Kent Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 6 hours ago, Ansem said: I'm still amazed at people who can't see that the USSF have no interest in seeing Canada rise to potentially challenge them for the limited spots to the World Cup. It's not a coincidence there are no such discrimination in USL and NASL, it's by design. Make no mistake about it, MLS aren't please with CPL and to some extend, neither is the USSF who were quite content with the status quo Agree with your point, but NASL has the same domestics rule as MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 On 11/24/2016 at 2:00 PM, Ansem said: I'm still amazed at people who can't see that the USSF have no interest in seeing Canada rise to potentially challenge them for the limited spots to the World Cup. It's not a coincidence there are no such discrimination in USL and NASL, it's by design. Make no mistake about it, MLS aren't please with CPL and to some extend, neither is the USSF who were quite content with the status quo Considering that FIFA looks to expand number of nations playing in the Finals, it doesn't feel like US is going to lose out on making the Finals as a top 3 or 4 in CONCACAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 On 11/24/2016 at 2:00 PM, Ansem said: I'm still amazed at people who can't see that the USSF have no interest in seeing Canada rise to potentially challenge them for the limited spots to the World Cup. It's not a coincidence there are no such discrimination in USL and NASL, it's by design. Make no mistake about it, MLS aren't please with CPL and to some extend, neither is the USSF who were quite content with the status quo Considering that FIFA looks to expand number of nations playing in the Finals, it doesn't feel like US is going to lose out on making the Finals as a top 3 or 4 in CONCACAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmz Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 On 11/24/2016 at 0:42 PM, Levi Oakey said: Really Welshman? This is such a stretch, and actually an example of how hard it is for someone to move up! He is an RSL player but he never, ever saw the field for RSL. After pre-season he was immediately sent back to the Monarchs. T he problem for Canadians is we aren't very sexy. For Real Salt Lake they can play a homegrown American lad (Sandoval or Velazco) or they can play their other international from Colombia (Olmes Garcia) or Ecudaor (Joao Plata). The idea that a Canadian, who doesn't even play for his home national team, could be better than these guys (even if he actually is) would not be anyone's first assumption. A coach that chooses Welshman is taking a huge risk, and for Welshman, a couple of mistakes and everyone will be calling for his head. The kid needed 2 hip surgeries, fair to say that wasnt in his control. http://www.rslsoapbox.com/2016/11/17/13615354/player-profiles-emery-welshman You are right about the Canadians aren't very sexy comment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levi Oakey Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 8 hours ago, Carmz said: The kid needed 2 hip surgeries, fair to say that wasnt in his control. http://www.rslsoapbox.com/2016/11/17/13615354/player-profiles-emery-welshman True. It will be interesting to see what happens. He scored 6 goals in 19 appearances for the Monarchs in 2015. My understanding is that before the injuries they had already chosen to loan him back to the Monarchs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hammer- Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 On 24/02/2016 at 9:00 PM, baulderdash77 said: It's just MLS lip service. Canada has been a good place for them. 3 of their best clubs are from Canada and there will be real competitive pressure for media eyes and more importantly sponsorship dollars after the CanPL starts up. So far they've had a monopoly and they've treated us shabbily in the process as far as developing our program. Now they have to react to the coming competition. This is pretty much my summary of the situation, MLS-USL has already proven that unless the CSA or FIFA forces their hand, Canadian spots or requirements are not a priority. I'll believe this change when I see it, and I have little doubt if something like this does come down the pipe, they will seek to pay the bare minimum amount of lip service needed to appease the CSA and not alienate the USSF.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pint Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 5pm press conference to announce a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Looks like Garber and Montagliani are holding a joint press conference at 5 pm (Eastern??). Steven Sandor believes this will be to discuss changes to MLS roster rules. Not explicitly stated but I would imagine changes to how Canadians are treated in the league. Either that, or Montagliani will just announce "Canadians will continue to be considered internationals in the United States, and Americans will continue to be considered domestic in Canada". Then he will rip off his suit to reveal a stars-and-stripes suit, and will powerbomb Jonathan Osorio through a table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 More from John Molinaro. Looks like the press conference will be about Canadians in MLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hammer- Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 hours ago, shermanator said: Looks like Garber and Montagliani are holding a joint press conference at 5 pm (Eastern??). Steven Sandor believes this will be to discuss changes to MLS roster rules. Not explicitly stated but I would imagine changes to how Canadians are treated in the league. Either that, or Montagliani will just announce "Canadians will continue to be considered internationals in the United States, and Americans will continue to be considered domestic in Canada". Then he will rip off his suit to reveal a stars-and-stripes suit, and will powerbomb Jonathan Osorio through a table. I'm going to go out on a limb whilst taking a shot in the dark and guess slow phased approach that Canadian teams must slowly convert their US Domestic slots to Canadians. Has the two fold benefit of weakening the Canadian franchises who will have Canadians who can't be domestics down south in MLS under the guise of supporting and expanding Canadian development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Seriously doubt Victor Montagliani would be appearing with Don Garber for that given the CSA's beef is about the way Canadians are treated on teams based in the United States. Think it will be the home grown players get to be domestic approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheo Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, -Hammer- said: I'm going to go out on a limb whilst taking a shot in the dark and guess slow phased approach that Canadian teams must slowly convert their US Domestic slots to Canadians. Has the two fold benefit of weakening the Canadian franchises who will have Canadians who can't be domestics down south in MLS under the guise of supporting and expanding Canadian development. I can't see that. No way MLSE and the other owners would let that happen. CSA will want to play nice with MLS and the Canadian clubs. CSA have too much to gain working together in the future with the CPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hammer- Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I just find a hard time finding middle ground on the domestic issue, I think if they open it wide open after pleading that labor laws have been the reason why they haven't, it's going to leave them with egg on their face, as it would have basically been a sham the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 1 minute ago, -Hammer- said: I just find a hard time finding middle ground on the domestic issue, I think if they open it wide open after pleading that labor laws have been the reason why they haven't, it's going to leave them with egg on their face, as it would have basically been a sham the whole time. there's all sorts of BS ways to come out looking okay. Also, this corner of the internet has a hyper focus on these sorts of rules whereas to the average fan they'll be like "YA, CANADA IS GETTING BETTER AT SOCCER!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Looks like it's homegrown players are domestic league wide now. From the announcement itself (which is here) http://www.canadasoccer.com/mls-announces-collaboration-with-canada-soccer-on-youth-development-initiatives-p160185 MLS, Canada Soccer and U.S. Soccer have agreed that in addition to the existing parameters determining a player’s international status on MLS rosters, any player who meets the requirements to qualify as a Homegrown Player as a member of an MLS club academy or has met similar requirements as a member of a Canadian Approved Youth Club, will count as a domestic player (i.e., he will not occupy an international spot) provided that: The player became a member of a MLS club academy, either in the U.S. or Canada, or a Canadian Approved Youth Club in the year prior to the year in which he turns 16; AND The player signs his first professional contract with MLS or an MLS club’s USL affiliate. MLS will work in coordination with Canada Soccer to identify qualifying Canadian Approved Youth Clubs that meet specific standards in relation to competition, environment, and coaching. These Canadian Approved Youth Clubs may or may not be affiliated with an MLS club. MLS will make available a complete list of qualifying Canadian Approved Youth Clubs at a later date. The updated parameters will go into effect in 2017. Current and future MLS players will be affected in that: Any current MLS player who was a member of an MLS club academy in, either in the U.S. or Canada, in the year prior to the year in which they turned 16 will be considered a domestic player on MLS rosters in both the U.S. and Canada beginning in 2017. CLICK HERE for a complete list of current MLS players for whom this rule applies. Any amateur player who was a member of an MLS club academy, either in the U.S. or Canada, or a Canadian Approved Youth Club in the year prior to the year in which he turned 16, will be considered a domestic player upon signing his first professional contract with an MLS club or an MLS club’s USL affiliate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion26 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Well that's a start maybe season after they can make all Canadians domestic league wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 I don't think this solution means much in 2017, but it's a step in the right direction over the long term. Looking at the Canadian homegrown players today most will now be domestic while others will not: TFC - Morgan (international), Babouli (international), Chapman (domestic - I think), Mannella (domestic), Hamilton (domestic), Roberts (domestic) IMFC - Lefevre (international), Choiniere (international), Jackson-Hamel (international), Gagnon-Lapare (domestic), Crepeau (domestic), Beland-Goyete (domestic), Tabla (domestic) VWFC - Carducci (domestic), McKendry (domestic), Teibert (domestic), Bustos (domestic), Froese (domestic), Davies (domestic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boominbooty Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Here's the list of current players the MLS links to for whom this qualifies: http://pressbox.mlssoccer.com/sites/default/files/MLS - Canada Homegrown Grandfathered Players_0.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 It's a good gesture. Hoping for more in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Not sure why they felt the need to cap the current MLS players at 16. There are what, three or four players who get excluded by arbitrarily making that the cut off age? Why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Well, that's a much smaller list of eligible players than what I thought. Basically, this means fuck all for 2017 outside of giving Teibert more opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hammer- Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 To me, it looks like a move to try to monopolize the talent stream and get players into the USL over the CPL. Basically, "If you don't walk the MLS career path, you're never going to have the benefit of being a domestic in our league" which I'm surprised the CSA agreed to the "First professional contract" rule given they are trying to start up the CPL. Then again, they might be thinking this will limit poaching of CPL players, as a player coming out of a Academy is bid on between a CPL or USL teams (though all it's merits and flaws) and if he chooses the CPL (which may pay more then a USL team) and does well, he's still not as an attractive pickup by MLS and is more likely to say in the CPL. I think it's also very clear, the US labor law was a sham the whole time. This does offer a tangible benefit to Canadian development, provided these "select youth clubs" aren't just a handful of MLS affiliated academies that are looking for academy profit before actual development. It's no required playing time though, which is still what needs to happen, but I suppose it is better then nothing. I think it's a fair compromise for now, but we'll have to see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hammer- Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, shermanator said: Well, that's a much smaller list of eligible players than what I thought. Basically, this means fuck all for 2017 outside of giving Teibert more opportunities Yeah, and making Hamilton a better candidate to get thrown in on a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gopherbashi Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, -Hammer- said: To me, it looks like a move to try to monopolize the talent stream and get players into the USL over the CPL. Basically, "If you don't walk the MLS career path, you're never going to have the benefit of being a domestic in our league" which I'm surprised the CSA agreed to the "First professional contract" rule given they are trying to start up the CPL. Then again, they might be thinking this will limit poaching of CPL players, as a player coming out of a Academy is bid on between a CPL or USL teams (though all it's merits and flaws) and if he chooses the CPL (which may pay more then a USL team) and does well, he's still not as an attractive pickup by MLS and is more likely to say in the CPL. I think it's also very clear, the US labor law was a sham the whole time. This does offer an tangible benefit to Canadian development, provided these "select youth clubs" aren't just a handful of MLS affiliated academies that are looking for academy profit before actual development. It's no required playing time though, which is still what needs to happen, but I suppose it is better then nothing. I think it's a fair compromise for now, but we'll have to see how it plays out. This is the aspect that worries me as well; it could prevent young talent from wanting to sign up with the CPL if they're got dreams of going higher to MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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