Canuck Oranje Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Some claim that this is more than a rumour but it can't be confirmed at the moment. Marc dos Santos is expected by some to be named the Coach of Tupi FC as part of a partnership agreement between Traffic Sports (Desportivo Brasil) and Tupi FC. The move is expected to take place after the Copa Sao Paulo de Futebol Junior and in time for the opening match of the Minas Gerais state championship. A link below (in Portuguese) speaks to the discussions. http://www.tribunademinas.com.br/esporte/tupi-estuda-nomes-para-compor-conselho-1.1195038/comments-7.2062350 Tupi Foot Ball Club is a traditional club (founded 1912) in the city of Juiz de Fora in the state of Minas Gerais. In 2012, the club was relegated from Series C to Series D in the Brazilian National Competition. In the Campeonato Minas Gerais, Tupi will compete against two of Brazil's biggest clubs, Cruzeiro and Atletico Mineiro. Juiz de Fora is the fourth largest city in Minas Gerais with a population of over 500,000. This might be old news for some but the video below shared by Marc dos Santos shows the intensity at the Championship game in the Copa Brasil U15. Yes the team coached by dos Santos won the title last July. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=370574749678299&set=vb.225101400939121&type=2&theater Incidentally his Desportivo Brasil team in the Copa Sao Paulo de Futebol Junior will likely include the next great phenom, Bruno Gomes. Bruno Gomes is already assumed to be on his way to Manchester United but has also attracted attention from AC Milan, Juventus and Chelsea. The kid is still just 16. http://youtu.be/OFnJhflMJwM http://youtu.be/dJ4T9ygTXs8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Well, at face value it looks better on the CV to have coached a Serie D team (Tupi FC) at the "national" level (Serie D is regionalized) than a Sao Paolo B2 side (the rumour he would take over Desportivo senior side). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted December 2, 2012 Author Share Posted December 2, 2012 It is true that Serie D is regionalized but only in the first phase. After that, it is a two-leg knock out tournament with the semi-finalists promoting to Series C. It also needs to be understood that in Brazil, clubs reformulate for each competition. In other words, the Tupi team that plays at the State level may look substantially different from the one the plays in Series D. In fact, the Tupi team that plays in the State tournament will likely be substantially different from the one to play at the Serie D level. It will also likely be far better than the Serie D team. My understanding is that there will also be a number of Desportivo Brasil players placed at Tupi. The partnership with Desportivo Brasil is likely what brings him to Tupi (if it happens). Don't kid yourself, it will be Desportivo Brasil that will be driving the bus in this partnership if it happens. Also, no one should assume that coaching the Copa Sao Paulo de Futebol Junior at Desportivo Brasil is a step down in quality from coaching at that level at the bigger more recognized clubs. The training centre that Desportivo Brasil has and the quality of players it has match the big clubs. Desportivo Brasil may not be recognized in North America but it is recognized in Brasil and in Europe as the Brazilian club affiliated with Manchester United. Incidentally, Desportivo won the Sao Paulo state title at the U17 level on Saturday. That same team also has virtually won every international tournament it has entered. Many of the U17 players will be on the Copa Sao Paulo team. With dos Santos taking their Copa Sao Paulo team, it means a lot of people are entrusting some very good talent in the hands of a Canadian. That in itself is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 It is true that Serie D is regionalized but only in the first phase. After that, it is a two-leg knock out tournament with the semi-finalists promoting to Series C. It also needs to be understood that in Brazil, clubs reformulate for each competition. In other words, the Tupi team that plays at the State level may look substantially different from the one the plays in Series D. In fact, the Tupi team that plays in the State tournament will likely be substantially different from the one to play at the Serie D level. It will also likely be far better than the Serie D team. My understanding is that there will also be a number of Desportivo Brasil players placed at Tupi. The partnership with Desportivo Brasil is likely what brings him to Tupi (if it happens). Don't kid yourself, it will be Desportivo Brasil that will be driving the bus in this partnership if it happens. Also, no one should assume that coaching the Copa Sao Paulo de Futebol Junior at Desportivo Brasil is a step down in quality from coaching at that level at the bigger more recognized clubs. The training centre that Desportivo Brasil has and the quality of players it has match the big clubs. Desportivo Brasil may not be recognized in North America but it is recognized in Brasil and in Europe as the Brazilian club affiliated with Manchester United. Incidentally, Desportivo won the Sao Paulo state title at the U17 level on Saturday. That same team also has virtually won every international tournament it has entered. Many of the U17 players will be on the Copa Sao Paulo team. With dos Santos taking their Copa Sao Paulo team, it means a lot of people are entrusting some very good talent in the hands of a Canadian. That in itself is impressive. Insightful, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackdude Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Who cares about Serie D? It's Brazilian soccer. He'll be the manager in the Campeonato Minas Gerais against big teams like Atletico Mineiro and Cruzeiro. Brazilians often change coaches in May for the national championships. He's been in Brazil for around 14 months and will be on his fourth job after Primera Camisa, Palmeiras and Desportivo. Also, I tweeted something mentioning MdS against Cruziero and Atletico Mineiro without an @ mention and he retweeted it. So it's as good as done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Who cares about Serie D? It's Brazilian soccer. He'll be the manager in the Campeonato Minas Gerais against big teams like Atletico Mineiro and Cruzeiro. Brazilians often change coaches in May for the national championships. He's been in Brazil for around 14 months and will be on his fourth job after Primera Camisa, Palmeiras and Desportivo. Also, I tweeted something mentioning MdS against Cruziero and Atletico Mineiro without an @ mention and he retweeted it. So it's as good as done. Your missing the point, movement by players and coaches in Brasilian soccer is very very normal, 18 months in and three stops in coaching thats about right. This will be a good move for Marc to the south of Minais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Who cares about Serie D? It's Brazilian soccer. He'll be the manager in the Campeonato Minas Gerais against big teams like Atletico Mineiro and Cruzeiro. Brazilians often change coaches in May for the national championships. He's been in Brazil for around 14 months and will be on his fourth job after Primera Camisa, Palmeiras and Desportivo. Yes, but he'll also be playing against teeny minnows - half the state first division doesn't even play at the national level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 First off, this is now academic. Desportivo Brasil killed the partnership. http://www.tribunademinas.com.br/esporte/traffic-recua-e-tupi-vai-atras-de-novos-patrocinadores-1.1196861 But in answer to the "teeny minnows" comment, those teeny minnows have teeth for the State tournaments. Especially, in Minas, Sao Paulo and Rio. Just an example, Alex Cazumba who play with Los Angeles Galaxy in 2010 and in 2011. Cazumba was to play with XV de Piracicaba for the Sao Paulo state league in early 2012 and didn't last two months. He has since moved on to play in the Greek super league. Minnows load up for the state league. In their case, contracts might only be for four months. At the same time, no one should undervalue the opportunity to coach a top Copa Sao Paulo de Futebol Junior team. It is in no way an over statement to say that it is comparable to US college basketball's March Madness. The Desportivo Brasil team's transfer value would be as high as the transfer value of any of the youth teams of big Brazilian clubs. The minnows in this tournament also have teeth because they too load up with players wanting to get into the big showcase but not with one of the big clubs. That's why there are so many upsets. I find it somewhat ironic that there are some Canadian fans that seem to dismiss this as some irrelevant adventure on the part of dos Santos. As someone who has watched some of the the Copa Sao Paulo de Futebol Junior games, I am comfortable saying that on technical skill alone, the quality of soccer in this tournament is way better than MLS. Physically, MLS is still tougher and has stronger more mature players. But a player like Bruno Gomes (currently with Desportivo Brasil) likely never be affordable for an MLS team for at least 15 years. And I have heard and read comments from dos Santos saying virtually the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted December 7, 2012 Author Share Posted December 7, 2012 On the Sao Paulo Second Division (Segunda) where the senior Desportivo Brasil team plays, it needs to emphasized that this is more of a strengthened U-23 league than anything because some big clubs use it as a development league (but usually not under their club name). It might also be more difficult than some leagues ranked above it because it is often the case that once a team promtes from the Segunda, it promotes the next year from A3 to A2. It should be noted that Portuguesa (Serie A team in the Brasileirao) will play A2 this year while teams not even playing at the national level play in the A1. I also know examples of individual players that have moved directly from the Segunda to Serie A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I find it somewhat ironic that there are some Canadian fans that seem to dismiss this as some irrelevant adventure on the part of dos Santos.As someone who has watched some of the the Copa Sao Paulo de Futebol Junior games, I am comfortable saying that on technical skill alone, the quality of soccer in this tournament is way better than MLS. Physically, MLS is still tougher and has stronger more mature players. But a player like Bruno Gomes (currently with Desportivo Brasil) likely never be affordable for an MLS team for at least 15 years. And I have heard and read comments from dos Santos saying virtually the same. Where in this thread have you seen anyone dismiss what dos Santos is doing? Anyways, my point about the state tournament is that the winner and runner up are already a foregone conclusion (this is a two-horse race and the last 70 years of history would seem to agree with me). MdS would have been battling for 3rd place against the likes of America and Villa Nova and making sure his team didn't stumble against the weaker sides. IMO it's a better gauge of a coaches ability to see what he can do in a league where the clubs are more evenly matched as they would be in Serie D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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