Jcm144 Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The CSA is looking to hire a Business Development Department Intern in Ottawa. It is a 4 month term, from May to August. If you want to look up details, the job posting is here. apply soon, the deadline is March 17th. http://www.sirc.ca/doc_uploads/jobs/20130214_Business_Development_Intern_EN.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 You have students in Ottawa? Internship = unpaid labour for four months at 35 hours a week? I ask because there does not seem to be any mention of pay but a lot of mention of expected work. (If so, I'd be very disappointed given where money is going in the organization... yes I understand 'volunteerism' is important for soccer in Canada but this is an actual term contract and way too many young Canadians are doing work that should be paid for but is labelled as 'intern' and therefore exploitable work...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I doubt it is a voulenteer position. As a recent university graduate who has spent a lot of time searching and applying for internships, I have never come across a job advertisement that listed compensation. You find those details out after you get the positon. It is likely the same case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Damn if only I could lift 50 pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 You have students in Ottawa? Internship = unpaid labour for four months at 35 hours a week? Is it paid or unpaid? I couldn't tell. I'm a student living in Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If it is unpaid, I say shame on the CSA. No government organization should be taking advantage of young people through unpaid internships. I can understand if this was a tech. start-up with very little to no capital. However, the CSA? No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 MLS has some summer internships being advertised on their site, based in NYC, including one for law school students. Not sure if they'd take a Canadian but it could be worth looking into for anyone still in school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 How is it taking advantage? Its not like they're going to bait and switch anyone from thinking its a paid job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 The point is that there are a lot of 'unpaid' internships that offer 'work experience' as compensation - but this is a general trend of the economy for MANY young Canadians (and no we are not all going to Alberta to be oil workers or part of an oil economy, nor should anyone actually think that is possible or healthy for the economy). There are less and less chances to start a professional career at a reasonable age, one of the reasons is that where people used to enter the work force in these types of positions, many have been turned into 'internships'. It means little to no security that you could be hired on after (though that is downgraded to a 'possibility', which one is to be grateful about) and depending on the internship, but often at best, a lower than starting wage with no benefits and your time with the internship does not count as part of the wage-scale. Many young Canadians have student debts, in large part because public per student funding has sharply declined (and a post-secondary education is a per-requisite for many jobs; not because it is useful to those jobs - not something young Canadians control), and cannot afford to work for nothing but also cannot compete for the jobs because they do not have qualified experience. The result is that those who do not need to work for money can get internships, make the potential contacts that could lead to a job, and enter the professional workforce. Those who had to start working at minimum wage jobs miss these opportunities and get stuck, with their debts, in lower paying jobs. Even if you are not concerned about equality, you should be concerned that this economic system does not ensure the best people are getting the positions, just the ones who can afford to get into them. That would be why I am concerned whether or not the CSA is providing a fair-wage to this work - I want the best candidate for the position to be able to take it on. I think the CSA needs qualified people, not just privileged people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I've confirmed that it is an unpaid internship. Work 35 hours for 4 months for nothing. Yes a lot of soccer in Canada happens because of volunteering, I've volunteered as a coach, Jamie volunteers countless hours for the voyageurs, as do so many others, but this is a 'job' that the CSA is getting done for free because the person doing it is a young Canadian, shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Well as much as elmateo wants to paraphrase a Zack de la Rocha song and rant against our capitalist overloads, this is a soccer forum and we could do without political opinion. It's work experience which I'm sure would serve a student very well as many Universities require an internship as a component of their program. Anyway, everyone is free to hate on the CSA, dial down the class warfare hyperbole. It's a soccer forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I've confirmed that it is an unpaid internship. I hadn't called or emailed them. I was going to. Thank you for the heads-up. I shall not be applying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 These days it sometimes takes a person to work for free to get their foot in the door for a future job/career or even know whether they like it or not. I know of a semi-active Voyageur who is going to law school in Edinburgh and has done stints in St Vincent, Belgium and now non-league English football making either nothing or very little to get experience in the business. Is that right? Well if someone is willing to do it for the experience & CV, why not? Ditto for the CSA job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Sorry Califax but I disagree that important issues should not be commented on. People have different perspectives but you can choose to read the post or not; not whether they should be censured or not for others. Obviously the position will be filled by someone willing to take it; that does not mean that it is right or should not be criticized. That type of thinking is how Canadian soccer as an organized sport has ended up where it is today. Whether or not a 'soccer forum' should be political or not is bizarre, how soccer is run anywhere is highly political and always is part of the ways people more broadly interact. Or do you think Sepp Blatter is President of FIFA because he is a nice guy? Or that the same guys keep turning up running local soccer even though the results for our kids has been less than successful is only about 'soccer'? Everything is infused with politics and if the supporters forum - A PLACE OF DISCUSSION - is not the place to discuss the politics that revolves around the sport which we are all engaged with, then we are really really screwed. On topic: Unpaid internships are wrong, are not for a direction in Canada or soccer in Canada. It is an opinion - obviously if someone disagrees and wants to pass the summer working full time without compensation then they will apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 And here I thought this would cut down on sensationalizing something over which you have zero control. Rant away, but if I were on a co-op term and had to secure an internship as a condition of my school, I would be knocking down the door to get it. And I'm sure that is exactly what is going to happen. Btw I spent the last 4 months meeting with students, student groups, college & university presidents and administrators and not one of them bitched about un paid internships, so I'm not really sure for whom you claim to be speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I am a student, very interested in soccer, and live in Ottawa; someone else here has already said they wont be applying because the job will not pay. It's obviously an issue. If you are using your experience as 'proof' it should have a bit more context - everyone interacts with students regularly, if you haven't realized that getting decently paid for work is a major concern for students then I'm not sure what you are talking tot them about. I'm also not sure why you thought making personal attacks would lead to silence on a soccer forum... its really like soccer supporters to respond to direct insults with silence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I am a student, very interested in soccer, and live in Ottawa; someone else here has already said they wont be applying because the job will not pay. It's obviously an issue. If you are using your experience as 'proof' it should have a bit more context - everyone interacts with students regularly, if you haven't realized that getting decently paid for work is a major concern for students then I'm not sure what you are talking tot them about. I'm also not sure why you thought making personal attacks would lead to silence on a soccer forum... its really like soccer supporters to respond to direct insults with silence... There were no personal attacks. I don't know anything about you to deliver a personal attack. In fact, the only thing I know about you is that your personal opinion on alleged inequalities in the job market (based on past experience perhaps?) have nothing to do with reality nor anything to do with a position that you have no intention of taking. I also think that despite your best intentions to alter peoples perception of the world in which we live, anyone who needs an internship should consider them, unpaid or otherwise, as they quite often lead to employment. Those of us who have been students, worked an unpaid internship, and worked a different job to supplement income, know that sometimes (and especially as a student) you have to prove yourself before someone is willing to pay you for your services. If this is not for you, then fine. If its deemed not to be off topic, then fine. But if you insist on basing your point of view on a political ideology, as your post clearly does, then I will draw attention to that. Next game you are at, I'll buy you a beer and we can shoot the **** about the problems with post-secondary education, but I'm done with this for now because, as I'm sure you're well aware, this has nothing to do with "Men's National Team and Players". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I am a student, very interested in soccer, and live in Ottawa; someone else here has already said they wont be applying because the job will not pay. It's obviously an issue. If you are using your experience as 'proof' it should have a bit more context - everyone interacts with students regularly, if you haven't realized that getting decently paid for work is a major concern for students then I'm not sure what you are talking tot them about. I'm also not sure why you thought making personal attacks would lead to silence on a soccer forum... its really like soccer supporters to respond to direct insults with silence... Kudos elmanteo on the repectful way you have conducted your dialogue with Califax despite repeated provocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macksam Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 How is it taking advantage? Its not like they're going to bait and switch anyone from thinking its a paid job... They're taking advantage of the fact young people are desperate for jobs and will work for nothing. I hadn't called or emailed them. I was going to. Thank you for the heads-up. I shall not be applying. What university do you go to? I ask because some, like Ryerson, compensate students for unpaid internships. I would contact your institution's career services department to find out if this is a possibility. And here I thought this would cut down on sensationalizing something over which you have zero control. Rant away, but if I were on a co-op term and had to secure an internship as a condition of my school, I would be knocking down the door to get it. And I'm sure that is exactly what is going to happen. Btw I spent the last 4 months meeting with students, student groups, college & university presidents and administrators and not one of them bitched about un paid internships, so I'm not really sure for whom you claim to be speaking. I didn't bitch either when I did one. That doesn't mean I had no issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcm144 Posted February 28, 2013 Author Share Posted February 28, 2013 I posted this internship I found, not knowing too much about it. I am a student who is very interested in the sports business industry. Since it was in Ottawa, I thought it wasn't for me considering I live in Toronto. In this day and age, students are trying to break into their industry. Many ways the best possible way to break in is through an internship whether it is paid or not. Many of my fellow students have interned at different business, then later get hired by that same business following graduation. I myself am doing a part-time unpaid internship at Mattamy Athletic Centre, which is Ryerson University's new Athletic Facility and of course the (Old Maple Leaf Gardens) doing sales and marketing. I like it, because I am getting industry experience and its feeding the passion I have. I believe getting that experience will end up getting me a highly paid internship in the industry this summer. I do think full-time unpaid internships do compensate you with some sort of salary, like $500 a month, (dont quote me, I could be wrong).Call it as you see it, whether that is businesses taking advantage of free labour or an opportunity for a student to launch themselves into their particular field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakTFC Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Unpaid internships are technically illegal in Canada but its a common practice regardless. My girlfriend did her Masters' thesis on it and I happen to know the Ministry of Labour is very interested in this topic right now. Hopefully this becomes a thing of the past and organizations begin to pay at the very least, minimum wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Unpaid internships are technically illegal in Canada but its a common practice regardless. My girlfriend did her Masters' thesis on it and I happen to know the Ministry of Labour is very interested in this topic right now. Hopefully this becomes a thing of the past and organizations begin to pay at the very least, minimum wage. Interesting talk about internships here. http://lawofwork.ca/?p=2169 Anyone who takes the internship might want to consult with these folks. http://www.internassociation.ca/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Let's make sure the interns are paid....and then bitch when the <insert age group> team gets one less camp to prepare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 Or the CSA could raise national member fees by 10 cents and have more than enough to cover the wage of an working employee... and probably run another camp for <insert age group> team. Assuming that there is not legitimate waste or somewhere else within the organization where resources could be more adequately managed. It is not an either or question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 ^ It's not up to them, the provinces said no to increases a few years ago. So barring a bailout from the IMF and the World Bank the CSA will just have to live within their means... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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