Vic Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Wambach and Sundhage. In terms of coaching prowess Herdman outperformed and schooled Sundhage. Unfortunately Coach of the Year isn't about coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Like most things of this nature, Awards like this are errent nonsense. If you were to take a poll of who actually voted and cross referenced it with who had seen the applicants ply their trade, chances are you see an interesting corelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Like most things of this nature, Awards like this are errent nonsense. If you were to take a poll of who actually voted and cross referenced it with who had seen the applicants ply their trade, chances are you see an interesting corelation. Absolutely. Take a look: http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/ballond%27or/playeroftheyear%28women%29/01/98/08/17/fboawardwomenplayer2012-bycountry.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkomar Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Well, at least it wasn't Marta again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Wambach and Sundhage. In terms of coaching prowess Herdman outperformed and schooled Sundhage. Unfortunately Coach of the Year isn't about coaching. These awards are so predictable that lack all seriousness. Coaches that get to vote in most cases have not seen many of the players nominated or whole teams for that matter. Fifa has to come up with a fairer system. I would like to see that once a player receives the award one year, that he/she can not receive it a second time. At least that will give a chance to guys like Iniesta and Birgit Prinz in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Only problem is that you could end up with, "and the Award for the second best player of the year goes to..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada1 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 What a anti climatic load of crap. FIFA is so corrupt and thinks everything that it does is for the good of the game. LOL. How can you have a player Hope Solo who failed her drug test prior to the Olympics give out an award. What a joke. Christine and John you both got screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The Hope Solo appearance was a bit of a surprise, but based on the past, Blatter select some of the presenters at the last minute, totally off the cuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 I just finished an analysis of the Women's Player of the Year voting results you referenced earlier today. FINDINGS: 1. With Captains, Coaches and Media each having a 5-3-1 point system, Homare Sawa placed third (ahead of Alex Morgan) and should have been in Zurich. It was not even close, Sawa had 336 points and beat Morgan by almost 50 points. 2. Abby Wambach is a very worthy victor. 3. Marta was first among countries ranked over 100, and last among countries ranked in the Top 10. 4. Christine Sinclair experienced the reverse effect: - In each of the Top 10, 25, and 50 ranked countries, Christine Sinclair was second in first place votes. - Outside the Top 50 ranked countries, Christine Sinclair was last (10th) in first place votes. 5. Inside and outside the Top 50 ranked countries you get different winners and 3/5 different players: Top 50 Countries 1. Wambach Abby 2. Sinclair Christine 3. Morgan Alex 4. Abily Camile 5. Lloyd Carli Outside Top 50 Countries 1. Marta 2. Wambach Abby 3. Sawa Homare 4. Morgan Alex 5. Fukumoto Miho 6. These are the voting countries who skewed and determined the results: (a) Countries outside the Top 100: Albania, American Samoa, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Cayman Islands, Comoros, Congo, Congo DR, Cyprus, Ecuador, FYR Macedonia, Georgia, Grenada, Guinea, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Liberia, Malawi, Maldives, Malta, Montenegro, Mozambique, Namibia, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Paraguay, Puerto Rico, Samoa, Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka, Suriname, Swaziland, Turks and Caicos Islands, Uganda, US Virgin Islands, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Zambia ( Countries without a women's ranking who voted: Andorra, Chad, Gambia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Mauritius, Montserrat, Niger, Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Turks and Caicos Islands 7. These are countries with a women's team who abstained and did not vote: Afghanistan, Argentina, Armenia, Aruba, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Benin, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Burkina Faso, Chile, Chinese Taipei, Cook Islands, Côte d'Ivoire, Croatia, Curaçao, Dominica, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Fiji, Gabon, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Kenya, Korea DPR, Kuwait, Lesotho, Malaysia, Moldova, Nepal, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Qatar, Solomon Islands, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Syria, Tahiti, Tanzania, Thailand, Tonga, Turks and Caicos Islands, United Arab Emirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 Strangeness. The document you referenced refers to a 5-3-1 point system but there is a second Ballon d'Or document with reference to a percentage scoring system. Does anyone know the algorithm path from document A to document B below? http://goo.gl/7HTfQ More importantly, these are their results for the top three at the Gala: MEN 41.60 MESSI 23.68 CRISTIANO RONALDO 10.91 ANDRES INIESTA 04.08 XAVI 03.67 RADAMEL FALCAO WOMEN 20.67 WAMBACH ABBY 13.50 MARTA 10.87 MORGAN ALEX 10.85 SAWA HOMARE 10.33 SINCLAIR CHRISTINE 07.99 LLOYD CARLI The players in the third place range for women received in the range of 100 votes from the entire pool of 300. Distribution-wise those are unusually close results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Of course you do realise why they (Uefa/ FIFA) do this at this time of year don't you? Its because of the European Winter Break. Nothing to do for three weeks apart from contemplate their communal navals. Note precious little involvement or interest in England as they are far too busy Playing through the fuge of Plum duff and Egg Nog! Could you imagine the headache Geneva would have getting Messi to appear if he'd have been signed to Manchester United? "Hello is that Sir Alex? Look, we know you have that big game against West Ham this week, but could you be a love and get Messi on a plane to Geneva so he can pick up a relativley meaningless bauble? Oh, and tell him to bring the Clown Suit" Also, how cheesy are awards Ceromonys that are done in Europe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I just finished an analysis of the Women's Player of the Year voting results you referenced earlier today... Wow, that was brilliant. Really great work Vic. I want everybody in the media to see this. 2. Abby Wambach is a very worthy victor. True. My top 3 would have included her and Sinclair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Phenomenal job, Vic. Thank you for including the countries with national teams that didn't vote. It's much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Ha! I was doing the same sort of thing as Vic this morning and I was just heading over to tell you all about it... then I saw Vic had done the same sort of thing. Great minds etc. If you want to read mine it's at http://www.maple-leaf-forever.com/2013/01/08/the-womens-ballon-dor-is-a-joke/ but I don't know why you would; Vic's is right there. I would point out that, among the coaches and captains, if we restricted the number of countries that could vote by FIFA ranking to exclude irrelevant super-minnows the order of finish would have been 1) Wambach 2) Sinclair 3) Morgan from the top 10 all the way down to the top 50 countries surveyed. Marta and Sawa are nowhere near the podium until the super-minnows come in. The reason Morgan gets ahead of Sawa is because captain, coach, and media votes are each worth 33%, but only 40 media members voted, therefore in the final analysis each media vote is worth a bit more than three captain votes. And Morgan killed Sawa in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share Posted January 8, 2013 Thanks everyone, and thanks Bob for the weighting algorithm. Hoping to get a chance to look into that tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 Some analysis given the equal weighting among Captains, Coaches and Media: 1. Media representatives from 40 countries countries voted (including 12 of the Top 20). 2. With such a small pool of voters, the placement for third position and attending the gala was determined by the smallest of margins with Alex Morgan (10.87), Homare Sawa (10.85) and Christine Sinclair (10.33) all unusually close. Less than a single third place vote separates Morgan and Sawa, Sinclair is a bit more. 3. Almost all of the dozen media from the Top 20 ranked countries selected Abby Wambach first or second. Only one selected Alex Morgan ahead of Abby Wambach. 4. Ranking and countries of the media who selected Alex Morgan first (13%): 26. Switzerland 21. New Zealand 71. Morocco 131 Paraguay N/R Libya 5. Ranking and countries of the media who selected Alex Morgan second (10%): 5. France 27. Belgium 60. Greece 132. Venezuela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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