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Maxim Tissot... from Aylmer Quebec ... his road to MLS


Trillium

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I think the most pressing questions are:

1. Has he drank any of the Kook Aid?

2. If so, did it benefit or harm his career?

These are very important questions Trillium. Please let us know.

No as I understand it he did not drink any "Fou Aide", in fact I doubt if TFC even had him on their radar.

Of course Joey got a large territory from MLS,

"Montreal Impact: All of Canada excluding the provinces of British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and a 50-mile radius of Toronto's training facility."

Toronto FC: All of Canada, excluding the provinces of British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba and Quebec.

Vancouver Whitecaps: All of Canada, excluding a 50-mile radius of Toronto's training facility and the province of Quebec.

So Toronto gets a 50 mile circle of exclusivity, Impact get all of Quebec as an exclusive, and Whitecaps get all of BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

Clearly the Whitecaps have made out like bandits on this one so one has to hope they develop more Canadian based players with closer ties to the Eddies as place to let the young players develop.

Ottawa's NASL franchise could benefit from working closely with the Impact, to get young talent, both anglo and franco in the coming years. Its not clear from the way TFC is working if they have been talking to the Fury in Ottawa to have a working relationship.

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The Whitecaps have made out like bandits in terms of raw geography, but that comes with difficulties as well. TFC can scout within two hours' drive. The Whitecaps need to go to the antipodes. And of course facilities for player training and development are more difficult to come by in scattered areas.

Of course, the fairest thing would be to ditch this ridiculous, anti-competitive system of "territories" like we're Mafia dons and just have academies compete for the best players.

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I'd imagine the territories were divided through a mixture of where talents come from geographically and respective populations. With that in mind the territories do seem pretty even... just think if TFC had Alderson and Teibert.

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Wait, so TFC, Vancouver and Montreal can get players from Ontario (outside of GTA), but TFC can't get any players from Quebec and BC? This isn't right. TFC is should be the only team to get players from Ontario (being only team from Ontario in MLS and have bit of an influence in OSA) unless TFC can get BC and Quebec rights as well.

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Wait, so TFC, Vancouver and Montreal can get players from Ontario (outside of GTA), but TFC can't get any players from Quebec and BC? This isn't right. TFC is should be the only team to get players from Ontario (being only team from Ontario in MLS and have bit of an influence in OSA) unless TFC can get BC and Quebec rights as well.

You're from Brampton you should know how much talent is in that area surrounding Toronto and what a large % of Canadian MNT players come from the area.

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Wait, so TFC, Vancouver and Montreal can get players from Ontario (outside of GTA), but TFC can't get any players from Quebec and BC? This isn't right. TFC is should be the only team to get players from Ontario (being only team from Ontario in MLS and have bit of an influence in OSA) unless TFC can get BC and Quebec rights as well.

Population, not necessarily geography.

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Wait, so TFC, Vancouver and Montreal can get players from Ontario (outside of GTA), but TFC can't get any players from Quebec and BC? This isn't right. TFC is should be the only team to get players from Ontario (being only team from Ontario in MLS and have bit of an influence in OSA) unless TFC can get BC and Quebec rights as well.

The Ottawa area would likely be completely ignored by TFC just like it gets ignored by the OSA. Plus it makes a lot more sense for a player from Ottawa to join an academy 2 hours away from home than one 5 hours away.

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This rule is unfair to the kids who aspire to become professionals. What happens if the Whitecaps or TFC is interested in a kid from Quebec? Kids from Quebec, BC, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta are disadvantaged if they can play by only one MLS club. This is unfair to Canadian football.

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The Ottawa area would likely be completely ignored by TFC just like it gets ignored by the OSA. Plus it makes a lot more sense for a player from Ottawa to join an academy 2 hours away from home than one 5 hours away.

Not true. TFC have scouts all over Ontario and have partnership deals with clubs around Ontario (http://www.torontofc.ca/academy/teams/cap). They're active in Ontario soccer community and have their academy teams playing in Ontario instead of USSF academy leagues unlike Montreal.

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You're from Brampton you should know how much talent is in that area surrounding Toronto and what a large % of Canadian MNT players come from the area.

True but however, Brampton is just one area (you can't except one area to keep producing players forever). There's a lot of talented players all over Ontario (you should know that) and TFC having to share it while other two teams don't share their turf with us isn't fair. At minimum, all of Southern Ontario should be exclusive to TFC.

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GTA = 5.5 million

Quebec = 8 million

Western Canada = 10.3 million

How's that fair for Toronto FC?

Probably because the player pool sizes are not proportional to the population sizes. And even in Ontario the player pool is probably heavily slanted towards the GTA. So I could see how it might be equal despite what the broader numbers suggest.

That being said, these clubs having territories is a bit of a crock of ****, especially when there's only three of them. Competition would do them some good, as would trying to uncover players no matter where they are in the country.

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Of course, the fairest thing would be to ditch this ridiculous, anti-competitive system of "territories" like we're Mafia dons and just have academies compete for the best players.

This. This format is beyond terrible.

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You guys need to read that article in greater detail - or do more research if it isn't listed there. TFC and Montreal can both take players from areas other than the ones listed here. TFC, for example, can go to the Maritimes for players, and of course can also get players from outside the 50 mile radius in Ontario - it's just that Vancouver and MTL can't get players from within that 50 mile radius just like TFC can't get any players from BC etc etc.

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You guys need to read that article in greater detail - or do more research if it isn't listed there. TFC and Montreal can both take players from areas other than the ones listed here. TFC, for example, can go to the Maritimes for players, and of course can also get players from outside the 50 mile radius in Ontario - it's just that Vancouver and MTL can't get players from within that 50 mile radius just like TFC can't get any players from BC etc etc.

ThiKu, I don't think anybody is confused about the above. We know TFC can get players outside the 50 mile radius. However, because certain territories are off limits regardless like BC and Quebec, people still have a problem with it.

Anyhow, even though this looks like Canadian protectionism at its finest, the rules are MLS mandated so blame can be directed at the league instead.

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You guys need to read that article in greater detail - or do more research if it isn't listed there. TFC and Montreal can both take players from areas other than the ones listed here. TFC, for example, can go to the Maritimes for players, and of course can also get players from outside the 50 mile radius in Ontario - it's just that Vancouver and MTL can't get players from within that 50 mile radius just like TFC can't get any players from BC etc etc.

Yeah, there's no confusion. It's a terrible rule. Businesses don't blindly own the rights to people.

How anyone is okay with that is beyond me.

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Surely there can be exceptions made? What if a young player from Manitoba has a strong support network established in Toronto (for example; grandparents live walking distance from the academy facilities). He would have no choice but to move out to Vancouver's academy at the other end of the country? That's dumb.

The players would naturally flow to the nearest, most convenient academy on their own. If the impact can pry away a prospect from Brampton then the kid probably has a really good reason for wanting to go there. No need for these rules.

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Surely there can be exceptions made? What if a young player from Manitoba has a strong support network established in Toronto (for example; grandparents live walking distance from the academy facilities). He would have no choice but to move out to Vancouver's academy at the other end of the country? That's dumb.

The players would naturally flow to the nearest, most convenient academy on their own. If the impact can pry away a prospect from Brampton then the kid probably has a really good reason for wanting to go there. No need for these rules.

MLS territory rules started in 2006, the Year TFC joined MLS.

•All players must reside in a team's "Home Territory" for at least one year prior to being added to the team's Home Grown Player List.

•Players must be added to an MLS team's Home Grown Player List prior to entering a four-year college, but can maintain their Home Grown Player status during college if registered before entering that institution.

•Members of the U17, U20, and U23 U.S. National Teams cannot be added to an MLS team's Home Grown Player List, but a player already on a Home Grown Player List can maintain that status if selected for a U.S. National team at a later date.

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"•All players must reside in a team's "Home Territory" for at least one year prior to being added to the team's Home Grown Player List."

So basically the rules are bogus? Could Vancouver not hypothetically have a kid come out and live in BC for a year prior to joining their list? I think that's okay. If a player wants to go to a club that bad and a club wants him that bad it should be able to happen.

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These rules are based on Europe (or just UK only?) where teams have a radius (1.5 hour drive??) for their club. Arsenal can't get a kid from Manchester, for example. Obviously there are ways around it as these academies have kids from all over the world. But it requires the family to live within the radius - so they up and move. This happened for a kid from California. He moved to the Barcelona academy La Masia from California. His whole family had to move - and they did. But where this is flawed is because in a place like Manchester you have overlap of many clubs competing for the same players. When you do this in MLS there is no competition. TFC effectively owns all the players even if they have no interest - despite the possibility of Vancouver or Montreal seeing value in that player.

I hear why people are upset by the rule. But I also understand why MLS is doing it. This rule also protects the clubs. If players could choose to play for any of the 3 MLS clubs you can all of a sudden see a whole slew of problems. This is also intended to foster local development of the clubs. If clubs are signing players from very near they trump up support through goodwill effectively. There are a lot of positive and negatives.

But I gotta say, these are kids we are talking about and I don't think they should be able to choose any academy. BUT, kids should be able to join any of the other 2 academies I'd suggest under the following circumstances;

-Kid from GTA contacts TFC and requests a trial. TFC refuses.

-Kid from GTA attends a trial with TFC and is released.

-Kid is signed to TFCA and is then released

...under those circumstances I'd suggest they could join either of the other two if either of the other two wants them. The same should apply to Whitecaps and TFC.

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