nolando Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 February 6 2013 HON 2 USA 1 It still stings but it's somewhat satisfying to see that the US only scored one goal in Honduras too. http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/news/newsid=2002665/index.html MEX 0 JAM 0 What a result! In Azteca no less! PAN 2 CR 2 Parity in CONCACAF? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1519401-mexico-vs-jamaica-scores-grades-and-post-match-reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 These results must make the US nervous. Long way to go, but it's going to be tough to get out of this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 I agree, but 4th place gets New Zealand, right? Much better than Uruguay or Ecuador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 To quote from the other topic Both the USA and Canada are struggling to produce certain types of players. To be frank: the wide play generally sucks, the #10 position leaves a lot to be desired. The forwards are normally of the variety where you need to feed them the ball in very specific situations to score, otherwise forget about them creating anything themselves. Basically, we are lacking some creativity (with a few notable exceptions of course). Honduras might not have footballers that are as good on an absolute level, but as a team they possess some of the creativity the USMNT and CMNT are lacking. Something that should be noted. Watching some of the goals scored last night just showed how far behind we are from the Central American teams in terms of creativity (or at least thinking about creativity). Bicycle kicks aside, the second Panama goal, with Marcos Sanchez (who plays for Tauro, and in my judgment of relevance, doesn't even have a wiki page) just with an unreal turn to get by two defenders before drilling a cross in off one of the other mids. I could only help but think if it was us, we would've either taken the ball to the corner flag or just passed it off to the wingback for a cross into a host of bodies. (e: goal at like 0:10 of this vid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA4CXmjeqco) When's the last time we scored a goal from free play against a good (ie mid-level CONCACAF and above) team? Was it Dunfield against Ecuador? That was like two years ago at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 To quote from the other topic Watching some of the goals scored last night just showed how far behind we are from the Central American teams in terms of creativity. Bicycle kicks aside, the second Panama goal, with Marcos Sanchez (who plays for Tauro, and in my judgment of relevance, doesn't even have a wiki page) just with an unreal turn to get by two defenders before drilling a cross in off one of the other mids. I could only help but think if it was us, we would've either taken the ball to the corner flag or just passed it off to the wingback for a cross into a host of bodies. (e: goal at like 0:10 of this vid - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA4CXmjeqco) When's the last time we scored a goal from free play against a good (ie mid-level CONCACAF and above) team? Was it Dunfield against Ecuador? That was like two years ago at this point. This is so sad but so true. I know the bicycle goal was stupendous but it left me thinking 'When would we ever do that? ... When would we even attempt that?' If you let that trickle down to our approaches to the offensive side of games I think it plays out exactly as you have said above Aub. We desperately need the creativity to create goal-scoring situations. I remember watching the Gold Cup in 2007 (at least I think it was 2007 and I can't remember the opponent ... a lot of fuzzy memory here) and a long ball was played into DeRo making a run down the left side of the area. From a near impossible angle he volleyed the pass in the short side as the keeper was sneaking out anticipating a pass. As much as DeRo isn't necessarily everyone's fave, if we could bottle some of the good parts of that play ... the creativity, skill, and mojo perhaps ... and inject it into our attacking players then we would have something. I think to a large extent, that is what many teams have, and what we desperately need. (Gerba played very well in that Gold Cup as well if memory serves, and to some extent I think he possesses some similar qualities). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 It was against Haiti and it was more of a half volley ... on the bounce. At 4:20 here: Apologies for hijacking the thread. To get it back on track, pretty conflicted about the Hon v USA game. Isn't it possible for them both to lose somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Kids who attempt things like bicycle kicks are filtered out of the system. Inventiveness if for art students, and is not quantifiable in a stats column when determining who getting a sports scholarship. Don't think its just a NA problem. The same thinking has applied in the UK for decades, only we import or overhead kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I remember watching the Gold Cup in 2007 (at least I think it was 2007 and I can't remember the opponent ... a lot of fuzzy memory here) and a long ball was played into DeRo making a run down the left side of the area. From a near impossible angle he volleyed the pass in the short side as the keeper was sneaking out anticipating a pass. As much as DeRo isn't necessarily everyone's fave, if we could bottle some of the good parts of that play ... the creativity, skill, and mojo perhaps ... and inject it into our attacking players then we would have something. I think to a large extent, that is what many teams have, and what we desperately need. (Gerba played very well in that Gold Cup as well if memory serves, and to some extent I think he possesses some similar qualities). I think that was a meaningless WCQ game against Guatemala way back in 2004. As for creative players, one of the problems is that we don't know how to treat these players. I've seen people attack De Rosario with the complaint that 'he gives the ball away too much'. But you want your creative players to challenge defenders. Not be attacked by stupid fans every time they aren't succesful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 These results must make the US nervous. Long way to go, but it's going to be tough to get out of this group. Considering that both of the other matches ended in ties, the US shouldn't really worry that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I think that was a meaningless WCQ game against Guatemala way back in 2004. As for creative players, one of the problems is that we don't know how to treat these players. I've seen people attack De Rosario with the complaint that 'he gives the ball away too much'. But you want your creative players to challenge defenders. Not be attacked by stupid fans every time they aren't successful. To move the thread slightly off-topic again, I see this all the time with Hawk fans attacking Patrick Kane and I crack up. And its true here as well. We see people always complain that Canada never makes an incisive through ball or make a one on one play at a defender, but when they give it away its 'ah look at that guy just kill the flow of attack, what a poor passer, what a ballhog etc' Even look at the goals that Honduras scored against us back in October; free-flowing, forward attack play. To go back to the Gold Cup '07 example, how many top notch goals did we score in that tournament? De Guzman's finesse shot against CR, the Gerba passing play goal against Guatemala, even Hume's goal against the US. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I'm trying to track down the De Rosario goal from 2004. It was amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Think its the one at 3:50 of this vid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Watching the US defense on the two goals they gave up to Honduras is strangely making me feel better - if they defended like that throughout the game its amazing they didn't give up 8 goals in Honduras themselves. What the hell were they all doing on those plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Think its the one at 3:50 of this vid That's the one! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 The one I was talking about was the one in the video that I posted ... will have to watch the 2004 one ... not sure I know that one. And Aub, I couldn't agree more ... where did that verve go? 2007 was such a fun Gold Cup (except for the conclusion of course). We went forward with some real attacking purpose and skill ... so much fun to watch ... many of the same players but now it's very static and uncreative (and sad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Could be a very exciting Hex this time round, could go down to the last matches if these scores keep up. Oh how I would love for either the US or Mexico to miss the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 You know bringing players up through the academies, if you are planning to stifle creativity at every level, who are stifling their ability to learn to be creative as well. Coaches of young players really need to be mindful of that. As someone posted in another thread, the kids in Brazil playing with no supervision, well the ones able to do sick dribbling moves with alittle ballhogging become the heroes. Think Rucker Park in the USA. Learn creativity and ability early, then convert it to proper tactical when a little older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 You know bringing players up through the academies, if you are planning to stifle creativity at every level, who are stifling their ability to learn to be creative as well. Coaches of young players really need to be mindful of that. As someone posted in another thread, the kids in Brazil playing with no supervision, well the ones able to do sick dribbling moves with alittle ballhogging become the heroes. Think Rucker Park in the USA. Learn creativity and ability early, then convert it to proper tactical when a little older. I'd rather do it the German way. Learn and be able to execute basics first. Once you can do the basics and understand the game, creativity will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'd rather do it the German way. Learn and be able to execute basics first. Once you can do the basics and understand the game, creativity will follow. I guess you can't argue with German results. Can't much argue with Brazil results either. I just checked the FIFA ranking, man hosting the World Cup is really hurting their FIFA ranking they aren't get any matches worth good world ranking points! Damn those FIFA rankings can be stupid at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I guess you can't argue with German results. Can't much argue with Brazil results either. I just checked the FIFA ranking, man hosting the World Cup is really hurting their FIFA ranking they aren't get any matches worth good world ranking points! Damn those FIFA rankings can be stupid at times. They can be, although the only useful thing that they are ever used for (that I'm aware of) is seeding for WC qualifying and the WC final draw. Since Brazil isn't involved in the former and are guaranteed a top seed for the latter, their FIFA ranking really doesn't matter. That said, this has to be the weakest Brazil team in my lifetime. Their ranking seems a bit low, but at the same time their squad isn't up there with Spain, Germany, Italy and Argentina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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