tmcmurph Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 http://www.whitecapsfc.com/news/2013/03/whitecaps-fc-launch-saskatchewan-academy-centre "With this new Academy Centre, players in Saskatchewan will be provided with greater opportunities to be scouted into Whitecaps FC development programs. Already this year, Saskatchewan-based players Ty Werbicki and Tyler Redl were in Vancouver to train with Whitecaps FC Residency teams. Whitecaps FC Saskatchewan Academy will operate through August with an abbreviated schedule of programs. The current U-15 and U-18 Prospects Academy teams will run through July and both will attend the Whitecaps FC College Showcase in March in Vancouver. Initially this spring, Whitecaps FC will also launch a U-10 and U-12 Prospects Academy program as well as a Skills Academy for boys and girls U-6 to U-14. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Is this free for the players or is like those training camps TFC does for youth players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 All these Whitecaps Academy Centres are pay-to-play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Good to hear. Montreal should set one up in Quebec city and/or Halifax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Tuscan was at the presser ... might be able to give some more detail that isn't included in the press release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoalieGrey Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 This is exciting for soccer in Western Canada, and good on the Whitecaps to do this...not only will it be good for players based in Saskatchewan, it gives players across the prairies an opportunity to grow, because I wouldn't be surprised to see players from Manitoba or Alberta moving to Saskatoon to take advantage of the program. Clearly, they did this because of Rob, Jeff and Lars' podcast, and realized there might be something to soccer in the flatlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Is it really something we should be lauding if its pay to play? Looks a lot like those march break and summer camps that TFC runs for a fee. More revenue generating and brand enhancement than player development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 This is exciting for soccer in Western Canada, and good on the Whitecaps to do this...not only will it be good for players based in Saskatchewan, it gives players across the prairies an opportunity to grow, because I wouldn't be surprised to see players from Manitoba or Alberta moving to Saskatoon to take advantage of the program. Clearly, they did this because of Rob, Jeff and Lars' podcast, and realized there might be something to soccer in the flatlands Yes we claim responsibility for all good things, disclaim all bad things, and therefore we obviously were a huge influence on the Caps' decision. And we will be talking about this on the podcast ... how could we not. Will have to pay attention to this thread ... will likely give us some good topics for episode 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystalyn Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Is it really something we should be lauding if its pay to play? Looks a lot like those march break and summer camps that TFC runs for a fee. More revenue generating and brand enhancement than player development. Any of the current skill training programs here in Saskatoon are all pay to play. Its no different then PTP or any of the other provincial programs that are currently the only options for kids to try to improve their skills and take it to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Any of the current skill training programs here in Saskatoon are all pay to play. Its no different then PTP or any of the other provincial programs that are currently the only options for kids to try to improve their skills and take it to the next level. Yeah, but those aren't run by the Whitecaps, so Narduch finds no joy in complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Out of curiosity, does anyone have any idea what type of qualifications the Whitecaps require for their academy coaches? I ask bc I have spoken to an academy coach from another MLS side and some of their coaches have very few credentials. There don't seem to be any standards in place which necessarily makes these academies any better than any other run-of-the-mill soccer schools out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystalyn Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Out of curiosity, does anyone have any idea what type of qualifications the Whitecaps require for their academy coaches? I don't know about their other coaches, but its easy enough to find out info on Bryce. He has been the coach of the Huskies for 9 years or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Yeah, but those aren't run by the Whitecaps, so Narduch finds no joy in complaining. Ins't he also complaining about how TFC does the pay for play thing with their training camps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I don't know about their other coaches, but its easy enough to find out info on Bryce. He has been the coach of the Huskies for 9 years or something like that. I believe Bryce not only has the highest coaching level for Canada, but also has a decent level from UEFA as well. He was overseas, possibly in England or Scotland, for a while, and only came back to Sask after attaining a coaching level beyond what he could in Canada. Now before anyone snipes in with the expected "Canadian coaching levels are garbage" obligatory post, the creds Bryce came back with are of a good level. And Crystalyn I don't think we've met yet, and it's rare I find another Saskatoon V so we will have to meet up for pint with another Saskatoon V who's a buddy of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Yeah, but those aren't run by the Whitecaps, so Narduch finds no joy in complaining. Bingo! on topic though I think its another step forward for development in Canadian soccer. which is always good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Yeah, but those aren't run by the Whitecaps, so Narduch finds no joy in complaining. Give me a break. Your so full of **** its nauseating. I'm just asking some honest questions. If that bothers the Whitecaps psychophants then so be it. This has nothing to do with the other issue. But I guess you can't have an honest discussion about your club because you are too defensive. Bingo! on topic though I think its another step forward for development in Canadian soccer. which is always good news. Wrong. But I'm not surprised by the circle jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I believe Bryce not only has the highest coaching level for Canada, but also has a decent level from UEFA as well. He was overseas, possibly in England or Scotland, for a while, and only came back to Sask after attaining a coaching level beyond what he could in Canada. Now before anyone snipes in with the expected "Canadian coaching levels are garbage" obligatory post, the creds Bryce came back with are of a good level. And Crystalyn I don't think we've met yet, and it's rare I find another Saskatoon V so we will have to meet up for pint with another Saskatoon V who's a buddy of mine. Nice. What about their academy program in Vancouver though? TBH, I haven't heard very good things about a few of the TFC academy coaches, though that's not to say it is the case across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Give me a break. Your so full of **** its nauseating. I'm just asking some honest questions. If that bothers the Whitecaps psychophants then so be it. This has nothing to do with the other issue. But I guess you can't have an honest discussion about your club because you are too defensive. Wrong. But I'm not surprised by the circle jerk. Do remember when you went away? I think I liked that guy better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Do remember when you went away? I think I liked that guy better. Ya, why debate the issue when you can be an ass. Congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Ya, why debate the issue when you can be an ass. Congrats. I've been politely debating this issue for some time. I'm actually the only Caps supporter who posts on here regularly who is not taking this personally. I've always been a V first. You are a Debbie Downer. You have nothing positive to say about anything. It's always bitching and moaning. And, to your credit, it's not always about the Whitecaps. I've quoted your posts and engaged a couple of discussions recently and they been ignored. The last couple are really just a farce, because you clearly have no interest in impartially discussing anything. You're a dark cloud who just wants piss on anything and everything. Massive Attack was a little more fun. That's all I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I've been politely debating this issue for some time. I'm actually the only Caps supporter who posts on here regularly who is not taking this personally. I've always been a V first. You are a Debbie Downer. You have nothing positive to say about anything. It's always bitching and moaning. And, to your credit, it's not always about the Whitecaps. I've quoted your posts and engaged a couple of discussions recently and they been ignored. The last couple are really just a farce, because you clearly have no interest in impartially discussing anything. You're a dark cloud who just wants piss on anything and everything. Massive Attack was a little more fun. That's all I meant. I'm only negative because the issues are negative. I would like nothing more than to see Canada performing well, TFC performing well and Canadian players being treated fairly in MLS (the rules are discriminatory, that cannot be denied). As for not responding to you, I apologize, but sometimes I can't be on the forums and posts just slip by over time. I don't remember ever being fun though. I recall leaving this site because I couldn't stand one of the moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I suppose the question is whether this academy centre actually adds a source of elite training to Saskatoon that wasn't there before, or improves an existing source. I don't live in Saskatoon; I cannot possibly say. Pay-to-play is far, far better than nothing when it fills a niche, especially since the fees aren't horrendous by the standards I'm familiar with (2x $250 plus kit and gear). But if it's just another competitor in a crowded marketplace, the advantage would be lesser. I wonder if anyone familiar with the soccer community can offer some insight. EDIT: the fees aren't horrendous. That's a bit of an important mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I suppose the question is whether this academy centre actually adds a source of elite training to Saskatoon that wasn't there before, or improves an existing source. I don't live in Saskatoon; I cannot possibly say. Pay-to-play is far, far better than nothing when it fills a niche, especially since the fees are horrendous by the standards I'm familiar with (2x $250 plus kit and gear). But if it's just another competitor in a crowded marketplace, the advantage would be lesser. I wonder if anyone familiar with the soccer community can offer some insight. Hopefully Tuscan will weigh in on this as he knows a lot of the pertinent detail. However, I can tell you that they have partnered with an existing Soccer academy that also includes a public school setup. I believe it is the only one of its kind in Saskatoon but this does not mean that there aren't other elite clubs to fill out the landscape. It does mean that it won't be a completely new entity but instead an addition or enhancement (perhaps) to an existing one. This suggest (to me at least) that it won't be an overcrowding situation as the academy was in existence already ... if the landscape was crowded it was already crowded, and if not, no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I believe Bryce not only has the highest coaching level for Canada, but also has a decent level from UEFA as well. He was overseas, possibly in England or Scotland, for a while, and only came back to Sask after attaining a coaching level beyond what he could in Canada. Now before anyone snipes in with the expected "Canadian coaching levels are garbage" obligatory post, the creds Bryce came back with are of a good level. Are you sure? I'm not knocking the guy, just curious. According to the Huskies website, he only holds a Canada B license (which I have recently discovered is the highest anyone who has qualified outside of Canada is allowed to receive as equivalent by the CSA, even if they hold a UEFA A, which is a joke). http://www.huskies.usask.ca/Staff/bryce_chapman/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Are you sure? I'm not knocking the guy, just curious. According to the Huskies website, he only holds a Canada B license (which I have recently discovered is the highest anyone who has qualified outside of Canada is allowed to receive as equivalent by the CSA, even if they hold a UEFA A, which is a joke). http://www.huskies.usask.ca/Staff/bryce_chapman/index.php To your earlier question, U16 manager Craig Darymple and U18 Gordon Forrest both have UEFA A licenses. As does Marius Rodve who works with both first team and academy keepers. I don't know how involved they will be, if at all, but if they were to take these teams into the USSDA, I'm sure they would hire new licensed coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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