Taking a break, again!

[Robert]

The reasoning behind the inordinate intervals that the CSA allows to elapse from the time a national head coach resigns until the appointment of his successor remains an inexplicable mystery. Granted that Messrs. Bruce Twamley, Colin Miller and Stephen Hart have all at various times acted briefly as interim coaches during these lengthy intervals, the fact remains that nothing ensures future failures as much as the wasting of a precious commodity like time. Over the past 16 years, the CSA has proven time and again that its policy of leaving the head coaching position vacant for prolonged periods of time is not going to bring about a Canadian return to the Hex. The CSA’s track record for leaving the head coaching position vacant for a total of 1,098 days since Canada’s last appearance at the Hex in 1997 is as follows:

Bob Lenarduzzi resigned November 19, 1997,

315 days later,

Holger Osieck hired September 29, 1998.

Holger Osieck resigned September 2, 2003,

121 days later,

Frank Yallop hired January 1, 2004.

Frank Yallop resigned June 7, 2006,

344 days later,

Dale Mitchell hired May 17, 2007.

Dale Mitchell fired March 27, 2009,

255 days later,

Stephen Hart hired December 7, 2009.

Stephen Hart resigned October 18, 2012.

Thus far, 63 days later no one has yet been hired.

With each passing days, Canada’s first Gold Cup match next summer begins to loom larger and larger. How much time will Mr. Victor Montagliani give the next head coach to have a look at all the available talent from which he will have to form a Gold Cup team? Will there be enough time left for the new coach to hold a training camp for these players? Will Mr. Montagliani be able to arrange at least one friendly for the new coach to assess his selection before the Gold Cup tournament starts? Interestingly enough, Mr. Montagliani has demonstrated that he can act quickly when he wants to, as he did for the Women’s nation team.

Carolina Morace resigned July 21, 2011,

42 days later,

John Herdman hired September 1, 2011.

Based on the expeditious hiring of Mr. Herdman, it’s easy to see where Mr. Montagliani’s priorities are at. Canadian soccer supporters can therefore take some solace from the fact that even though the Women’s national team has no major tournament scheduled for next year, they do at least have a full-time head coach going into 2013. Having a head coach results in bronze medals. Not having a head coach for over 3 of the last 15 years results in 8-1 humiliations.

* To the mods. This thread is not like the other thread that is discussing the merits of who to hire as head coach. This thread is intended to examine why the CSA has these long gaps between hiring a full-time head coach. Thanks.

[madmonte]

Yeah, but at least in this case, with the negative comes a positive. Two fixtures in January that are meaningless friendlies is more than I would have even dreamed of just ONE year ago. So in that regard, I'm willing to give our new CSA prez some leeway, because based on having a couple friendlies, already some good is coming out of it.

I'd rather they get the RIGHT coach than rush and just get anybody, as well, so personally, I as a fan am willing to have a little patience here. More than just the Gold Cup is at stake.

[Gordon]

I'd rather they get the RIGHT coach than rush and just get anybody, as well, so personally, I as a fan am willing to have a little patience here. More than just the Gold Cup is at stake.

http://sourcesofinsight.com/refuse-the-suckers-choice-4/

How about timely AND right?

[jpg75]

As long as they find a good coach, i'm willing to wait until April which should give the new guy in charge enough time to get a handle on what he has got and prepare for the pre-GC camp.

[hodgkiss]

i don't mind the waiting at all if it is going to be a world-class coach. but if we have to wait another 3oo+ days for a lame-ass excuse of a coach then why even bother? it all comes down to having faith and trust in our cmnt staff and by o means do they have that from me. so robert, as much as people like to rip on you, you have uncovered a pattern here - in particular with the last two hires.

it's very frustrating to say - ok i like hart - let's see what he can do.

or before that it was - ok dale coached the u20's (although terribly) let's see what he can do.

please get the undisputed best choice available and not the most economically responsible solution.

[RS]

Based on the expeditious hiring of Mr. Herdman, it’s easy to see where Mr. Montagliani’s priorities are at.

[jpg75]

"Loose one turn" LOL!!

[munseahawk]

There was a time crunch facing the CWNT when they hired Herdman. Olympic qualification was 6 months after Morace departed. there's not the same urgency with this hire. Yes the GC is coming up, but it's an off year and does not qualify a team to the Confederations Cup. I'll be happy with the CSA taking the time to get this done right.

Speaking of the GC, I saw on Wikipedia that the 2015 edition will be in Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador with the Aussies and UAE as guest teams. No sources linked but interesting if true.

[jpg75]

^ I hear they'll be sacrificing a virgin before every game...

[maccaliam]

Speaking of the GC, I saw on Wikipedia that the 2015 edition will be in Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador with the Aussies and UAE as guest teams. No sources linked but interesting if true.

I didn't think there was any chance of this being true, until I heard:

^ I hear they'll be sacrificing a virgin before every game...

That sounds like some pretty solid insider info.

[The Ref]

Maybe the lengthy wait in hiring men's coaches is because nobody worth while is interested in the job of leading Canada's men as compared to our women. The CSA tight lips in the process leads to all kind of speculations.

[Robert]

Maybe the lengthy wait in hiring men's coaches is because nobody worth while is interested in the job of leading Canada's men as compared to our women. The CSA tight lips in the process leads to all kind of speculations.

Didn't little P.P. express an interest?

[ag futbol]

I hate to give credence to the continual ranting, but he has a point. The way the CSA is continually slow to get things done just doesn't inspire confidence.

[Robert]

I wonder if the CSA has even started to look for a new coach. It's impossible to check every possible source out there, but I haven't seen any "HELP WANTED" signs for a Canadian National Soccer Coach in the classified sections of World Soccer, Kicker, Voetbal International, or France Football. Wouldn't it be worth investing a few dollars on such an initiative to see what kind of CVs get submitted? There might even be couple of resumes sent in by individual who really want the job and have a decent coaching track record to boot.

[RS]

I wonder if the CSA has even started to look for a new coach. It's impossible to check every possible source out there, but I haven't seen any "HELP WANTED" signs for a Canadian National Soccer Coach in the classified sections of World Soccer, Kicker, Voetbal International, or France Football. Wouldn't it be worth investing a few dollars on such an initiative to see what kind of CVs get submitted? There might even be couple of resumes sent in by individual who really want the job and have a decent coaching track record to boot.

Don't forget Kijiji and Craigslist (under the "Men Seeking Man [for National Team Head Coaching Position]" section).

[RS]

"Loose one turn" LOL!!

I noticed that when I looked for the image, but it seemed somewhat appropriate so I used it.

[jpg75]

I noticed that when I looked for the image, but it seemed somewhat appropriate so I used it.

Are ya kidding? You get bonus points for that!

[Keegan]

I wonder if the CSA has even started to look for a new coach. It's impossible to check every possible source out there, but I haven't seen any "HELP WANTED" signs for a Canadian National Soccer Coach in the classified sections of World Soccer, Kicker, Voetbal International, or France Football. Wouldn't it be worth investing a few dollars on such an initiative to see what kind of CVs get submitted? There might even be couple of resumes sent in by individual who really want the job and have a decent coaching track record to boot.

HAHAHAH see ya Robert, have fun on your break

[Robert]

HAHAHAH see ya Robert, have fun on your break

65 days later

[Keegan]

65 days later

Ya I like to pick my spots with you, kinda like you do with this board

[Grizzly]

HAHAHAH see ya Robert, have fun on your break

Yeah when I saw the thread title I thought it was Robert once again making one of his promises that he never follows through on to leave the forum.

But I will be fair and this is a legitimate topic. I don't think anyone should have a problem with the amount of time it takes to select a coach if that means an extensive search is being made and a good candidate will be hired. However, 344 days to come up with Dale Mitchell (though a lot of that was due to their poor plan of having him coach the U20 WC before taking over) and 255 days to come up with Stephan Hart is way too long. If they are going to hire some not very qualified insider for the job they should be at least naming him immediately and giving him as much time with the team (and to learn how to coach) as possible. So if they are going to take another 2 or 3 hundred days to come up with a coach they better come up with a good one.

[madmonte]

Yeah when I saw the thread title I thought it was Robert once again making one of his promises that he never follows through on to leave the forum.

But I will be fair and this is a legitimate topic. I don't think anyone should have a problem with the amount of time it takes to select a coach if that means an extensive search is being made and a good candidate will be hired. However, 344 days to come up with Dale Mitchell (though a lot of that was due to their poor plan of having him coach the U20 WC before taking over) and 255 days to come up with Stephan Hart is way too long. If they are going to hire some not very qualified insider for the job they should be at least naming him immediately and giving him as much time with the team (and to learn how to coach) as possible. So if they are going to take another 2 or 3 hundred days to come up with a coach they better come up with a good one.

This is true...or at least give that person the label of "interim" if your intention is to find the best possible candidate.

[Robert]

Yeah when I saw the thread title I thought it was Robert once again making one of his promises that he never follows through on to leave the forum.

But I will be fair and this is a legitimate topic. I don't think anyone should have a problem with the amount of time it takes to select a coach if that means an extensive search is being made and a good candidate will be hired. However, 344 days to come up with Dale Mitchell (though a lot of that was due to their poor plan of having him coach the U20 WC before taking over) and 255 days to come up with Stephan Hart is way too long. If they are going to hire some not very qualified insider for the job they should be at least naming him immediately and giving him as much time with the team (and to learn how to coach) as possible. So if they are going to take another 2 or 3 hundred days to come up with a coach they better come up with a good one.

Aside from the inordinate amount of time it takes the CSA to hire a national coach, they never seem to offer their Men's coaches a contract that secures their services through to the end of the next World Cup cycle like most other countries do. This partially accounts to some extent for these lengthy breaks. Maybe the contract for the next coach the CSA hires should extend right through to the end of the 2018 World Cup cycle. Such a contract would also hold the CSA accountable to a greater degree on the due diligence that is practised when assessing the quality of a coach they interested in hiring.

[Fort York Redcoat1555362293]

Of course I want the best coach available to us but with the range of disappointing results we've all witnessed I can't say I have faith in the next coach being such a large upgrade in quality that he's worth waiting past the next international break. Ideally, the maximum wait time for me would be a couple weeks prior to organize and make it so no opportunity to improve is wasted. This particular time it was more to get the bad taste from our mouths but the same policy should apply.

Take your 2 week mourning period CSA and then take the coach wishlist out of the desk that should be constantly updated and make the call(s).

[VPjr]

I hate to give credence to the continual ranting, but he has a point. The way the CSA is continually slow to get things done just doesn't inspire confidence.

Have to disagree.....this is precisely the time to take your time, scan the marketplace and see what happens. Fans are always impatient but now is the time to take a go slow approach. There are plenty of people interested in this job but the key is finding the RIGHT person for the job because the next WC cycle is going to be a challenging one.