Canuck in Boston Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Just threw up in my mouth hearing the ESPN commentators saying Begovic would have played for Canada, only they told him Lars was their choice. What a piece of ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Yeah I've enjoyed getting a bunch of texts from Americans I know laughing about that. What a moron. Although I've legitimately enjoyed betting the US to draw or better at +860 at half. Please don't concede agian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Also USA = good at soccer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck in Boston Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 Also USA = good at soccer Yes indeed they are. I laugh at those who think we are even in the same 50. We suck, they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Just threw up in my mouth hearing the ESPN commentators saying Begovic would have played for Canada, only they told him Lars was their choice. What a piece of ****e. I believe the ESPN commentators are mis-informed, if that's what they heard...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Yes indeed they are. I laugh at those who think we are even in the same 50. We suck, they don't. So, if that's the case, do they just exceptionally underperform when we play them (last 4 results against them: 1-2, 0-2, 0-0, 0-0)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I believe we overachieve due to the shot of adrenaline from a rivalry match. For whatever reason, we can't see the other CONCACAF nations as rivals. And the US are too busy worrying about Mexico to pay any attention to us. Interesting psychological problem. FTR, 1 goal scored and 2 points from 4 matches is not really a record to be celebrated. That 4 goals scored, 1 conceded, and 8 points for them. Sounds like another level to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeelaw Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Wow, **** you ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck in Boston Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 So, if that's the case, do they just exceptionally underperform when we play them (last 4 results against them: 1-2, 0-2, 0-0, 0-0)? US record for 2013 Date Match Result Goalscorers Venue Attendance Jan. 29, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Canada 0-0 T -- BBVA Compass Stadium Houston, Texas 11,737 Feb. 6, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Honduras * 1-2 L Dempsey Estadio Olimpico San Pedro Sula, Honduras 37,000 March 22, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Costa Rica * 1-0 W Dempsey Dick's Sporting Goods Park Commerce City, Colo. 19,374 March 26, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Mexico * 0-0 T -- Estadio Azteca Mexico City, Mexico 85,500 May 29, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Belgium 2-4 L Cameron, Dempsey FirstEnergy Stadium Cleveland, Ohio 27,720 June 2, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Germany 4-3 W Altidore, Own Goal, Dempsey(2) RFK Stadium Washington, D.C. 47,359 June 7, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Jamaica * 2-1 W Altidore, Evans National Stadium Kingston, Jamaica 12,130 June 11, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Panama * 2-0 W Altidore, E. Johnson CenturyLink Field Seattle, Wash. 40,847 June 18, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Honduras * 1-0 W Altidore Rio Tinto Stadium Sandy, Utah 20,250 July 5, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Guatemala 6-0 W Gomez, Donovan(2), Wondolowski, Goodson, Bedoya Qualcomm Stadium San Diego, Calif. 25,080 July 9, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Belize 6-1 W Wondolowski(3), Holden, Orozco Fiscal, Donovan JELD-WEN Field Portland, Ore. 18,724 July 13, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Cuba 4-1 W Donovan, Corona, Wondolowski(2) Rio Tinto Stadium Sandy, Utah 17,597 July 16, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Costa Rica 1-0 W Shea Rentschler Field East Hartford, Conn. 25,432 July 21, 2013 U.S. Men vs. El Salvador 5-1 W Goodson, Corona, E. Johnson, Donovan, Diskerud M&T Bank Stadium Baltimore, Md. 70,540 July 24, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Honduras 3-1 W Johnson, Donovan(2) Cowboys Stadium Arlington, Texas 81,410 July 28, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Panama 1-0 W Shea Soldier Field Chicago, Ill. 57,920 Aug. 14, 2013 U.S. Men vs. Bosnia-Herzegovina 4-3 W E. Johnson, Altidore(3) Asim Ferhatovic Hase Stadium Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina 24,000 And Ours Date Location Match type Result Opponent Venue Attendance 2013-07-14 Denver, Colorado, USA Gold Cup 0 - 0 PAN Sports Authority Field at Mile High 2013-07-11 Seattle, Washington, USA Gold Cup 0 - 2 MEX CenturyLink Field 28,354 2013-07-07 Pasadena, California, USA Gold Cup 0 - 1 MTQ Rose Bowl 2013-05-28 Edmonton, Alberta, Canada International friendly match 0 - 1 CRC Commonwealth Stadium 8,102 2013-03-25 Doha, Qatar International friendly match 0 - 2 BLR Aspire Dome 100 2013-03-22 Doha, Qatar International friendly match 1 - 2 JPN Khalifa Stadium 2,000 2013-01-29 Houston, Texas, USA International friendly match 0 - 0 USA BBVA Compass Stadium 11,737 2013-01-26 Tucson, Arizona, USA International friendly match 0 - 4 DEN Kino Veterans Memorial Stadium 3,042 Plus the stellar result vs Ventura County Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I believe we overachieve due to the shot of adrenaline from a rivalry match. For whatever reason, we can't see the other CONCACAF nations as rivals. And the US are too busy worrying about Mexico to pay any attention to us. Interesting psychological problem. FTR, 1 goal scored and 2 points from 4 matches is not really a record to be celebrated. That 4 goals scored, 1 conceded, and 8 points for them. Sounds like another level to me. By no means am I celebrating our record against them. They are the better team, there is no question. I just don't understand the argument that we don't deserve to be on the same pitch as them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck in Boston Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 By no means am I celebrating our record against them. They are the better team, there is no question. I just don't understand the argument that we don't deserve to be on the same pitch as them. I recall writing that we aren't in the same 50 as the US, meaning FIFA ranking. Strictly speaking Martinique and Ventura County dont deserve to be on the same pitch as Canada, yet look at the results. Sport is a funny thing and that's why they actually play the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Whatever their record in any competition, I'd rather choke on my own vomit than cheer for the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck in Boston Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 I believe the ESPN commentators are mis-informed, if that's what they heard...... Actually, I think they said Begovic told them that. I am not saying it is correct, but that it was told to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Whatever their record in any competition, I'd rather choke on my own vomit than cheer for the USA. +1. I also don't think it's a coincidence that the US scored 4 times in the 2nd half, after Bosnia subbed out there starting CBs at halftime. If the tables had been turned, you KNOW the ESPN guys would be downplaying it all as part of the subs made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck in Boston Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Whatever their record in any competition, I'd rather choke on my own vomit than cheer for the USA. Who is cheering for the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I cheer for all CONCACAF nations at the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 I cheer for all CONCACAF nations at the World Cup. +1. Except Honduras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 +1. Except Honduras. I know, it is sick, but I cheer for even Honduras at the WC. I also follow the USA closely, since they are one of the two iconic teams for CONCACAF. I just want to point out the depth that they have. Man, they are getting ridiculously deep. They arguably called an -A/+B team and still beat Bosnia (who were at full strength) in Bosnia. They never called Chandler, Beasley, Cherundolo, Besler, Gonzalez, Goodson....Zuzi, Edu, Williams, Torres, Shea, Beckerman.....or Dempsey, Donovan, Wondolowski, Gomez, Agudelo. Those players listed there show that the USA can pretty much pick two teams capable of competing at the world cup. They are so far ahead of us it is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck in Boston Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 I know, it is sick, but I cheer for even Honduras at the WC. I also follow the USA closely, since they are one of the two iconic teams for CONCACAF. I just want to point out the depth that they have. Man, they are getting ridiculously deep. They arguably called an -A/+B team and still beat Bosnia (who were at full strength) in Bosnia. They never called Chandler, Beasley, Cherundolo, Besler, Gonzalez, Goodson....Zuzi, Edu, Williams, Torres, Shea, Beckerman.....or Dempsey, Donovan, Wondolowski, Gomez, Agudelo. Those players listed there show that the USA can pretty much pick two teams capable of competing at the world cup. They are so far ahead of us it is insane. Amen brutha. I am no American supporter as anyone who knows me here would confirm, but damn they are so far ahead of us it makes me sick. And hockey is next. Back the 60's, 70's and 80's most NHL players had summer jobs back in the home land, now they live in the US year 'round. Thus American children, but that is only the tip of it. US money means full year development camps. Ten times the population and ten times the funds leads to elite level status. My oldest is a semi-elite hockey kid at ten years of age. He is already being asked to choose a country. Absolutely insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Amen brutha. I am no American supporter as anyone who knows me here would confirm, but damn they are so far ahead of us it makes me sick. And hockey is next. Back the 60's, 70's and 80's most NHL players had summer jobs back in the home land, now they live in the US year 'round. Thus American children, but that is only the tip of it. US money means full year development camps. Ten times the population and ten times the funds leads to elite level status. My oldest is a semi-elite hockey kid at ten years of age. He is already being asked to choose a country. Absolutely insane. I don't think that is truly a big deal. The offspring of NHL children might help, but it's not a big game changer. As for soccer, they're so far a head of us now, but that can all change in a decade. Ten years ago, the Netherlands were so far a head of Belgium it probably made the latter sick. Now look at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstepp817 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 As an American who lives in Canada and married to a Canadian I follow both teams pretty closely. I cheer for the USA first since its my country of birth and I lived in Texas until my 30s but I cheer for Canada #2. I do cheer for any CONCACAF side when they play an outside team, better results = better FIFA Ranking. It is nice as an American that we've developed some depth and are able to field two pretty good squads. Getting a win in Eurpoe against a top level side is still really big for US Soccer, regardless of the circumstances. Kilnnsman has brought a level of professionalism and motivation they have never seen in the states and its paying off. 12 wins in a row pretty impressive. US didnt get here overnight and its a LONG process to go from also ran to contender. Canada IMO has the tools to get it done but patience is needed. This thing is in bad shape at the moment, but give Floro some time I think he can turn the culture around. Best thing would be some good results and get the 2nd generation kids in Canada to WANT to play for Canada and not the country of their parents. US is finally making inroads in the Mexican-American community and its starting to pay off, I think the outreach by US Soccer and their success are big reasons for it. I could see Canada soccer do similar things as well! Begovic did play for Canada in the U-20 World Cup....and was on the bench during a 2010 WCQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 USA quality depth should be credited to MLS where quality of league has improved. So USMNT is benefiting from that! Canada can't complete until we either have our league or every Canadian city has a professional soccer team where Canadians can play and develop. 3 Canadian MLS teams and along with FC Edmonton is helping Canadian program (we're seeing some positive results from our youth teams), but that isn't enough. But it shows how much an impact a pro team has on your national program. It's going to take a while for Canada to get there, but we do have resources now that we didn't have before. It's going to take a good 20-30 years to see quality rise in our national program once we established professional leagues/clubs in our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 USA quality depth should be credited to MLS where quality of league has improved. So USMNT is benefiting from that! This statement is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 This statement is debatable. How so? Without MLS, there will be less Americans playing professional these days which will result in less depth and quality in their national team. Just imagine where would guys like Landon Donovan be without MLS. Same could be said about some of Canadian players like DeRo (who struggle playing overseas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartlikefox Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 This statement is debatable. How is it debatable? They just won the Gold cup with what was essentially an MLS based team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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