msilverstein47 Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 the Commish speaks... http://www.bigapplesoccer.com/leagues/nasl2.php?article_id=32823 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmd Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I can see NASL, becoming a challenge to MLS in the next 10 years. I wish some of the clubs in MLS never left NASL, Montreal, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver. Who's to say they won't come back one day. I like that each team negotiates their own Spots apparel...Nike, Puma, Umbro...etc. Gives more of a pro feel. Their is no salary cap, but I hope they never get into the mess the OLD NASL got themselves into...paying crazy Salaries and trying to grow the League too fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 I can see NASL, becoming a challenge to MLS in the next 10 years. I wish some of the clubs in MLS never left NASL, Montreal, Portland, Seattle and Vancouver. Who's to say they won't come back one day. I like that each team negotiates their own Spots apparel...Nike, Puma, Umbro...etc. Gives more of a pro feel. Their is no salary cap, but I hope they never get into the mess the OLD NASL got themselves into...paying crazy Salaries and trying to grow the League too fast. Honestly, for me, 15-20 years down the road if there IS stability, I could see the NASL being a league that the MLS relegates to and promotes from, similar to Europe. It's not out of the sphere of possibility, some sort of merger. Especially given the growth already over the last 10 years, if it continues, then I think NASL DOES become stable. Adding potentially successful franchises is already generating more interest in the brand among footie fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Worth a note that the Cosmos most recent aquisition Hunter Freeman was also on the Revolutions Radar, but chose the Cosmos in an lower League. Also for 60 mins on Sunday the Rowdies kept pace with DCU, in the Mickey Mouse cup. You could say that United weren't trying that hard, but then again the same could be said for the Rowdies. Still, I would agree that 10-15 years for Parity would be at least a minimum.; but that would be less of an issue really, rather fixing these 'local' teams within the conciousness of the community in which they reside would be the main desire at present. Once Racing Indiana FC is as much a habit, as say the Indy 500, Or more so Edmonton putting 8K in a 10K venue then NASL could be considered a sucess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmd Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I guess 10 years was a bit of a stretch. What NASL really needs is for the NY Cosmo's to be successful, and not leave the NASL in the Future. And for them to promote the league as Beckham did for MLS. And the Disney Tourney may not be big , but if the NASL teams can beat the MLS teams that would be a step in the right direction...as long as it's not against the IMPACT..LOL! And The NASL needs to do well in the CONCACAF CL over the MLS teams like PR Islanders did and Montreal b4 moving to MLS. I guess everything takes time. But the signs look encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Well the Cosmos has a stated desire to compete in the highest level posibble, but they may well mean Concacaf champions league rather than MLS. The Cosmos model does not fit the collective rights model operated by MLS. Ergo "Get yer hands of our cosmos merchendise money!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmd Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 That's where the NASL model might interest some of the successful MLS clubs to move over to NASL. Why should there be a Collective Model. They don't have in it EPL, Serie A, La Liga and Bundesliga. If the Cosmos sell more merchandise than FC Edmonton, than kudos on them. Sport is still a business. The strong survive, and the ones with money can attract better talent. Now I don't want to see Majer League Baseball Salaries cause no athlete is worth 10's of millions. But I don't like the control that MLS has over it's teams and signings. As an owner maybe I can make more signing with PUMA?? Why do I need to Adidas kits. You think Saputo wants Adidas kits. With the connections he has in Italy, I'm sure Legea, Marcon,Diadora or Lotto. Think of the money he would have generated for his own team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Edmonton have an adidas kit, but it was "designed" for them rather than been a cookie cutter of someone elses Kit. Scorpions use Nike and there are others in the League, Not Least the Umbro Green of NYC. If Comos sell enough of them to get good player in then so be it. Thats just free market economics. Not how the new man at the Stars has the purchasing power to bring in some relative big guns to improve their chances. compare that with Colin Millars remit at edmonton to bring on Canadian Talent as much as posible whilst having the lattitude to go fishing in the Irish league. One thing to Note the EPL does sell some rights on behalf of the clubs in the EPL, but its the clubs who decide if the deal is right for the clubs not the league. Any none football related rule changes also have to be sanctioned by the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 That's where the NASL model might interest some of the successful MLS clubs to move over to NASL. Why should there be a Collective Model. They don't have in it EPL, Serie A, La Liga and Bundesliga. If the Cosmos sell more merchandise than FC Edmonton, than kudos on them. Sport is still a business. The strong survive, and the ones with money can attract better talent. Now I don't want to see Majer League Baseball Salaries cause no athlete is worth 10's of millions. But I don't like the control that MLS has over it's teams and signings. As an owner maybe I can make more signing with PUMA?? Why do I need to Adidas kits. You think Saputo wants Adidas kits. With the connections he has in Italy, I'm sure Legea, Marcon,Diadora or Lotto. Think of the money he would have generated for his own team! I understand and support the collective model for a new league. You aren't going to get too far with only three competitive teams to play against. That might work in Europe, where everyone is soccer crazy, but you have to understand, they are trying to build a soccer culture in North America at the same time. So revenue sharing in that regard makes sense, so that you can develop new fans all across the northern part of the continent, not just 3 cities. However yeah...MLS's control over teams and signings is a little much, everyone can basically agree on that. Give them time, though, and I think they will relax the rules a bit in the next 10 years. If they are stating they want to be a top 10 league worldwide (right now they are ranked 37th I believe), then they will eventually have to get rid of the DP rule, or at the very least increase the minimums and maximums to allow bigger market teams to bring more high quality names through the system. For now, it's important they still have minimum standards for local content. It can be difficult to generate fan enthusiasm based off of 30 guys from Scotland playing on your team. Vancouver is doing fine with it, and Kudos, but in many places to generate a soccer culture you need a touch of grass roots feel, and local content to cheer for and generate fan interest on many levels. That's what I believe. But as the MLS grows and matures, the shackles WILL have to come off to a degree. It's just not time yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Remember that the European work time directives have essentially Killed a lot of home grown development in the UK. the PFA can no longer control the flow of european players into the EPL and championship. I too would hate to see the NASL go the way the EPL did with Money been thrown about in some fiscal P*ssing contest, but on the other hand I like to think that Edmonton is playing against teams with their own fan culture and Ownership making its own choices of who they are going to add to the roster rather than been an Identikit version of my team playing out of somewhere else in either Canada or the USA . Heck if that means I have to put up with that Idiototic comentary duo from Raleigh (biggest Homers since the ILLIAD was written,) who neither know nor care where the oposition hails from, then so be it. Oh and I like the Combine, as away of showcasing unattached players, but I would hate a draft. Reminds me too much of school days in the North of England (anyone seen the football games lesson in the film KES?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Remember that the European work time directives have essentially Killed a lot of home grown development in the UK. the PFA can no longer control the flow of european players into the EPL and championship. I too would hate to see the NASL go the way the EPL did with Money been thrown about in some fiscal P*ssing contest, but on the other hand I like to think that Edmonton is playing against teams with their own fan culture and Ownership making its own choices of who they are going to add to the roster rather than been an Identikit version of my team playing out of somewhere else in either Canada or the USA . Heck if that means I have to put up with that Idiototic comentary duo from Raleigh (biggest Homers since the ILLIAD was written,) who neither know nor care where the oposition hails from, then so be it. Oh and I like the Combine, as away of showcasing unattached players, but I would hate a draft. Reminds me too much of school days in the North of England (anyone seen the football games lesson in the film KES?) On the bright side Edmonton plays plenty of CanCon, so we don't have to worry too much about THEM being Identikit. But having 20 teams being competitive is working to create a feasible MLS. Wait, 19 teams, sorry TFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmd Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 What would be an amazing scenario is the CSA & USSF agree that NASL can have a max of 50% of teams in Canada. Would it happen, I don't think so. But would be nice to see the strongest Canadian Clubs have a league to play in other than D3 if they fulfill NASL requirments, and have the money for the extra travel that would be needed. I think Canada and the US both need to understand that they need each other to have soccer become a success in North America. All you need to do is look at MLS, and see that Van, Mtl & T.O are one of their top attended clubs. Without the Canadian teams I'm sure the average per game attendance would drop drastically. And it would be interesting to know what the average attendance was b4 the BECKHAM experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 On the bright side Edmonton plays plenty of CanCon, so we don't have to worry too much about THEM being Identikit. But having 20 teams being competitive is working to create a feasible MLS. Wait, 19 teams, sorry TFC. Yeah I understand. Problem for me is that I find it hard to determine who is in charge of the MLS teams. The League or the clubs themselves. Having another team owner nix your potential recruits seems very strange. As for the Quality of the talent it can be faulted. Imagine SAF been told that resigning Ronaldo isn't allowed because Wengers bunch at the Arse, said no. I still can't recocile a League with 19 clubs playing 34 games. someone, somewhere is getting a favourable schedule. I not perticulary happy with the split season of the NASL either, as the Cosmos will get to start the summer with a fresh squad, but at least each team will play each other twice either side of the break. Looking forwards to an Edmonton Soccerbowl in Late October.... bring yer thermals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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