archer21 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Watchmen said: For decades, "Unattached FC" was the running joke as the most common club for the MNT players. Now this forum has a thread devoted to the number of champions we have in Europe this past season. The players almost certainly have an improved mentality now just from their club play. Against a team that had barely played together and is below Canada in the standings, Canada looked disorganized and sloppy for the first half and nearly conceded a goal. The talent level on Canada is now such that beating these types of teams isn't "a resounding success" - it's the bare minimum. We didn’t look great to start, as it clearly took a little bit to settle into the game. Let’s not be overly critical though, it’s not like they were dominating for any length of time and getting clear cut chances from a couple yards out. Becker hit a nice first time shot off the crossbar from outside the box, it is what it is. We dominated possession, had them pinned back consistently, and had the vast majority of scoring chances. I do agree that with the quality of players we have, we need to be beating the Suriname’s of the world relatively easily, and that’s what we did. I don’t think it showed a master class in coaching by Herdman, but he certainly accomplished the mission so I don’t see why some people are so intent on discrediting him and rebutting anyone that gives him any praise. Kent, Club Linesman, CanadaFan123 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, archer21 said: We didn’t look great to start, as it clearly took a little bit to settle into the game. Let’s not be overly critical though, it’s not like they were dominating for any length of time and getting clear cut chances from a couple yards out. Becker hit a nice first time shot off the crossbar from outside the box, it is what it is. We dominated possession, had them pinned back consistently, and had the vast majority of scoring chances. I do agree that with the quality of players we have, we need to be beating the Suriname’s of the world relatively easily, and that’s what we did. I don’t think it showed a master class in coaching by Herdman, but he certainly accomplished the mission so I don’t see why some people are so intent on discrediting him and rebutting anyone that gives him any praise. Exactly. It was a scary quarter chance they had... it wasn't even a half chance, just a nice strike. We had the first clear cut chance of the game on David's breakaway but people want to act like the Suriname attempt equated to them having control or us being shaky. It's not reality. The game was open early and then around the 20 minute mark onward they couldn't get in our half. MtlMario and Club Linesman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, Watchmen said: For decades, "Unattached FC" was the running joke as the most common club for the MNT players. Now this forum has a thread devoted to the number of champions we have in Europe this past season. The players almost certainly have an improved mentality now just from their club play. Against a team that had barely played together and is below Canada in the standings, Canada looked disorganized and sloppy for the first half and nearly conceded a goal. The talent level on Canada is now such that beating these types of teams isn't "a resounding success" - it's the bare minimum. Holy shit, if you guys think that Canada is suddenly too talented to take pressure from teams which have players playing at high levels in Europe, then you're gonna have a bad time. Yes, Canada has some talented players now. So does Suriname. So do lots of Concacaf teams. I feel like some posters here suddenly think that now that we have David and Davies we are supposed to be France or something. We still have a relatively weak backline that good teams are going to be able to test. That's the reality of football. Herdman has instilled a mindset that is focused on responding to those tests and being ruthless in that response, and that's exactly what happened. We are not good enough to be able to dominate good teams for 90+ minutes, that's just not realistic. We were playing a new formation, with a CB who had never been capped, another CB has been a bit of a bomb scare, and another CB who is a right back. And it's considered a near-disaster that a Bundesliga winger was able to get a shot off on target before the game had settled in? Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmen Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, archer21 said: I do agree that with the quality of players we have, we need to be beating the Suriname’s of the world relatively easily, and that’s what we did. I don’t think it showed a master class in coaching by Herdman, but he certainly accomplished the mission so I don’t see why some people are so intent on discrediting him and rebutting anyone that gives him any praise. I think this is the point we're all debating. The mission (so far) has been accomplished. How much of that is due to the improvement in the quality of our players (which no one debates) and how much is on the manager, well that's what we're wondering. Hope Herdman and the team get it done against Haiti and at least show well in the Octo. Edited June 11, 2021 by Watchmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaFan123 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, frmr said: Holy shit, if you guys think that Canada is suddenly too talented to take pressure from teams which have players playing at high levels in Europe, then you're gonna have a bad time. Yes, Canada has some talented players now. So does Suriname. So do lots of Concacaf teams. I feel like some posters here suddenly think that now that we have David and Davies we are supposed to be France or something. We still have a relatively weak backline that good teams are going to be able to test. That's the reality of football. Herdman has instilled a mindset that is focused on responding to those tests and being ruthless in that response, and that's exactly what happened. We are not good enough to be able to dominate good teams for 90+ minutes, that's just not realistic. We were playing a new formation, with a CB who had never been capped, another CB has been a bit of a bomb scare, and another CB who is a right back. And it's considered a near-disaster that a Bundesliga winger was able to get a shot off on target before the game had settled in? Ridiculous. Actually he hit the woodwork, so it's not considered on target dyslexic nam and MtlMario 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frmr Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, CanadaFan123 said: Actually he hit the woodwork, so it's not considered on target I knew someone was going to point that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostknownunknown Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Talk of him transferring to Spain: lowlander, Addona, narduch and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Interesting. TSN just picked up La Liga rights too. johnyb, longlugan and Ruffian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Sorry Whitecaps fans, but I would absolutely love for this to happen. Now or never for a European move for Lucas. Ruffian, Shway, Corazon and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floortom Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 They don’t really have any quality strikers on that squad as of now..cavallini would have a great chance to be regular starter johnyb and Addona 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebdeserio Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Cavallini loves a bottom of the table team he certainly enjoys a challenge. LeoH037, johnyb, Obinna and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unnamed Trialist Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, ghostknownunknown said: Talk of him transferring to Spain: Not the first Canadian Rayo has shown interest in this year Great move if it happens. I seem to recall that when Lucas was at Puebla there was some interest from teams in Spanish 2nd division, like maybe Zaragoza. But nothing went very far on that. They just squeezed out promotion vs. Girona with an away win. Obviously, their finances are tight, they'd be amongst the lowest budget teams in top flight next year, together with Elche. True they are short on strikers. Their coach is Iraola, the Basque back who was at NYCity for a season, just five years ago. So him not having a negative view of MLS would be a positive factor. They've been doing long renos on the small stadium, but are a team that need it finished to get the gate. Probably one of the teams with the thinnest fan base in Spain, as they are only supported in Vallecas, working-class Madrid. So weak merchandising. They get a lot of press because the Madrid sports dailies, and national radio shows, tend to give them a bit more play. I've seen them play in Vallecas twice, once in 2nd division and once in third tier. Obinna, Floortom, johnyb and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadenge Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 I really dont have a problem with players playing on a lower standing team in a top 4 league. Cav would still have to raise and sharpen his game in La Liga and I think he needs that challenge. Besides you just know he would relish playing vs Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico etc Addona, cronaldo7, Obinna and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, sebdeserio said: Cavallini loves a bottom of the table team he certainly enjoys a challenge. My hope is some of the players have the ability to pass forward. Ruffian, RichV, sebdeserio and 6 others 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Please go…it will be great for his game and his body to get out of Vancouver even if it means potential relegation battle. Obinna, Corazon and Addona 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Unnamed Trialist said: Not the first Canadian Rayo has shown interest in this year Great move if it happens. I seem to recall that when Lucas was at Puebla there was some interest from teams in Spanish 2nd division, like maybe Zaragoza. But nothing went very far on that. They just squeezed out promotion vs. Girona with an away win. Obviously, their finances are tight, they'd be amongst the lowest budget teams in top flight next year, together with Elche. True they are short on strikers. Their coach is Iraola, the Basque back who was at NYCity for a season, just five years ago. So him not having a negative view of MLS would be a positive factor. They've been doing long renos on the small stadium, but are a team that need it finished to get the gate. Probably one of the teams with the thinnest fan base in Spain, as they are only supported in Vallecas, working-class Madrid. So weak merchandising. They get a lot of press because the Madrid sports dailies, and national radio shows, tend to give them a bit more play. I've seen them play in Vallecas twice, once in 2nd division and once in third tier. Do they tend to play on the counter? Seemed like Puebla played in that way. Several of his goals down in Mexico seemed to be in transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansem Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 44 minutes ago, ghostknownunknown said: Talk of him transferring to Spain: johnyb, Shway, ghostknownunknown and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Obinna said: Do they tend to play on the counter? Seemed like Puebla played in that way. Several of his goals down in Mexico seemed to be in transition. The funny thing here is that the Caps haven't been as good off the transitional counter since Yordi Reyna left. A lot of their open play chances have come off oppostion errors from their upfield pressure. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ckbr0wn Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Ahahah, simply Whitecaps things. When they’re seemingly close to bringing in the 10 they’ve needed for so long to help Cav, he’s off to Spain, deservedly none the less. as a CanMNT fan it’s always great to see our guys go to a top 4 Euro league regardless of if it’s with a relegation team. Would be happy to see the move go through. Guess the argument of who’s number one might get a little harder, eh? Shway and Obinna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shway Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, N1ckbr0wn said: as a CanMNT fan it’s always great to see our guys go to a top 4 Euro league regardless of if it’s with a relegation team. Would be happy to see the move go through. Guess the argument of who’s number one might get a little harder, eh? Depends on if Larin gets his move too. But I don’t think there’s an argument, as it seems it’s just preference at this point from the fans, as well as the coaches. David is the undisputed 9…it’s the versatility of Larin why I think he’s been beating Cav out. Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ckbr0wn Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Shway said: Depends on if Larin gets his move too. But I don’t think there’s an argument, as it seems it’s just preference at this point from the fans, as well as the coaches. David is the undisputed 9…it’s the versatility of Larin why I think he’s been beating Cav out. Yeah you’re right, David is undisputed #1. I’m always stuck in my ways In thinking David is the perfect 10 or false 9 in this team. If Cav can get a decent scoring record going while playing in La Liga there is definite argument there though for Larin v Cav Edited July 14, 2021 by N1ckbr0wn Obinna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 As things stand the argument between Cavallini and Larin is down to who's number 2, not number 1. And yes I agree that battle for the right to play alongside David may get spicy if Cavallini is playing in La Liga and doing well. Shway and johnyb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, PopePouri said: My hope is some of the players have the ability to pass forward. You clearly haven’t heard of their star midfielder, Raul Tiebértez Atlantic, Nate3322, VanMetropole and 8 others 3 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePouri Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ag futbol said: You clearly haven’t heard of their star midfielder, Raul Tiebértez You mean Canadian soccer Jesus Raul Tiebértez? Edited July 14, 2021 by PopePouri Macksam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, PopePouri said: You mean the Canadian soccer Jesus Raul Tiebértez? His cousin, to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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