Canada1 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 With all the crazy news coming out about soccer match fixing across the globe. I have to wonder if the match in Honduras might be under investigation. The score and the reaction from many of the players just does not add up. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/uk-football-matchfixing-idUKBRE9130BL20130204?feedType=RSS&feedName=sportsNews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I find it highly unlikely that any of our veteran players would give up their last chance at a World Cup for any monetary amount, let alone a fraction of some of their yearly salaries. "We have evidence for 150 of these cases, and the operations were run out of Singapore with bribes of up to 100,000 euros paid per match," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 I don't know whether to call this "wishful thinking" or not. I mean, it's possible, and don't ever fool yourself into thinking that Canadians wouldn't do that kind of thing or that this game was too important to be thrown; remember the Merlion Cup. But it does seem pretty unlikely, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada1 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Share Posted February 4, 2013 And the world was fooled by Armstrong for so many years for cheating. There is an investigation into one Central American WCQ. Your probably right but It is getting hard to believe or trust anything now adays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Neither of those examples are accurate comparisons. Merlion Cup was a friendly tournament that meant nothing. Lance Armstrong cheated to win, cheating to LOSE is completely different. Anyways, there is only one, maybe two defenders who had the financial motive, have at least one WC cycle ahead of them and whose play was horrendous that game. Both of whom have relatives who have posted on this site so you might want to tread lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Possible? Yes anything is possible. Likely? No. You wouldn't have to cover a point spread by that much. I mean how much was bet that Honduras would win by more than 4 goals? If you were going to throw a game you wouldn't make it that obvious. That just attracts attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 8-1 makes it, I think less likely the game was fixed. If there were a lot of money bet on a spread like that and it happened it would set off immediate an obvious alarm bells. They do look for this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Neither of those examples are accurate comparisons. Merlion Cup was a friendly tournament that meant nothing. Lance Armstrong cheated to win, cheating to LOSE is completely different. Anyways, there is only one, maybe two defenders who had the financial motive, have at least one WC cycle ahead of them and whose play was horrendous that game. Both of whom have relatives who have posted on this site so you might want to tread lightly. There is nothing in that article to say what it means. It could have been the women's games. It could involve the Canadian team but it doesn't mean they had anything to do with it. (ie Bulgarian Ref awhile back, in fact it might even be referring to that given it was public and proven) It's all very vague so let's be careful what we imply as jpg says above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeelaw Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 8-1 makes it, I think less likely the game was fixed. If there were a lot of money bet on a spread like that and it happened it would set off immediate an obvious alarm bells. They do look for this stuff. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Even says in the article that its matches from 2008-2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Even says in the article that its matches from 2008-2011. Pffft.. You expect us to actually read stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think all the valid arguments have been made as to why the 8-1 game was highly unlikely to have been fixed and not even relevant to the timeline of the article. Despite the humiliation of such a defeat, some players may feel much more offended by the suggestion they might have lost on purpose. I can't see anything productive about keeping this thread open. I suggest that this thread be locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 If players don't want hurtful things said about them, don't lose 8-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 No, we ARE that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodgkiss Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 i think the game most of us thought was fixed was the panama vs honduras match before our final match. ended a 0-0 draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 i think the game most of us thought was fixed was the panama vs honduras match before our final match. ended a 0-0 draw. If most of us thought that game was fixed it is certainly news to me and probably most others here. 0-0 is pretty reasonable score for a Panama-Honduras game. The result suited Panama a lot more than it did Honduras so I do not see why there would be any agreement to fix the game so Honduras could face elimination if they failed to win their next game. There have been a lot of funny things in CONCACAF WCQ in years gone by that made me question whether things were fixed or refs were paid off but I did not see anything in this WCQ that seemed unfair and for the most part the reffing was good in every game. Indeed the only crappy ref we got was in our home game against our easiest opponent. Even in UEFA qualifying you will probably get one poor ref in 6 games so to get one poor ref in 6 CONCACAF games in the precise game where it would effect the result the least is pretty decent. Yes Occean's red was harsh but it was still a stupid undisciplined action on his part and it is not totally surprising that a Puerto Rican ref would red card that. And that is the only major call I can think of that I can dispute. Not to mention that the draw this time was favourable to us and did not look suspicious like many previous CONCACAF draws. This was the one WCQ in CONCACAF that seemed fair and above board in pretty much every way. There is nothing in our two rounds of WCQ this time around that seemed fixed or questionable. We were full measure for getting eliminated on our own merit or lack of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 There was a pretty solid lack of goal interest in the opposition third from both sides in that Panama/Honduras game, but I'd call that more logical tactics (considering both teams correctly assumed they'd advanced based on getting a result from the next match) than fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 If people think the 8-1 game was fixed, then you'd probably want to ask whether the recent 0-0 draw we had with the US was fixed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Up next we're going to find out every win ever was fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 There was a pretty solid lack of goal interest in the opposition third from both sides in that Panama/Honduras game, but I'd call that more logical tactics (considering both teams correctly assumed they'd advanced based on getting a result from the next match) than fixing. Even that is not true. A tie would put Panama through barring us scoring a very high number of goals against Cuba so they played more not to lose than to win. A tie was not very good for Honduras at all because tie or lose they faced the same task of beating us as opposed to only needing a tie if they won (depending on goal differential). There is no way Honduras would agree with Panama to a tie when it did not help them and made their last game very risky. And I am pretty sure they were not betting their whole WCQ campaign on an assumption that they could automatically beat us at home. I watched that game and Honduras attacked while Panama played conservatively. Honduras had a number of excellent scoring chances which they just missed or were well saved. This was not a game of two teams playing for 0-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 If it makes anyone feel better, US **** the bed at Honduras, losing 2-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 If it makes anyone feel better, US **** the bed at Honduras, losing 2-1 It actually does not. 8-1 is still 8-1. And I'd rather any team make it to WC from the six that are left, except for Honduras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 If it makes anyone feel better, US **** the bed at Honduras, losing 2-1 I really don't think you can call that s**ting the bed ... Honduras is a good team, they were at home, and the U.S. is a little overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 If it makes anyone feel better, US **** the bed at Honduras, losing 2-1 Oddly it does. Not that I have any love for Honduras and really didn't care but seeing the Yanks get zero points in their first outing sort of makes me less hate filled for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanovski94 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I watched the Yanks game and i might be Canadian but the Yanks are our "friends" and i hate honduras way too much to see them win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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