lazlo_80 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 yeah there isn't much to it other than right now Morrow is playing really well and Ashtone had some shaky games in the voyageurs cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I think the answer here is they were playing Morgan and hoping his one v one defending would improve through gameplay. It did, a little, but not enough. It was a weak spot for them last year, and even fans of Morgan's were saying that it was a weak spot for TFC. So yeah...either he works his butt off a LOT and proves through training that his one v one defending has improved, or yeah, he's pointless to the team. He needs to evolve, and if he hasn't by the end of 2014, I don't think he's around for 2015. That simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradMack Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I would like to see Morgan in the DeAndre Yedlin super sub role that he plays for the USMNT. They are similar players if you think about it. Speedy fullbacks who are not the best defenders, but can use their athleticism to make up for it most of the time. They are both a lot better going forward then they are without the ball, so don't put them in a position where their main job is to defend. I think putting Morgan up at left mid around the 75' would allow him to use his speed to his advantage and truly take risks on offense because he knows someone is behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Except unlike Yedlin, Morgan is not a good dribbler or can beat a man 1v1who consistently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 No doubt Morrow has played decent and has a bit more experience than Morgan but I am really disappointed that Ashtone hasn't got more of a run this season, he could be needed anytime if an injury or suspension keeps Morrow out and he just hasn't got enough game minutes to be sharp! There is a growing trend with TFC that is seeing less and less Canadians getting playing time and I don't like it one bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 No doubt Morrow has played decent and has a bit more experience than Morgan but I am really disappointed that Ashtone hasn't got more of a run this season, he could be needed anytime if an injury or suspension keeps Morrow out and he just hasn't got enough game minutes to be sharp! There is a growing trend with TFC that is seeing less and less Canadians getting playing time and I don't like it one bit! Osorio and Henry have been consistently starting while Bekker, Issey (even though he got traded) & DeRo have seen some playing time. Morgan is only one from first team not seeing much playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 No doubt Morrow has played decent and has a bit more experience than Morgan but I am really disappointed that Ashtone hasn't got more of a run this season, he could be needed anytime if an injury or suspension keeps Morrow out and he just hasn't got enough game minutes to be sharp! There is a growing trend with TFC that is seeing less and less Canadians getting playing time and I don't like it one bit! But you want Morgan to earn it, not be given it simply for being Canadian...He hasn't earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Osorio and Henry have been consistently starting while Bekker, Issey (even though he got traded) & DeRo have seen some playing time. Morgan is only one from first team not seeing much playing time. IMO, Nelsen's best XI doesn't have Canadians. TFC07 can't see that being a playoff team by starting 0 Canadians is bad because TFC could do a first in their history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradMack Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Except unlike Yedlin, Morgan is not a good dribbler or can beat a man 1v1who consistently Which is why Yedlin has interest from AS Roma, and Morgan is on TFC's bench. But I still believe he can use his speed effectively against tired defenders, especially when he doesn't have to worry about defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 IMO, Nelsen's best XI doesn't have Canadians. TFC07 can't see that being a playoff team by starting 0 Canadians is bad because TFC could do a first in their history. I can't imagine a starting XI that doesn't have Osorio in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I can't imagine a starting XI that doesn't have Osorio in it. Or Henry who is better than Hagglund. As for Morgan I would be surprised to see him next year at TFC. Even the last time Morrow didn't start they played Bloom in his position. It's a shame. The season Koevermans was lighting the league on fire Morgan was providing him some good service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Henry and Morgan were under so much pressure last season because the midfield couldn't keep possession and the forwards sucked, things are better this season and the backline isn't being exposed like they were! Of course these guys will make mistakes, there were a bunch made on Saturday in throwing a winnable game away at home and there wasn't a Canadian on the pitch to be blamed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Just an observation, but Henry makes mental/emotional mistakes and Hagglund makes agility (or lack of) mistakes - like yesterday and other times when out wide he gets turned inside out and looks like a pylon. Clydesdales don't turn into Cheetas. IMO the mistakes Henry makes are more correctable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I can't imagine a starting XI that doesn't have Osorio in it. Unlike last season, hasnt been as noticeble this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Osorio's shooting is way down, but he was flattered a bit last year by an extremely high shooting percentage and this year he shouldn't be shooting as much, since Defoe, Bradley, and Ol' Gil ought to be getting the major offensive reps. He's got a couple of assists, and if he keeps rounding out his game he should still get somewhere. But I think Toronto fans are seeing the difference between "complimentary-ish player on a bad offensive team" and "complimentary-ish player on a team with a few weapons". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Osorio's shooting is way down, but he was flattered a bit last year by an extremely high shooting percentage and this year he shouldn't be shooting as much, since Defoe, Bradley, and Ol' Gil ought to be getting the major offensive reps. He's got a couple of assists, and if he keeps rounding out his game he should still get somewhere. But I think Toronto fans are seeing the difference between "complimentary-ish player on a bad offensive team" and "complimentary-ish player on a team with a few weapons". Sounds about right to me from what I've seen. I've been impressed with some of his play here and there but it was always likely he would have a dip in performance as he's still young and learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Or Henry who is better than Hagglund. As for Morgan I would be surprised to see him next year at TFC. Even the last time Morrow didn't start they played Bloom in his position. It's a shame. The season Koevermans was lighting the league on fire Morgan was providing him some good service. This is what I was surprised about as well. Nelsen preferred to move Hagglund to RB, and Bloom to LB over getting Morgan on the pitch. On Sat, Morrow had a dreadful ball into Hagglund which then put Hagglund in a tough spot, and thus making him look like a pylon on the first goal. Morrow is not immune to mistakes despite being the preferred choice at LB. In regards to Henry being out of action the last week, I heard on Wed night that he was nursing a sore knee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I remember Morrow had a truly awful clearance that led to the infamous Henry hand ball in the box. Of course Morrow escaped criticism. Apparently Henry has a slight injury. He is the first choice over Hagglund when fully healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I remember Morrow had a truly awful clearance that led to the infamous Henry hand ball in the box. Of course Morrow escaped criticism. Apparently Henry has a slight injury. He is the first choice over Hagglund when fully healthy. And he'll no doubt play on Saturday anyway with Hagglund red-carded. I suspect he would have played anyway over Hagglund without the red-card as Hagglund had an off-night, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgkiss Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I believe Morgan and Henry are far better players than Morrow and Hagglund. I think because both Morgan and Henry like to be on the ball that their "mistakes" are often seen. The truth is, they make many greta plays. Morgan for instance can easily put in 3-4 crosses from the left side. Are they all perfect passes? Certainly not but at least the ball is moved forward and a chance may result in a goal. Morgan also gets back into position very quickly as well. I think the area where he lacks the most is his positioning 1v1. He needs to push opponents out to the byline more often. Henry, well he is a beast. He has great offensive and defensive skills. Makes mistakes no doubt but again, I think it has more to do with the fact that he is trying to get on the end of every ball that comes his way. If he just spent a little less time covering off others positions, he would fare much better. However, this not only shows a lack of coverage in these other positions but shows his team abilities - wanting the team to win. Both of these guys would be starting in my CMNT and TFC 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Unlike last season, hasnt been as noticeble this year. I've been noticing him more. Goals aside, he's involved all over the field and his superior skill level is easily evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I believe, and I think the coaching staff believes as well, that Henry and Osorio are both starters. Osorio has been plagued by injuries this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I've been noticing him more. Goals aside, he's involved all over the field and his superior skill level is easily evident. There are many things I like about Osorio. I like his athleticism, his 1 v 1 capabilities as needed, and his eye for an incisive pass. Last year he was able to make more late runs into the box for goal scoring opportunities. He does get down more/frustrated when things aren't going right and that takes him off his game, but I think that is more of a maturation process. Just an observation, but Henry makes mental/emotional mistakes and Hagglund makes agility (or lack of) mistakes - like yesterday and other times when out wide he gets turned inside out and looks like a pylon. Clydesdales don't turn into Cheetas. IMO the mistakes Henry makes are more correctable. Interesting point here because the athleticism, imo, is what gives a guy like a Bekker a glass ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 ^ This is a good point. Osorio's role has changed this year. He is much more of a playmaker. Last year, he was relied upon to score because we had so few goal scorers. This year, he is getting the ball to Defoe, Gilberto, Bradley, Moore, and, wide to Jackson & Oduro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Not sure about the criticism of Osorio. I think he's been really good this year and I can't stress enough how crucial it is for us to have a midfielder who can deliver a KILLER ball. Every splitting ball out of the TFC midfield comes from either Bradley or Osorio. He had a few goals last year, great but I'm more concerned with his overall development and to me he looks more mature out there. He has also had some pretty tough injuries to deal with this year so I think patience is needed... not sure it is fair to expect a 10 goal season out of him (which I think many were) and that shows you how talented he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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