racially motivated mass shooting. He is a representative of the club and shared it on a public forum. The Impact, as a private venture, are working to protect their brand. If they've overreach, MLS might aim to suspend him. You're a bad lawyer. The lawyers for MLS players union seemingly wouldn't agree with your expert analysis but thank you for the unnecessary and unjustified personal insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Just now, Gian-Luca said: The lawyers for MLS players union seemingly wouldn't agree with your expert analysis but thank you for the unnecessary and unjustified personal insult. That's related to WHO can suspend him not whether a suspension is justified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmfranck Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 First of all, it's an air gun. He was in an amusement center or something like that. He said the Trump comment tongue in cheek, and it basically means that with the recent social climate since Trump got elected, you're better off safe than sorry. All of you guys calling him a moron... he has a degree in professional accounting from HEC. Doing something thoughtless doesn't make you a 'moron'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.