rob.notenboom Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Not sure if anyone is that interested in these stats or not (they are more depressing than anything) but a little while ago I was curious as to who the top goal scorer for other CONCACAF nations was, how many goals they had scored, and how that compared with DeRo and his record for Canada with 20 goals. Canada's difficulties going forward are well documented/discussed, but frankly the disparity bewteen us and other CONCACAF nations in this simple metric is appalling. Oh how I hope that some new rising star (Cavallini perhaps) can beat DeRo's record in short order and that there are a couple other forwards/midfielders who also start to knock them in on a regular basis. This 'research' is of the wikipedia variety so apologies for any mistakes or errors I have accidentally reproduced: Country - Player - Goals Mexico - Borghetti - 46 USA - Donovan - 49 Panama - Tejada - 35 Honduras - Pavon - 57 Haiti - Phillipe - 21 (there wasn't a record holder listed ... this is the current player with the highest total) Costa Rica - Fonseca - 47 Jamaica - Shelton - 35 Trinidad & Tobago - John - 70 Cuba - More - 29 El Salvador - Arce - 39 Guatemala - Ruiz - 55 Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 But some of those teams (especially the ones from West Indies) play against a lot of weak teams. Just imagine Canada playing against teams like Barbados for 4 or 5 times a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 But some of those teams (especially the ones from West Indies) play against a lot of weak teams. Just imagine Canada playing against teams like Barbados for 4 or 5 times a year. Yes I had thought of that and that definitely skews the results. On the other hand we played weaker teams in WCQ in the round prior to being in the group with Honduras, Panama, and Cuba and (excluding one game) still had difficulty scoring. I hear what you're saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 But some of those teams (especially the ones from West Indies) play against a lot of weak teams. Just imagine Canada playing against teams like Barbados for 4 or 5 times a year. Yes but half of DeRo's goals were also scored against minnows. A lot of them were also penalties. If we were looking at goals against quality opposition during the run of play I think the statistics would even be a lot worse for our strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Yes but half of DeRo's goals were also scored against minnows. A lot of them were also penalties. If we were looking at goals against quality opposition during the run of play I think the statistics would even be a lot worse for our strikers. Strike rate would be a better measure or maybe strike rate vs. quality opposition. There have been many years where the CMNT played significantly fewer games than some of the other CONCACAF nations so that would figure in as well. Might have to do some digging and see if I can come up with a more significant statistic. Still, it strikes me (chuckle, snort ... terrible) how few goal scoring opportunities we create and how the danger-element just seems to be absent when we go forward. Watching the Caps-Impact game last night, and between the teams they created more scoring opportunities in the first 20min than the CMNT seems to create in an entire game ... maybe fewer. Frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Country - Player - Goals Haiti- Sanon - 47 Sure, more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Yes but half of DeRo's goals were also scored against minnows. A lot of them were also penalties. If we were looking at goals against quality opposition during the run of play I think the statistics would even be a lot worse for our strikers. We score goals like that? Trying to remember the last time it did happen. Josh Simpson 3 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 We score goals like that? Trying to remember the last time it did happen. Josh Simpson 3 years ago? Dunfield had a beauty vs Ecquador before the 2011 GC ... That's sadly one of the last nice, open play, goals against a good team that I can remember! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Dunfield had a beauty vs Ecquador before the 2011 GC ... That's sadly one of the last nice, open play, goals against a good team that I can remember! How did I forget about that? I was at that game and totally forgot about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 To be fair we have never been a land of goal scorers. What got us to the WC was tough team defence, very good goalkeeping and opportunistic scoring. The fact that Dero is our best with 21 shows how far we have to go. That said it is a nice milestone for the younger generation to aspire to because it is easily reachable for a quality striker (c'mon Brody!!). The plays to the striker also need to improve drastically. None of those others listed have done it themselves. They have midfielders who can thread the needle and wingers who can cross it to them accurately. We need a lot more than just a quality striker or two but that is one hell of a good place to start. I seriously think Will Johnson is ready for a breakout year for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nieuwland Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I have to give a shout out to David Edgar's goal against Cuba last year. Maybe not a good opponent, but an important game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Keep in mind that all those teams play far more often than Canada does. Scoring 20 goals for Canada is probably equivalent to scoring 35 with another CONCACAF nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.