Vic Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Swedish newspaper reports monthly club salaries of Tyresö players: Marta da Silva 168 000 SEK/month (€18 989 EUR, $26,298 USD) Verónica Boquete 165 550 SEK/month (€18 711 EUR, $25,914 USD) Caroline Seger 70 000 SEK/month (€7912 EUR, $10,957 USD) Fabiana da Silva Simões 69 970 SEK/month (€7909 EUR, $10,953 USD) Lisa Dahlkvist 39 000 SEK/month (€4408 EUR, $6,105 USD) Rilany Aguiar da Silva 37 170 SEK/month (€4201 EUR, $5,818 USD) Tinja-Riikka Korpela 33 000 SEK/month (€3731 EUR, $5,203 USD) Thaisa de Moraes Rosa Moreno 32 687 SEK/month (€3695 EUR, $5,117 USD) Christen Press 32 247 SEK/month (€3645 EUR, $5,048 USD) Mayara de Fonseca Bordin 30 980 SEK/month (€3502 EUR, $4,849 USD) Linda Sembrant 30 000 SEK/month (€3392 EUR, $4,730 USD) Madelaine Edlund 30 000 SEK/month (€3392 EUR, $4,730 USD) Line Röddik Hansen 25 000 SEK/month (€2827 EUR, $3,942 USD) Carola Söberg 23 000 SEK/month (€2601 EUR, $3,627 USD) Whitney Engen 20 000 SEK/month (€2261 EUR, $3,153 USD) Malin Diaz 15 000 SEK/month (€1696 EUR, $2,365 USD) Meghan Klingenberg 15 000 SEK/month (€1696 EUR, $2,365 USD) Johanna Rytting Kaneryd 10 000 SEK/month (€1131 EUR, $1,577 USD) This is one Damallsvenskan club team. Sweden = 9.5 million people, northern climate. To convert to Canadian, multiply by 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Sweden = 9.5 million people, northern climate. Also has a land mass of 449,964 square km with a population density of 21/km2 To convert to Canadian, multiply the land mass by 22.2 and multiply the population density by 0.162 ...factoring those numbers in, setting up any kind of national league in which clubs can turn a profit and pay out a good wage is pretty much incomparable in terms of difficulty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 17, 2014 Author Share Posted March 17, 2014 The Quebec City/Windsor corridor is smaller than Sweden, and twice the population. But no, we could never accomplish what Sweden has done. Not having a single player making a cent is attributable to being a big country. It's all due to geography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 The Quebec City/Windsor corridor is smaller than Sweden, and twice the population. But no, we could never accomplish what Sweden has done. Not having a single player making a cent is attributable to being a big country. It's all due to geography. I never said it was 100% attributable, there are a lot of factors working against it, such as: 1) Soccer is not as popular in Canada as in Sweden 2) A general tendency to look down on professional sports leagues that aren't national in scope 3) A general tendency to look down on women's sports 4) A general tendency to look down on leagues that operate only in Canada 5) A lack of investment on the part of the people who would own clubs and buy tickets for the league to function Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Marta makes $26,000 a month, holly sh...t. How do we top that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Marta makes $26,000 a month, holly sh...t. How do we top that? If Marta can make $26 000 a month, Sinclair can easily make $100 000+ a year in the free market. This makes me question once again: Why is the CSA using an allocation spot (in NWSL - nothing to do with Sweden) for her? We should be using this funding for players who finacially need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 It's okay, Vic, we're throwing pennies at the Americans so they graciously permit a handful of our players to play in their league and assist their development programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 ...factoring those [population density] numbers in, setting up any kind of national league in which clubs can turn a profit and pay out a good wage is pretty much incomparable in terms of difficulty. You may not have said it was 100% attributable but you said it was the reason. 1) Soccer is not as popular in Canada as in Sweden Really. It's not the same anymore. Our top pro teams out-draw theirs and our participation numbers are higher, especially on the female side. 2) A general tendency to look down on professional sports leagues that aren't national in scope Like the OHL and QJMHL? 3) A general tendency to look down on women's sports And in Sweden they look up? 4) A general tendency to look down on leagues that operate only in Canada Like the CFL? 5) A lack of investment on the part of the people who would own clubs and buy tickets for the league to function How do you think the Swedes got to the point of paying people that much money? They woke up one day and invented it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 It's okay, Vic, we're throwing pennies at the Americans so they graciously permit a handful of our players to play in their league and assist their development programme. God love us eh. The only democracy with a communist solution and propaganda machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvroArrow Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 How many women's soccer leagues have started in North America, failed, were started again, and failed again? People have voted with their dollars on a number of occassions and it appears that there isn't a market to support those kinds of salaries in North America. I'm not saying that its fair or that it's right, but it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 The professional leagues we have now in all sports didn't just appear one day. All sports had leagues that failed when they started. If people had that mentality none of them would exist now. And maybe I'm wrong but I thought there was a professional women's league existing now. It doesn't even have to be professional. There is not even a semi-serious club program in Canada that operates on a full-time basis beyond seven weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 You may not have said it was 100% attributable but you said it was the reason. I brought it up as a reason. The point was that Sweden is different. As for the rest: 1) Soccer is not as popular in Canada as in Sweden Really. It's not the same anymore. Our top pro teams out-draw theirs and our participation numbers are higher, especially on the female side. We have three pro-teams, all in the largest cities in the country, which are spaced out by massive tracts of land and play against major American clubs. 2) A general tendency to look down on professional sports leagues that aren't national in scope Like the OHL and QJMHL? Junior Hockey leagues aren't professional sports leagues. We also have several successful PDL sides, and W-League sides, which would be comparable. 3) A general tendency to look down on women's sports And in Sweden they look up? In Sweden the national media actually do contribute to an atmosphere in which women's soccer is regarded alongside men's in a non-negative fashion. See Ibrahimovic's hissy-fit at being compared to Lotta Schelin by Swedish media. 4) A general tendency to look down on leagues that operate only in Canada Like the CFL? Yes, actually. The CFL is regarded by many people outside of its immediate fanbase as a joke league that wishes it was the NFL. 5) A lack of investment on the part of the people who would own clubs and buy tickets for the league to function How do you think the Swedes got to the point of paying people that much money? They woke up one day and invented it? So wait, you're saying that what we have right now, with the CWNT getting more press than ever and ramping up investment in the national program isn't good enough and we should be looking at Sweden, and then when I mention that we don't have investorship on par with their's at all, your argument changes to "it has to start somewhere"? What exactly is the point you're trying to make here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 If Marta can make $26 000 a month, Sinclair can easily make $100 000+ a year in the free market. This makes me question once again: Why is the CSA using an allocation spot (in NWSL - nothing to do with Sweden) for her? We should be using this funding for players who finacially need it. I remember that Sinclair had a massive offer from PSG and declined it just after the announcement of the NWSL. Whether the CSA forced her to decline it or it was her full decision is the real question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 I brought it up as a reason. The point was that Sweden is different. As for the rest: 1) Soccer is not as popular in Canada as in Sweden Really. It's not the same anymore. Our top pro teams out-draw theirs and our participation numbers are higher, especially on the female side. We have three pro-teams, all in the largest cities in the country, which are spaced out by massive tracts of land and play against major American clubs. We have five, three of whom outdraw Swedish clubs. And in terms of popularity as a past-time we're higher. 2) A general tendency to look down on professional sports leagues that aren't national in scope Like the OHL and QJMHL? Junior Hockey leagues aren't professional sports leagues. We also have several successful PDL sides, and W-League sides, which would be comparable. You want to get hung up on the word professional knock yourself out. I'm talking about infrastructure. The last time I went to an OHL game I paid $12 and sat with 9,000 people. That's not Canadians looking down on leagues that aren't national in scope. 3) A general tendency to look down on women's sports And in Sweden they look up? In Sweden the national media actually do contribute to an atmosphere in which women's soccer is regarded alongside men's in a non-negative fashion. See Ibrahimovic's hissy-fit at being compared to Lotta Schelin by Swedish media. Have you ever been to Sweden and talked to Swedes? I have, lots of them. And I didn't notice any difference in their opinions on female athletes. The Swedish players are constantly griping about their lack of respect. Ibrahimovic's opinion is the norm. 4) A general tendency to look down on leagues that operate only in Canada Like the CFL? Yes, actually. The CFL is regarded by many people outside of its immediate fanbase as a joke league that wishes it was the NFL. The league averages 22,500 a game. I guess they missed the joke. 5) A lack of investment on the part of the people who would own clubs and buy tickets for the league to function How do you think the Swedes got to the point of paying people that much money? They woke up one day and invented it? So wait, you're saying that what we have right now, with the CWNT getting more press than ever and ramping up investment in the national program isn't good enough and we should be looking at Sweden, and then when I mention that we don't have investorship on par with their's at all, your argument changes to "it has to start somewhere"? What we have isn't good enough? Do we have something? We have a national team, and then nothing. We were early into the women's game, we're top 10 world ranked, we've spent tens of millions on our national team, we have half a million female players, and we don't have a single adult club program that practices more than once a week. Is that good for our women? Should they be proud of what we've given them for half a century of taxes and fees? What exactly is the point you're trying to make here? We exist in the dark ages of women's soccer because of people who don't eat their dinner until it's made for them and on the table. And if other countries did that they'd be right there beside us. It's 2014, 40 years after similar countries got in gear and created opportunities for their women, and people still say the world is flat and it can't be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 I remember that Sinclair had a massive offer from PSG and declined it just after the announcement of the NWSL. Whether the CSA forced her to decline it or it was her full decision is the real question. Add Desiree Scott into the mix too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I would like to see soccer Federations headed by women. We have countries whose presidents are women. FIFA should set the example after Blatter retires or quits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Add Desiree Scott into the mix too. Desiree did leave for Notts County LFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sincforpm Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I remember that Sinclair had a massive offer from PSG and declined it just after the announcement of the NWSL. Whether the CSA forced her to decline it or it was her full decision is the real question. I recall that Sinclair said in an interview with Stephen Brunt(?) that she did not want to play in Europe. She prefers to play in North America. She is obviously playing in the NWSL for a lot less money. She did however get substantial endorsements last year. McLean magazine estimated her annual income as $350,000.00 but that is another topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandOne Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I recall that Sinclair said in an interview with Stephen Brunt(?) that she did not want to play in Europe. She prefers to play in North America. She is obviously playing in the NWSL for a lot less money. She did however get substantial endorsements last year. McLean magazine estimated her annual income as $350,000.00 but that is another topic. Yes, Sincy only wants to play in North America. CSA doesn't force Sinc to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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