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An old question: Doubts keep arising about true age of Winnipeg's U17 soccer star

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Isn't there a bone test of the growth rings they do to determine age in young people?

Yes, they started this test 2 years ago for the U17 WC...they caught something like 9 Nigerians last time. Also, as was mentioned in the article players have to show their passports for FIFA sanctioned matches like qualifiers, so if as Hector Vergara says his passport has "96" on it then it's not really the CSA's fault.

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But both the Canadian and Manitoba soccer associations at one time believed Musse was born in 1994. There's been online chatter about Musse's age, and some people say they recall he was listed as born in 1994 when he started playing in Winnipeg.

This paragraph angers me. If you're going to publicly challenge the age of a minor in your city, you should at least quote credible (and real) sources in justifying your doubt. "Online chatter" and "some people say" just doesn't cut it.

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The article makes a decent case, he was listed as a 94 in 2007, perhaps it was an error, perhaps not. But I wouldn't be surprised by the thought of a person lying about their age, for footballing reasons. Ali Dia didn't seem to have a problem with this sort of thing. Moreover, no where does it say he was a very good student. So... don't really see him in grade 9 at the age of 12, and grade 12 at the age of 15!!

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This article is ridiculous. A make-work project. If he is 1994 then post your evidence. If there isn't then why stir-up trouble?

He has a Canadian passport with 1996 on it. If the federal government gives a passport with 1996 who is the CSA to be doubting the accuracy of that passport??

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This article is ridiculous. A make-work project. If he is 1994 then post your evidence. If there isn't then why stir-up trouble?

He has a Canadian passport with 1996 on it. If the federal government gives a passport with 1996 who is the CSA to be doubting the accuracy of that passport??

They did post evidence. They reference instances where he was listed as a 94, for example a youth evaluation camp in 2007. Explain to me, how that kind of mistake would happen. Is there somewhere, ANYWHERE in the ****ing WORLD, where YOUR BIRTHDATE is listed other than what it actually is, if so, please, enlighten me. And the supposition that the passport office is incapable of error (or of being mislead) is erroneous, at BEST.

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If he was chosen to play in a competition, his wrist would be scanned with a MRI machine. If those scans had shown that the bones in his wrist had completely fused together, he would not be eligible regardless of what his passport says. FIFA are satisfied that on average, 1 in every 100 'eligible' players scanned will have fused bones, and will not allow the 1% to play in a tournament.

There's more information here if anyone is interested: http://www.the-afc.com/en/football-development/education/20904

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Are his parents lying now and did they lie in their refugee application is the question? I hope not.

His passport says 1996. Unfortunately the CSA will likely exclude him from further competition rather subjecting us to possible risk of sanctions/suspensions. I remember there were concerns about Ali Gerba (then Ali Ngon) after the U20 CONCACAF competitions...I can't recall if he played in the championships in Argentina the follwing year. Too bad for this Musse kid ... He's still a kid.

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@wingback - saying he was listed as 1994 isn't evidence. Errors of that nature could happen. Being listed in a soccer competition as 1994 does not trump a federally issues passport that says 1996.

The statement was not "Passport Canada doesn't make errors." My statement (paraphrased) was "Who is CSA to question the accuracy of a passport issues by Passport Canada?"

"Some guy" and "internet chatter" and "listed as 1994 in a competition" is not evidence he is a 1994.

That being said - if he gets a bone scan and is ineligible, then so be it. Happens all the time. Unfortunately.

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Are his parents lying now and did they lie in their refugee application is the question? I hope not.

If I read the article correctly I understood it that they lied to the school division so their son would be placed in the same year as his only friends (I'd speculate the kids of other members of the Somali community in their neighbourhood). You know, to make the transition to Canada just a wee bit less intimidating and allow for more comfortable communication in the classroom.

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His passport says 1996. Unfortunately the CSA will likely exclude him from further competition rather subjecting us to possible risk of sanctions/suspensions. I remember there were concerns about Ali Gerba (then Ali Ngon) after the U20 CONCACAF competitions...I can't recall if he played in the championships in Argentina the follwing year. Too bad for this Musse kid ... He's still a kid.

It would actually explain a lot if Gerba were, say, 40 now.

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