Yohan Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/opinion/2013/01/csa-cuts-ties-with-canadian-soccer-league.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/opinion/2013/01/csa-cuts-ties-with-canadian-soccer-league.html Good, the CSL wasn't living up to its own standards it had in place anyway. Bring on League One Ontario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Good, the CSL wasn't living up to its own standards it had in place anyway. Bring on League One Ontario. A shame for some of the more talented clubs in the league though. I hope most of them will land on their feet. I wonder what (if any) legal right the CSL has in terms of binding it's clubs to it. I wonder if many of it's clubs won't surface in League one... or if the teams East of the GTA might switch to the Quebec league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I've respected certain clubs which have recently been in the CSL set up. However, as a whole, there was always something a little dark, and even sinister, about how the CSL operated as an entity. At the end of the day, I'm a bit surprised that the CSA cut ties only because I didn't think the CSA had the testicular fortitude to do it. No let's see what happens to the league going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 I've respected certain clubs which have recently been in the CSL set up. However, as a whole, there was always something a little dark, and even sinister, about how the CSL operated as an entity. At the end of the day, I'm a bit surprised that the CSA cut ties only because I didn't think the CSA had the testicular fortitude to do it. No let's see what happens to the league going forward. Easy for CSA to cut ties with CSL since apparently it has own plans to set up a national D2 and regional D3 leagues. This match fixing scandal is easy excuse for CSA to cut ties with CSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercanuck Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 all the more reason for the CSA to take control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 all the more reason for the CSA to take control. honestly, my opinion of CSA is so low that they'd have to work miracles to merely disappoint me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Good news. Having what essentially has always been a local Toronto league with only token and often second-rate content elsewhere pretending to be a national pro league was never going to be the answer long term. The emergence of the new league in Quebec points to the way ahead. Each province finding its own answers suitable to its own circumstances with the CSA's role probably being confined to providing some sort of end of season tournament to determine a national champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcalibre Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Milltown dropped into the Peel-Halton regional leagues in 2011 so it wouldn't surprise me if most of the CSL teams drop into local mens' leagues should the league disband. London City have played a reserve team in the WOSL so the connection is already there in many cases. Speaking of London, the success of FC London showed that the CSL wasn't even making use of its existing markets, I don't think a lot of people who aren't directly connected to the league offices will miss it too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 This part of the CBC article is maybe worth highlighting: The move comes just a week after Interpol hosted the Integrity in Sport conference in New York, intended to educate FIFA and CONCACAF on the growing match-fixing threat. Both CSA and CSL officials were in attendance. "Match manipulation in football must be tackled in the strongest possible way and we are glad that CONCACAF is taking a proactive approach on this subject," Serge Dumortier, Senior Security Manager at FIFA told CONCACAF members this week. "We must take all the steps necessary to safeguard the integrity of our sport." During the two-day conference, Interpol put on several workshops for CONCACAF members and spoke extensively on education and prevention. This included disclosing the nearly unfathomable amount of money that has been bet on the CSL since 2010. A reminder of who was new to the league in 2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Canadian_Soccer_League_season Four new expansion clubs: Montreal Impact Academy, Milltown FC, Brantford Galaxy SC and Hamilton Croatia. [TABLE=class: wikitable] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]1[/TD] [TD=align: left]York Region Shooters[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [TD]29[/TD] [TD]+16[/TD] [TD]46[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]2[/TD] [TD=align: left]Serbian White Eagles[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]40[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]+24[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]3 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Hamilton Croatia[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]51[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]+24[/TD] [TD]44[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]4 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Milltown FC[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]43[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]+21[/TD] [TD]43[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]5 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Portugal FC[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]46[/TD] [TD]39[/TD] [TD]+7[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]6 [/TD] [TD=align: left]TFC Academy[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]32[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]+5[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]7 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Brantford Galaxy SC[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [TD]51[/TD] [TD]-6[/TD] [TD]32 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]8 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Toronto Croatia[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]36[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [TD]-2[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]9 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Montreal Impact Academy[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]34[/TD] [TD]31[/TD] [TD]+3[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]10[/TD] [TD=align: left]Brampton Lions[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]33[/TD] [TD]37[/TD] [TD]-4[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]11[/TD] [TD=align: left]London City[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [TD]61[/TD] [TD]-23[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD=align: left]North York Astros[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]32[/TD] [TD]62[/TD] [TD]-30[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]13[/TD] [TD=align: left]St. Catharines Wolves[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]54[/TD] [TD]-35[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msilverstein47 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 as a MLS supporter, what do both Montreal and Toronto do with their youth academy teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 as a MLS supporter, what do both Montreal and Toronto do with their youth academy teams? Speculation on my part but the obvious alternatives are the PLSQ (Quebec's semi-pro league which is very much centred on Montreal) for the Impact and the OSL (Ontario's provincial amateur league which is very much centred on Toronto) for TFC. TFC had a team of returning NCAA players with Academy affiliations playing a series of games against the top OSL teams last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Montreal U18s are already in the USSDA. I'd expect TFC to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto7 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Montreal U18s are already in the USSDA. I'd expect TFC to follow. Montreal also has a U16 team in the USSDA. I think BringBacktheBlizzard is right, the Impact U21 team will probably join the PLSQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaliam Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Montreal U18s are already in the USSDA. I'd expect TFC to follow. That was my first thought too, and maybe I've read this incorrectly, but it seems Rongen would prefer TFC's academy sides to play against Canadian opponents, rather than have them play in the USSDA: "Toronto FC academy director, Thomas Rongen, said that TFC has a plan in place but wouldn't indicate where their youth teams would play in 2013. "We feel very strong about being part of the Canadian soccer culture and we feel very strongly about staying in Canada," Rongen said." http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/opinion/2013/01/csa-cuts-ties-with-canadian-soccer-league.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 So that means an announcement today?? "Another ripple in the CSA's decision to no longer sanction the CSL, is that the long-awaited Easton report - a study intended to determine the feasibility of a Canadian professional league - is expected to be widely released Friday." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Most tier one countries in Europe have professional WOMEN's leagues. England next year is adding a second division. If we can't do a national league we shouldn't wait for FIFA, we should just close the shop down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Most tier one countries in Europe have professional WOMEN's leagues. England next year is adding a second division. If we can't do a national league we shouldn't wait for FIFA, we should just close the shop down. Do most european countries 9,985,000 square km of land with only 35 million people? Surely you are smart enough to see there is massive difference between circumstances for Canada compared to Europe. Not to mention the fact that football isn't the most popular professional sport Canada. If it was so easy to have national league in Canada then all of the other leagues would not have failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 It's not like everyone's in Inuvik. Over half the country and 3/4 major metropolitan areas are in an area not much different than France, Spain, Sweden, Norway, Germany Women's soccer isn't exactly the #1 sport either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Canada doesn't have a national league because the CSA decided in their wisdom years ago to piggy-back the American leagues. It looked like an easy out, but they are finding out otherwise now. Good blog by Jason Devos and exactly what I have been saying for years: http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/jason_de_vos/?id=414834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 A reminder for people of why the sanctioning was probably pulled: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/opinion/2013/01/csa-cuts-ties-with-canadian-soccer-league.html According to CSA and CONCACAF sources, Interpol told those in attendance that nearly $100 million had passed through legitimate betting houses, to be placed on Canadian Soccer League matches, the past three seasons. They held the CSL up as an example of how even little out-of-the-way leagues were being targeted in a major way. Interpol stressed to those in attendance that not all of that money would have been associated with match-fixing but given recent revelations surrounding the CSL, "the number has sent chills through the law enforcement community." http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Black+mark+match+fixing+scandal+leaves+Canadian+soccer+dealing+with+fallout/7907345/story.html If I told you that, at a FIFA-UEFA-Interpol conference on the subject in Rome earlier this month, Interpol’s top cop Ronald Noble used the Canadian Soccer League as a warning to leagues around the world of how even leagues almost no one has ever heard of can get caught up in the practice, you might be stunned. The Canadian example was repeated at another FIFA conference in New York. This organization did not deserve blind faith loyalty just because it had the word "Canadian" in its title. Beyond that there are strong indications that one form of D3 regional/provincial/local league is going to be replaced by another in southern Ontario, so nothing has really changed on the national league issue. If people want to moan on and on about the lack of Canada only D1 and D2 leagues this probably isn't the appropriate thread or subforum given the subject matter is D3 level soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfan Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 This part of the CBC article is maybe worth highlighting: The move comes just a week after Interpol hosted the Integrity in Sport conference in New York, intended to educate FIFA and CONCACAF on the growing match-fixing threat. Both CSA and CSL officials were in attendance. "Match manipulation in football must be tackled in the strongest possible way and we are glad that CONCACAF is taking a proactive approach on this subject," Serge Dumortier, Senior Security Manager at FIFA told CONCACAF members this week. "We must take all the steps necessary to safeguard the integrity of our sport." During the two-day conference, Interpol put on several workshops for CONCACAF members and spoke extensively on education and prevention. This included disclosing the nearly unfathomable amount of money that has been bet on the CSL since 2010. A reminder of who was new to the league in 2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Canadian_Soccer_League_season Four new expansion clubs: Montreal Impact Academy, Milltown FC, Brantford Galaxy SC and Hamilton Croatia. [TABLE=class: wikitable] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]1[/TD] [TD=align: left]York Region Shooters[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [TD]29[/TD] [TD]+16[/TD] [TD]46[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]2[/TD] [TD=align: left]Serbian White Eagles[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]40[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]+24[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]3 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Hamilton Croatia[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]51[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]+24[/TD] [TD]44[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]4 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Milltown FC[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]43[/TD] [TD]22[/TD] [TD]+21[/TD] [TD]43[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]5 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Portugal FC[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]11[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]46[/TD] [TD]39[/TD] [TD]+7[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]6 [/TD] [TD=align: left]TFC Academy[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]6[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]32[/TD] [TD]27[/TD] [TD]+5[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]7 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Brantford Galaxy SC[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]45[/TD] [TD]51[/TD] [TD]-6[/TD] [TD]32 [/TD] [/TR] [TR=bgcolor: #CCFFCC] [TD]8 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Toronto Croatia[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]9[/TD] [TD]36[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [TD]-2[/TD] [TD]30[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]9 [/TD] [TD=align: left]Montreal Impact Academy[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]34[/TD] [TD]31[/TD] [TD]+3[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]10[/TD] [TD=align: left]Brampton Lions[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]10[/TD] [TD]7[/TD] [TD]33[/TD] [TD]37[/TD] [TD]-4[/TD] [TD]28[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]11[/TD] [TD=align: left]London City[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [TD]8[/TD] [TD]38[/TD] [TD]61[/TD] [TD]-23[/TD] [TD]20[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]12[/TD] [TD=align: left]North York Astros[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]3[/TD] [TD]32[/TD] [TD]62[/TD] [TD]-30[/TD] [TD]18[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]13[/TD] [TD=align: left]St. Catharines Wolves[/TD] [TD]24[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [TD]4[/TD] [TD]19[/TD] [TD]54[/TD] [TD]-35[/TD] [TD]16[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] What does this have to do with anything?....Other then the fact that the Brantford Galaxy are on this list of expansion teams and are a team who started the whole match fixing allegations in the CSL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 What does this have to do with anything?....Other then the fact that the Brantford Galaxy are on this list of expansion teams and are a team who started the whole match fixing allegations in the CSL The Galaxy were the team that allegations were being made about quite vociferously back in 2010. Why wasn't there some sort of intervention a long time before now, if irregular betting patterns were an ongoing issue for two more seasons after that? There is a lot more still to emerge into the light of day on this by the looks of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 As has been intimated earlier, the de-sanctioning and gambling irregularities and the lack of a D2 league could well all be one and the same in FIFA's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 It's the CSA that is doing the desanctioning rather than FIFA. Given how corrupt the sport can be in some parts of the world, it speaks volumes when the head of Interpol (again rather than FIFA) uses Canada as a prime example of a country where the top national association sanctioned league has gambling regularities that appear to him to be blatantly rife. The highlighting of 2010 as a starting point kind of suggests he saw Canada as a place where something was being allowed to continue unchecked because the people running the league and association were deliberately turning a blind eye and saw these conferences as a way to shame the CSA into some very belated action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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