Gordon Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Toronto fans took a lot of stick - and Vancouverites certainly piled on - for a lot of years after TFC came on board. And they sought out the same post hoc ergo prompter hoc arguments, took refuge in youth & B squad caps as evidence of contribution, bigged up MLS with ridiculous and fallaciously based 'economic arguments, spoke of the "beasts" on their team keeping Canadians off the roster, that the 'few' Canadians who were good enough were prohibitive in cost, that contact was made and they were rebuffed and earnestly promised future benefits that would be realized. Their equivalent of the "cap's hate canada' rallying call was 'everyone hates Toronto. But as 2010 turned into it was always about 2014 and especially 2018' which has turned into 'it is about 2018 and especially 2022' and I've even seen a wag or two suggesting 2026 at least some of those fans have realized they sold themselves a bill of goods. jpg75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 I would love to see these threads where TFC fans excused their clubs behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted July 26, 2014 Share Posted July 26, 2014 Saarbrucken is interested in Occéan http://www.der-betze-brennt.de/aktuell/transfergeruechte/1222-olivier-occan.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Could it be that Osorio is a one off, a diamond in the rough, a needle in the haystack, rather than the conspiracy against Canadians? Clearly, it's psychologically more comfortable for some people to believe in a conspiracy rather than accept the disappointing reality of the paucity of Canada's player development relative to the United States over the last two decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradMack Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Saarbrucken is interested in Occéan http://www.der-betze-brennt.de/aktuell/transfergeruechte/1222-olivier-occan.php Occean shot that transfer down on twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 To be fair, those aren't the only Canadians who were given a chance. They (and Osorio) were just the ones that took full advantage of the opportunity. Tyler Rosenlund Tyler Hemming Miguel Canizalez Nana Attakora* Nicholas Lindsay Gabe Gala Joey Melo Andrea Lombardo Keith Makubuya Matt Stinson Emery Welshman Gianluca Zavarise And that's just the young guys! TFC wanted all of those guys to succeed and would have trumpeted their success if they'd made it. They'd still be playing in MLS if they could have reached the standard of the "American journeymen" so derided here. But clearly, what's stopping Canada from going to the World Cup is that Aron Winter isn't trotting out Ashtone Morgan and Oscar Cordon anymore. The problems with player development in Canada start well below the three MLS clubs. Lack of professional opportunities contributes, but only insofar as the lack of a robust ecology of clubs at different levels diminishes the odds of "happy accidents" like Osorio. *Still hanging in there, but not actually playing in MLS currently. BearcatSA and Areathrasher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 (edited) Toronto fans took a lot of stick - and Vancouverites certainly piled on - for a lot of years after TFC came on board. And they sought out the same post hoc ergo prompter hoc arguments, took refuge in youth & B squad caps as evidence of contribution, bigged up MLS with ridiculous and fallaciously based 'economic arguments, spoke of the "beasts" on their team keeping Canadians off the roster, that the 'few' Canadians who were good enough were prohibitive in cost, that contact was made and they were rebuffed and earnestly promised future benefits that would be realized. Their equivalent of the "cap's hate canada' rallying call was 'everyone hates Toronto. But as 2010 turned into it was always about 2014 and especially 2018' which has turned into 'it is about 2018 and especially 2022' and I've even seen a wag or two suggesting 2026 at least some of those fans have realized they sold themselves a bill of goods. Thanks for posting this. That was a really bad era on this forum. The Whitecaps fans today are being treated with kids gloves in comparison. It was pretty instrumental in a lot of long time Toronto-based Voyageur posters simply giving up on this place. And it still hasn't recovered. There is way less discussion on this forum than there used to be (sure the state of the national team is partly to blame as well). Its a real shame. Edited July 27, 2014 by narduch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Edit: Forgot about Clarke! He is my number 5. Actually i'd put him at number 4 and slot Boakai down. I really liked him at the youth level games I watched (U-20?) and you can't ignore his strike rate with Augsburg reserves (1 per 3 games or something?). I agree that Clarke is definitely as solid a prospect as we have, and proven his ability to score against men. The only problem is his injury record. I don't knew too much about it, but have heard he's had a number of injuries. Tough to say if or how much that will limit his potential. If someone knows more about what injuries he's had, and if that's been an issue for him in Germany, please post and fill us in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Just look how fast those names fell off the radar....wow. Agreed! Remember a lot of those names, but Ouimette, Teibert, and now apparently Akindele are the only ones on that list with Sr. pro-contracts in legitimate leagues. ... IMO Impact should sign Piette as eventual PB replacement. Edited July 28, 2014 by A_Gagne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 I suppose 22 is not really a prospect but Tissot has been impressing at LM. Scored a goal today and a pretty good one too Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 Tyler Rosenlund Tyler Hemming Miguel Canizalez Nana Attakora* Nicholas Lindsay Gabe Gala Joey Melo Andrea Lombardo Keith Makubuya Matt Stinson Emery Welshman Gianluca Zavarise And that's just the young guys! TFC wanted all of those guys to succeed and would have trumpeted their success if they'd made it. They'd still be playing in MLS if they could have reached the standard of the "American journeymen" so derided here. But clearly, what's stopping Canada from going to the World Cup is that Aron Winter isn't trotting out Ashtone Morgan and Oscar Cordon anymore. The problems with player development in Canada start well below the three MLS clubs. Lack of professional opportunities contributes, but only insofar as the lack of a robust ecology of clubs at different levels diminishes the odds of "happy accidents" like Osorio. *Still hanging in there, but not actually playing in MLS currently. I'm confused as to what you are trying to say here. Are you trying to tell me that a 19 year-old Keith Makubuya and his grand total of 55 minutes on the pitch was given a chance by TFC and he blew it? I'm genuinely confused as to what this list is supposed to tell me. I could also rattle off scores more of non-Canadians who played significant minutes for TFC who also similarly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 Well I asked this about a year ago. What say you now?Let's keep it u231) Larin2) Boakai3) Henry4) Petrasso5) Piette Aleman, Carreiro, Froese all getting some first team minutes. James as well. I know.. Piette has played lots of national team games, but I'd rank this on potential, or greatest upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) My top 5 would be the following: 1. Larin2. Henry3) Teibert (he is still U-23 after all)4) Piette5) Petrasso Honorable mention: Carreiro, BustosThe "I am disappoint" award: Hamilton, Boakai Edited September 27, 2015 by shermanator Soccerpro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) 1. Larin 2. Henry 3. Petrasso 4. Teibert 5. Osorio Honourable mention: Bustos, Gasparotto Boakai should be on this list but he needs to start showing more. Great talent though i don't really get the Piette hype. I don't rate him that much at all. I think he could be "ok" but I don't see a high end talent Edited September 27, 2015 by Floortom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 1. Larin 2. Henry 3. Piette 4. Petrasso 5. Froese I think after the first 4 there is a significant drop off (until someone truly steps up), I gave Froese 5th based on his age and upside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deschamp86 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 1. Larin 2. Henry 3. Froese 4. Adekugbe 5. Aleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffian Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 1. Larin 2. Henry 3. Piette 4. Petrasso 5. Osorio The "I am disappoint" award: Hamilton, Boakai These two have fallen off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc88 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Hmm I think I'm going to use the criteria of who is closest to playing at the highest level ... 1. Petrasso 2. Piette 3. Larin 4. Henry 5. I'm kinda thinking Stanese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 1. Larin 2. Cavallini 3. Henry 4. Piette 5. Aleman Considerations are based on current/recent form, professional achievements thus far, current club level, potential upside and importance based on which positions our national team needs help in. jpg75 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) I think Larin is a can't miss solid pro. Petrasso and Boakai should get there if they work hard and have good attitudes. Wow, 3 attacking players, is this Canada? A year and a half later and I just need Boakai to have a breakout year when he transfers to TFC this summer for the triple play! He's only 19 and did great at Pan Ams this summer. I have lots of faith. I think Marco Bustos is a can't miss solid pro now too. Edited December 3, 2015 by Soccerpro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Only two months later and I want to revise my list... Keeping it U-23 this time 1. Larin 2. Henry 3. Petrasso 4. Piette 5. Aleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Only two months later and I want to revise my list... Keeping it U-23 this time 1. Larin 2. Henry 3. Petrasso 4. Piette 5. Aleman 2 months later! SMH! Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Suppose I'll give this a go. Considering where they are playing and my perceived trajectory of their potential growth as players, this is how I see our top 5 senior Nats prospects" 1. Henry - hopefully getting consistent minutes in jolly ol' England now 2. Petrasso - same thing as Henry 3. Larin - hopefully maintains his spot in Orlando's starting XI, but I am skeptical of this 4. Teibert - would be great if he could maintain his spot in the Whitecaps' starting XI next season 5. Piette - I believe he's getting consistent minutes with a club in Spain, can't keep track of all this stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pint Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I would have a similar list to Tuscan but I would probably put Osorio as my #4 1. Henry - IMO has the highest celing of any player currently in our pool 2. Petresso - getting min in the championship and looks like the most dangerous guy on the pitch on every youth national team 3. Larin - Rookie goal scoring record and physically can be dominant 4. Osorio - number are not where they need to be but the growth in his game this past year was tremendous. Consistent starter and a core piece moving forward at club level. Will be back with the nats at some point, just turned 23 this year. 5. Piette/Tiebert - Piette is better now but i see a higher celing for Tiebert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coramoor Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 5. Piette/Tiebert - Piette is better now but i see a higher celing for Tiebert. Honestly I think it's the other way around by a large margin, Piette has top league potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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