Are we any Closer to a new Full Time Manager for the Mens Program?

[Canada1]

Does anyone on this board have any information on When and Who will be the Canadian Mens National Team Soccer Manager?

[xcalibre]

Press conference to announce Maradona on Monday

[An Old Fullback]

as was mentioned in another thread, why would the CSA hire someone now, when there will be near 100 high ranking, well known coaches that will be looking for a job sometime this summer. As national teams around the world are eliminated from Brazil 2014, their coaches will be let go.

Let's be realistic, the men's and women's foolball business are much different, but Canada does have a high standing in the world for quality of life, the job will likely pay $1m to attract any known candidate, and coaches will see that there is some potential to improve, as recent years have shown.

for your original question, no one has the answer, as the decision has not yet been made.

[jpg75]

the job will likely pay $1m to attract any known candidate.

Is that cuz you're kicking in the extra 600-700K on top of the CSA budget?

[A_Gagne]

...the job will likely pay $1m to attract any known candidate...

Exactly what are you basing that figure on? My guess is that they will conduct a proper international search and pay better than previous managers have gotten in the past, but I still don't think they're will, should, or need to pay anything in than range.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

Exactly what are you basing that figure on? My guess is that they will conduct a proper international search and pay better than previous managers have gotten in the past, but I still don't think they're will, should, or need to pay anything in than range.

Agreed. That is a ridiculous sum.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

Exactly what are you basing that figure on? My guess is that they will conduct a proper international search and pay better than previous managers have gotten in the past, but I still don't think they're will, should, or need to pay anything in than range.

The job is potentially career ending so a premium has to be paid to get anyone with a reasonable set of options to choose from to take the job. The other thing that needs to be considered is the dynamic between the players and the coach. If the coach is paid significantly less than the core of the starting lineup receive at their clubs and has achieved considerably less than they have within the sport it is difficult for the coach to command their respect. Olivier Occean's remarks about Stephen Hart are probably only the visible tip of the iceberg.

[Joe MacCarthy]

The job is potentially career ending so a premium has to be paid to get anyone with a reasonable set of options to choose from to take the job. The other thing that needs to be considered is the dynamic between the players and the coach. If the coach is paid significantly less than the core of the starting lineup receive at their clubs and has achieved considerably less than they have within the sport it is difficult for the coach to command their respect. Olivier Occean's remarks about Stephen Hart are probably only the visible tip of the iceberg.

And where is this money going to come from? The only way we can get close to your 1 million figure will be some sort of sponsorship scam. It's a ridiculous figure for this market, most NHL coaches don't make that and with our men's low profile in this country you think the CSA can justify that?

Career ending?...what poop!

[Joe MacCarthy]

Ok peeps, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going from a shaky memory. The high end for the NT coach is 250k. Years ago we were going to offer Rene Simoes 500k for him and a few coaches he would bring (before that deal fell through) With some sort of sponsorship benefactor I could see getting up to 700k but I don't know who would come out of the woodwork to top that up who hasn't already. Isn't Frank Stronach supposed to be Canadian This country did well by his daughter. Petie Mac you came out of that deal smelling like a rose

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

On the money, did I just read about a lucrative deal with Canadian Tire or was I just imagining it? The national team is now able to pull in 15,000+ for games played in Toronto in a stadium that the CSA has the free use of as part of the legacy of the 2007 U20 World Cup. Pro soccer in Canada is a significant spectator sport now and with proper management should be able to stand on its own two feet when it comes to generating gate revenues and paying large salaries.

As for career ending let's see how many pro level job offers Stephen Hart gets after failing to reach the hex with a national team roster that was capable of it. A future as a youth club technical director or CIS coach beckons I suspect. The Canadian national team job is a high risk gamble for anyone with a career heading in the right direction. You have to pay a premium to attract somebody good under those circumstances.

[Joe MacCarthy]

The Canadian national team job is a high risk gamble for anyone with a career heading in the right direction. You have to pay a premium to attract somebody good under those circumstances.

Holger Osieck... didn't seem to kill his career.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

He won the Gold Cup. What are Mo Johnston and Preki up to these days after nosediving with Toronto FC? It's the same sort of picture in job prospect terms if you flop big time with the Canadian national team.

[Michael Crampton]

The national team is now able to pull in 15,000+ for games played in Toronto in a stadium that the CSA has the free use of as part of the legacy of the 2007 U20 World Cup.

Not exactly: http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/content.php?4083-MLSE-withholds-nearly-500-000-from-CSA-for-failure-to-play-games-at-BMO-Field

"The new agreement also spells out how much money the CSA must pay to MLSE for using BMO Field. That figure is again based on the amount of tickets sold.

If the CSA sells between 0-16,000 tickets [annually] it pays MLSE 15 percent of the total gate and 25 percent of the merchandise sold. The figures are reduced to 10 percent and 20 percent respectfully for 16,001-46,000 sold and 7 percent and 15 percent for more than 46,000.

There is extra incentive to sell more than 46,000 seats. If the CSA meets that criteria it will also receive 45 percent of the Capital Replacement Fee that is added to all tickets and 25 percent of concessions. They receive 10 percent of concessions sold in the event of 16,001-46,000 seats sold."

As for career ending let's see how many pro level job offers Stephen Hart gets after failing to reach the hex with a national team roster that was capable of it.

How many "pro level job offers" would he have gotten before taking the position? How has the Canada job inhibited the post-CMNT job prospects of Yallop or Osiek (the last two head coaches who came in with a reasonably deep resume outside of the insular world of the CSA)?

The Canadian national team job is a high risk gamble for anyone with a career heading in the right direction. You have to pay a premium to attract somebody good under those circumstances.

Maybe, particularly if you want to get "a name" like Bob Bradley or something silly like Sven. But a premium isn't just "offer $1million"; a premium might mean paying a guy $500K who could get a job in the $350K range in Europe or South or Central America. Coaches are hired to be fired. Someone will see this job as an opportunity in a relatively low pressure environment where even moderate success would be both career enhancing and possibly lead to a degree of stability not available elsewhere.

[Joe MacCarthy]

On the money, did I just read about a lucrative deal with Canadian Tire or was I just imagining it?

So that money (and we have no idea of how much it is) gets funneled directly to a men's coach? Watch the video thanking the sponsor. Who's in it? Do you see any CMNT staff or players? Probably because the sponsor is more interested in the higher profile women and growing another demographic (just my opinion)

[Joe MacCarthy]

Someone will see this job as an opportunity in a relatively low pressure environment where even moderate success would be both career enhancing and possibly lead to a degree of stability not available elsewhere.

Praise Allah!

[The Ref]

Holger Osieck... didn't seem to kill his career.

As much as I disliked Osieck at the time, now I have come to appreciate the fact that he was the only coach who saw that our players lacked talent/ball skills and was not afraid to say so, compared to Mitchel, Hart and now Miller who pussy foot around and try to be politically correct. Maybe they just want the bragging rights or the money, which is not what we need. We need a coach who can accept our shortcomings and will have a long range plan (several years) to bring our guys up to snuff.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

So that money (and we have no idea of how much it is) gets funneled directly to a men's coach? Watch the video thanking the sponsor. Who's in it? Do you see any CMNT staff or players? Probably because the sponsor is more interested in the higher profile women and growing another demographic (just my opinion)

My point was this isn't the Canada of yesterday where corporations were only interested in hockey, curling and the CFL. If BMO is willing to back MLS teams, Canadian Tire is interested in the CWNT, why is the men's national team supposed to be a complete write off?

Not exactly: http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/content.php?4083-MLSE-withholds-nearly-500-000-from-CSA-for-failure-to-play-games-at-BMO-Field

"The new agreement also spells out how much money the CSA must pay to MLSE for using BMO Field. That figure is again based on the amount of tickets sold. ....

Not having to pay rent is a major plus relative to the Varsity Stadium days. Think I've read that the break even is about 10,000 to stage a national team game in TO. Money can be made now.

[Joe MacCarthy]

As much as I disliked Osieck at the time, now I have come to appreciate the fact that he was the only coach who saw that our players lacked talent/ball skills and was not afraid to say so,

Would you give the same credit to Yallop who got us out of the long ball approach or Lenarduzzi who had got the team father than anyone since.

[Joe MacCarthy]

My point was this isn't the Canada of yesterday where corporations were only interested in hockey, curling and the CFL. If BMO is willing to back MLS teams, Canadian Tire is interested in the CWNT, why is the men's national team supposed to be a complete write off?

The men are a write off because they don't sell themselves. I understand many are in Europe and not in a position to be here all the time, but we have and will put together significantly better and better lineups of NA based players ie DeRo.

Until they stop the prima donna routine and play some games outside of Toronto and Montreal they'll never get traction. Even if we made the World Cup there are a number of soccer fans in this country who will never cheer for them (CMNT) Forget about them and take the game to the rest of the country. Try to create some stars. The game is so low profile regarding Canadian players that I had to wonder who was Simon Thomas and why was he in our goal.

There will be new stadiums in Winnipeg, Ottawa, Hamilton and Regina. Wouldn't it be great (and historically relevant) to be the first event to play in that venue. Too late for Winnipeg unfortunately, but these are the kind of things they should be thinking about to raise the profile and attract sponsors. But nooo I'm a star and I can't play on plastic, that last crop couldn't play on turf either

Am I bitter, nooo

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

There will be new stadiums in Winnipeg, Ottawa, Hamilton and Regina....

You are going to get the Women's World Cup in two of those and one is being refurbished to host soccer during the Pan Am games. There was a great myth that people in Toronto would never follow a domestic pro team because all they cared about was the teams their families followed back in the "old country". Nobody went to see the Lynx so they would never watch TFC. Even before the Beckham announcement season tickets were selling very well. Right now the CSA runs the national team in a Bruno Hartrell sort of way (not really criticizing the guy, he deserves praise for making the effort when times were at their bleakest) compared to what it could potentially be.

You had a thread a while back about soccer needing an Alan Eagleson type figure to kick start things a bit in that regard. I was one of the few people who responded who could see where you were coming from. Get the marketing side right with somebody who fits that sort of mold minus the subsequent criminality, use that to raise the funds to attract a coach that people in the larger cities who know and love the sport can take seriously and also to get some high profile exhibition games going and good things can slowly start to happen.

[The Ref]

Would you give the same credit to Yallop who got us out of the long ball approach or Lenarduzzi who had got the team father than anyone since.

I don't think so. Too long ago!

[Joe MacCarthy]

You are going to get the Women's World Cup in two of those and one is being refurbished to host soccer during the Pan Am games.

You had a thread a while back about soccer needing an Alan Eagleson type figure to kick start things a bit in that regard. I was one of the few people who responded who could see where you were coming from. Get the marketing side right with somebody who fits that sort of mold minus the subsequent criminality, use that to raise the funds to attract a coach that people in the larger cities who know and love the sport can take seriously and also to get some high profile exhibition games going and good things can slowly start to happen.

I think the CSA has been doing much better lately with their decision making. Why, I do not know but sponsorships seem to be up and more lucrative and there seems to be a recognition of the importance of coaching at the NT level, so somebody is doing something right.

They axed Morace and brought in Herdman to great success and now we'll get to see what direction they will take with the men. This next hire will really show how serious they are. I tend to think they will go out on a limb and get out of their comfort zone. It worked with the women but for the men they will have to be much more creative. They have the time to do a proper search and find an acceptable fit and I have no problem with them taking their time.

Really confusing first sentence. Hamilton, who will host PanAm soccer will be a completely new stadium not refurbished. Update here

[Marc]

I think the CSA has been doing much better lately with their decision making. Why, I do not know but sponsorships seem to be up and more lucrative and there seems to be a recognition of the importance of coaching at the NT level, so somebody is doing something right.

They axed Morace and brought in Herdman to great success and now we'll get to see what direction they will take with the men. This next hire will really show how serious they are. I tend to think they will go out on a limb and get out of their comfort zone. It worked with the women but for the men they will have to be much more creative. They have the time to do a proper search and find an acceptable fit and I have no problem with them taking their time.

Agreed. I think the CSA is finding a groove, finally. In addition to the action of the women's side, the men's NT games (though unfairly Toronto centric) were successful, well-advertized, and going back appointing Hart was the logical (if not best) choice at the time given the relative success we had with him at the GC. None of that would have gone over properly in the old CSA days. I think we'll see an Osieckesque appointment but with a tad more splash (due to more cash). But this time it's a bit more risky, we'll have to hope we get someone who will stick with us for a bit but not wear out their welcome. And if the appointment fails it might mean that we'll have a rash of domestic coaches for the next ten years thereafter.

[Joe MacCarthy]

Agreed. I think the CSA is finding a groove, finally. In addition to the action of the women's side, the men's NT games (though unfairly Toronto centric) were successful, well-advertized, and going back appointing Hart was the logical (if not best) choice at the time given the relative success we had with him at the GC. None of that would have gone over properly in the old CSA days. I think we'll see an Osieckesque appointment but with a tad more splash (due to more cash). But this time it's a bit more risky, we'll have to hope we get someone who will stick with us for a bit but not wear out their welcome. And if the appointment fails it might mean that we'll have a rash of domestic coaches for the next ten years thereafter.

Agree with everything except the final sentence. Unfortunately, we don't have all that much experienced and qualified coaching left. We have some guys who could be candidates down the road with a little (outside Canada and/or outside the CSA experience). Guys like Pesch, Dasovic, Dos Santos, Wilson and Bent with some additional combined international or pro club experience could be fine candidates down the road.

[Grizzly]

Would you give the same credit to Yallop who got us out of the long ball approach or Lenarduzzi who had got the team father than anyone since.

Yallop besides a multitude of flaws like totally bizarre player selections which smacked of favouritism if not worse got us out of long ball by playing Hart ball, ie. keeping possession by passing it around the back. Nor were we successful under Yallop by any measure. Maybe he is a good coach for MLS level (very mixed results but had a good year last year) but he was an absolutely horrible national team coach.

Lenanduzzi's reign is a long time ago so I don't remember all of the details but I do remember at the time thinking he was an absolute disaster as coach. There was again a lot of favouritism and I seem to recall very poor tactics from him as well. He was a huge step down from Waiters in terms of coaching ability. Yes one can look at the results and say we were close to qualifying under him but from what I remember of our WCQ's at that time whatever we achieved was more despite Lenarduzzi not because of him. Possibly with that same team, those same opponents and a good coach we would have qualified at that time.

Ossieck had his flaws as well but I think he was a far better coach than either Yallop or Lenarduzzi.