nolbertos Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 17 minutes ago, Yoginess said: It's too bad because Froese and Bustos were both the ones to watch for many years and it looks like both might be gone. Though in terms of development, graduating a player that can play professionally (even if it's at a lower level that the first team MLS squad) is still a success. Froese I believe is gone from the caps. The German 4th div team paid development rights to the Caps as a transfer fee. Don't think it was just a loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Whitecaps seem to be getting quite the rep where prospects have to leave in order to advance as a professional. Teibert has plateaued massively after being converted to a DM. Adekugbe has made it clear he wants to move to England. Froese wanted out and transferred, where he's rejuvenated himself at Dusseldorf. Bustos seems to be frozen out. Carducci asked to leave in an effort to get playing time. Zanatta has publicly stated he had to move to Europe to advance as a pro, etc. Davies is really the only one who seems to be counted on by Robinson. Hopefully some of the more promising players with WFC 2 (Chung, Amanda, Baldisimo, Gardner, Norman) can break through that glass ceiling. ThiKu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 1 hour ago, shermanator said: Hopefully some of the more promising players with WFC 2 (Chung, Amanda, Baldisimo, Gardner, Norman) can break through that grass ceiling. FYP with a cheesy joke. Alex D and nolando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northvansteve Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 4 hours ago, shermanator said: Whitecaps seem to be getting quite the rep where prospects have to leave in order to advance as a professional. Teibert has plateaued massively after being converted to a DM. Adekugbe has made it clear he wants to move to England. Froese wanted out and transferred, where he's rejuvenated himself at Dusseldorf. Bustos seems to be frozen out. Carducci asked to leave in an effort to get playing time. Zanatta has publicly stated he had to move to Europe to advance as a pro, etc. Davies is really the only one who seems to be counted on by Robinson. Hopefully some of the more promising players with WFC 2 (Chung, Amanda, Baldisimo, Gardner, Norman) can break through that glass ceiling. What's surprising about this is that the Whitecaps have long touted their goal of becoming one of the top clubs to develop players. Their failure isn't limited to Canadians either: Manneh, Salgado, Flores. The Whitecaps are becoming a prospect wasteland. ThiKu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Well I wouldn't go that far. It depends where the players go after leaving. I think the development of a lot of these players, and there is an increasing amount, is decent until they reach the first team. The system should however be there to benefit the club. Seeing as the players coming through either aren't good enough or are being held back from commanding a 1st team spot the system is broken. The second team should be helping in this regard it is still not a high enough level to match players ambitions and needs. The CPL will be potentially huge in this regard if there are to be working relationships with the mls teams. It's always fun to beat on the whitecaps but I wouldn't say they are any worse than most other mls club's for youth development. In the end the whitecaps are mainly beating on themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamrock Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Well, it still has to do with choices though. TFC and Montreal Impact fill up the lower end of the roster with homegrown players (as they should), Whitecaps choose American / South American and even New Zealand talent for those spots. ThiKu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 12 hours ago, toontownman said: Well I wouldn't go that far. It depends where the players go after leaving. I think the development of a lot of these players, and there is an increasing amount, is decent until they reach the first team. The system should however be there to benefit the club. Seeing as the players coming through either aren't good enough or are being held back from commanding a 1st team spot the system is broken. The second team should be helping in this regard it is still not a high enough level to match players ambitions and needs. The CPL will be potentially huge in this regard if there are to be working relationships with the mls teams. It's always fun to beat on the whitecaps but I wouldn't say they are any worse than most other mls club's for youth development. In the end the whitecaps are mainly beating on themselves. CPL will be about the same level as USL for at least a few years, if not more. NASL will be roughly the CPL peak unless they get some major sugar daddies in that league. Whitecaps youth development seems to have prepared the kids nicely for USL. USL has only been around 2 seasons, I think the real test of the USL programs effectiveness will be after 4-5 yrs. But, I agree with the sentiment - historically the Whitecaps development system/academy is a failure. toontownman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Released by the Whitecaps. Could probably catch on with a standalone USL team if he stays healthy. Dub Narcotic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badname22 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I remember that he was linked to a team in Chile last summer, wonder if that's still an option yothat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Narcotic Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Still being linked to Universidad on Twitter. yothat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Would love to see him in Chile. Do not think he is a fit for MLS. Could see him do well at a Saprissa or similar team jn central america. Has done enough in USL to move on, but the jump to MLS is perhaps to high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, Obinna said: Has done enough in USL to move on, but the jump to MLS is perhaps to high. I don't think the level is too high, i think MLS is just not a good fit. Bustos is too small/weak and slow to be effective in this league, but he has more than enough skill. He'll probably land in Chile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Like Tiebert another great release. He will only do better provided he lands at a club that has faith enough in him to give him some minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 hours ago, jpg75 said: I don't think the level is too high, i think MLS is just not a good fit. Bustos is too small/weak and slow to be effective in this league, but he has more than enough skill. He'll probably land in Chile. I think you agree - doesn't too small, weak and slow essentially mean the level is too high. Obinna and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 You can't be weak, small and slow and still be a useful pro. 2 out of 3 max, but not all 3. Maradona for example was small and slow(ish), but he was strong as F on the ball. I dont think Bustos is all that slow. He has average speed. He could make it MLS if he had a coach who believed in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 12 hours ago, BCM1555362349 said: I think you agree - doesn't too small, weak and slow essentially mean the level is too high. No, i don't. It's an issue of playing style/player profile. Look at the first wave of Costa Ricans who came over and weren't very successful. Or Sergio Galvan Rey, leading scorer in Colombia who couldn't replicate his scoring rate in MLS. Some of the SA's couldn't adapt to the EPL in the early days due to the hectic, chicken-with-its-head-cut-off style yet were successful in Spain or Italy. I think if Bustos goes to Chile his lack of size and physicality would not be a hindrance. He'd fit in with his ball skills and trickery. Not sure he'd break into the U. de Chile first team right away, but a loan to a smaller club would work. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 19 minutes ago, BrennanFan said: You can't be weak, small and slow and still be a useful pro. 2 out of 3 max, but not all 3. Maradona for example was small and slow(ish), but he was strong as F on the ball. I dont think Bustos is all that slow. He has average speed. He could make it MLS if he had a coach who believed in him. No he's not slow, but he's at most average speed in MLS and being 5'6" 130lbs. means he's going to lose most 50/50 balls. If he had got traded to FC Dallas (could still sign there i guess) he might stand, but they're typically loaded with talent in MF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycoyster Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, jpg75 said: No he's not slow, but he's at most average speed in MLS and being 5'6" 130lbs. means he's going to lose most 50/50 balls. If he had got traded to FC Dallas (could still sign there i guess) he might stand, but they're typically loaded with talent in MF. For an attacking player, he'd be bottom 25% in MLS in terms of pace. I get where you are going with the Mauro Diaz comparison, but Bustos has never showed that level of passing ability or vision. His ideal scenario is playing below a striker on a team that really values quick passing and possession, but the teams that play that way in MLS usually have a star in that role (Almiron, Dos Santos, etc.) Edited November 28, 2017 by harrycoyster BCM, The Beaver and nolando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 8 hours ago, jpg75 said: No, i don't. It's an issue of playing style/player profile. Look at the first wave of Costa Ricans who came over and weren't very successful. Or Sergio Galvan Rey, leading scorer in Colombia who couldn't replicate his scoring rate in MLS. Some of the SA's couldn't adapt to the EPL in the early days due to the hectic, chicken-with-its-head-cut-off style yet were successful in Spain or Italy. I think if Bustos goes to Chile his lack of size and physicality would not be a hindrance. He'd fit in with his ball skills and trickery. Not sure he'd break into the U. de Chile first team right away, but a loan to a smaller club would work. 7 hours ago, harrycoyster said: For an attacking player, he'd be bottom 25% in MLS in terms of pace. I get where you are going with the Mauro Diaz comparison, but Bustos has never showed that level of passing ability or vision. His ideal scenario is playing below a striker on a team that really values quick passing and possession, but the teams that play that way in MLS usually have a star in that role (Almiron, Dos Santos, etc.) I agree with @harrycoyster. I see what you're saying though @jpg75 about succeeding in another league, and agree. But he has to demonstrate the technical ability an vision, on a consistent basis, to be successful in any decent division. He has not to this point, but I hope he can. nolando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 gross under appreciation / knowledge of Chilean football. he hasn’t proven anything to date. He should get an opportunity to play somewhere decent but will need to show well early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badname22 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On his latest 2 instagram stories he hints at leaving, Story 1: a clip of him on the field for WFC2 doing a skill with the caption "Ciao" Story 2: a picture of him with a unidentifiable plane ticket and his passport. He also tagged his Agent. Dub Narcotic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReedOnTheGrand Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, badname22 said: On his latest 2 instagram stories he hints at leaving, Story 1: a clip of him on the field for WFC2 doing a skill with the caption "Ciao" Story 2: a picture of him with a unidentifiable plane ticket and his passport. He also tagged his Agent. Guy was too good for USL from what i saw, I'm sure he'll find a decent club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikerack Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 hour ago, badname22 said: On his latest 2 instagram stories he hints at leaving, Story 1: a clip of him on the field for WFC2 doing a skill with the caption "Ciao" Story 2: a picture of him with a unidentifiable plane ticket and his passport. He also tagged his Agent. He's going to Chicago (airline number is visable) but who knows where he going from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 49 minutes ago, Bikerack said: On his latest 2 instagram stories he hints at leaving, Story 1: a clip of him on the field for WFC2 doing a skill with the caption "Ciao" Story 2: a picture of him with a unidentifiable plane ticket and his passport. He also tagged his Agent. Just checked his instagram profile now at marcobustos10, but don't see any posting to the stories described here.. Maybe he deleted them or is in another personal account he has (off football/soccer perhaps)?... Just curious, reason for quoting it P.S: He seems to have a nice gf, though, lol (pic where he is standing with a chick in a shoreline with he and her with black gym suits) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badname22 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, CNMNTPERUELIGIBLE said: Just checked his instagram profile now at marcobustos10, but don't see any posting to the stories described here.. Maybe he deleted them or is in another personal account he has (off football/soccer perhaps)?... Just curious, reason for quoting it P.S: He seems to have a nice gf, though, lol (pic where he is standing with a chick in a shoreline with he and her with black gym suits) It was on that account, he must've deleted it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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