Robert Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Dear Kurtis, Is the Canadian Soccer Association responsible for Canadian soccer being held in such low esteem throughout the world? Sadly, aside from the young and impressionable Voyageurs, a far greater number of knowledgeable Canadian soccer supporters, who regularly gather in sports cafes from coast to coast to watch real soccer, tends to agree with the global assessment and gave up watching Canadian soccer many years ago. Each year, more and more of the disillusioned Voyageurs wind up joining the ranks of the real Canadian majority, while the CSA’s promotional campaigns such as “see thee rise” scramble to show the one or two sections of BMO field are that filled with pseudo Canadian soccer supporters, unable to show a full aerial photograph of the entire stadium bursting at the seams with red-clad Canadian soccer fans as they would like. I cannot think of one single thing that the CSA has done since 1997 (the last time Canada was good enough to be considered one of the top six soccer playing countries in CONCACAF) to help Canadian soccer players become internationally competitive. The facts are undeniable. The CSA will provide a million reasons why they only arrange one international friendly in Canada every two years. The CSA will come up with a million and one excuses to tell us why it is impossible to establish a soccer structure in Canada, where elite Canadian players could develop their skills to an internationally competitive level. My friend Kurtis Larson, of the Toronto Sun, claims the 8-1 debacle in Honduras last week will never happen again. He describes Canada’s players as brilliant and being of top international calibre. Hummm. It’s nice to be a homer and optimistic, but please Kurtis let’s be reasonably objective and face the music. The Gold Cup tournament next summer will be the next test for our national team, which is now without a coach. How long do you think it will take the CSA to hire one? It’s not like Victor Montagliani is known to expedite things quickly when it comes to arranging friendlies in this hemisphere. Speaking of which, when are we going to play our next friendly? Do you think Mr. Montagliani should ask Honduras for a friendly match to show us that you are right? For some reason I suspect that Mr. Montagliani might be a little too chicken right now, don’t you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler453 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I fully agree with him that we will NEVER see that scoreline again. It was the worst possible game they could have played next to lying down on the field and doing nothing, and we had a captain that was not there to motivate his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Speaking of which, when are we going to play our next friendly? Do you think Mr. Montagliani should ask Honduras for a friendly match to show us that you are right? For some reason I suspect that Mr. Montagliani might be a little too chicken right now, don’t you? In a sea of ranting, I thought this was actually an interesting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 It's too easy to harp about the 8-1 loss, but it's not the first time. We lost to Mexico in Azteca 8-0 in 1993 even with Craig Forrest in goal. The same Craig Forrest who let in all goals in his Ipswich club loss to Man U 9-0. Yet this is the same Craig Forrest who back stopped Canada for all its wins in the 2000 Gold Cup against Mexico, T&T, and Colombia. And during 1994's 1-1 tie against WC champion Brazil. And has been deemed one of the best goalkeepers in Canadian soccer history. The lesson is, you just never know. Lopsided losses like the past one in Honduras DO happen sometimes, but the key here is that everyone must learn their lessons and try not to duplicate that again. Like black swans, global financial tsunamis, and Toronto championship teams, lop-sided losses DO happen sometimes. (just kidding about the TO teams) And no, asking for a rematch against Honduras is too early at this point IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Definitely a good call on the friendly. Even without a coach we should be playing in November to get the youngsters in the set up ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmateo Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 " Sadly, aside from the young and impressionable Voyageurs, a far greater number of knowledgeable Canadian soccer supporters, who regularly gather in sports cafes from coast to coast to watch real soccer, tends to agree with the global assessment and gave up watching Canadian soccer many years ago. Each year, more and more of the disillusioned Voyageurs wind up joining the ranks of the real Canadian majority, while the CSA’s promotional campaigns such as “see thee rise” scramble to show the one or two sections of BMO field are that filled with pseudo Canadian soccer supporters," HUH?????? Never got on this bandwagon "knowledgeable" bar-sitting euro-footie watching crowd; most don't know **** about soccer. How do I know? 'Cause I grew up playing with a lot of these types yelling on the sidelines 'coaching', running community soccer into the deep hole and a few who've grown into protected spots in the CSA up until now. Outside of their 'position', these people were rarely interested in how Canada was doing in the long term, they wanted to win like their euro team and live out the fantasy on the otherside of the world. Huge problems with the CSA and how Canada played, but why throw people under the bus who take time and energy to give importance to the Canadian game, who do not walk away at tough defeats are not a minority of soccer-loving "idiots" to the majority of knowledgeable tv watchers? Both can produce footballing genuises and dimwits in equal measure. Those who stick through Canada's troubles are not dumb and unaware of whats happening when they watch the team lose over and over again. But their commitment is not to throw hands in the air and flick on a tv to watch "real" football and become a 'knowledgeable' supporter because they watch Manchester, Real Madrid, Barcelona, and whatever else top team play with the world's most expensively purchased players (Canada would be great if we could buy the citizenship of the next Messi no?). Canada DOES need to get more friendlies against comparable and regional opponents. Does need to take more seriously the home development of players and making sure that the opportunities available challenge the skill levels of youth in the country and we do need to make sure that clubs promote and recognize skill levels of children and coaches and cut out the nepotistism and selfish 'win at all cost' attitude, which includes of many of 'my euro team' types. As a whole we ALL need to take responsibility and start to recognize that VERY FEW Canadians know ANYTHING about this sport, we need to be a lot more humble about what we are doing and how we achieve our goals, listen better to those who do know something, and recognize that we need to look for a lot more profound learning in the sport. In reality I think the Voyageurs represent that type of attitude with the organizing (if not in each of out 'football' strategies), small steps towards the goal, without overreaching or undercutting, and always supporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 sponsons towrads democary blah blah blah later rinse repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Dear Kurtis, My friend Kurtis Larson, of the Toronto Sun... I've never seen anybody write an open letter to a friend before, let alone a sports journalist friend. sponsons towrads democary blah blah blah later rinse repeat Yup. Although as others have posted Robert does indeed have a point with regards to playing friendlies. Hart is not needed to call up some young guys and play a friendly. Any opponent will do. We should have booked somebody for November, and we should also book a friendly for both February and March FIFA dates. A lower-ranked central american country like Nicaragua would be perfect. Get the lads used to playing in that part of the world, yet an opponent we feel we can handle to bring back confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 In a sea of ranting, I thought this was actually an interesting point. Our next friendly. When will that be? Canada’s first opportunity for an international friendly will probably during the days two days that FIFA sets aside just prior to Match Day 1 of the Hex. Has the CSA already started negotiations with other nations? Or will Victor Montagliani neglect these opportunities to prepare the national team for next year’s Gold Cup matches now that Canada has been eliminated from World Cup contention? If he does decide to secure an international friendly in 2013, who will the opponent be? The risk of incurring back-to-back blowouts against any of the Hex participants probably rules out any attractive opponents and a match against a beatable country like Turks and Caicos will probably not fleece too many $20 bills from impressionable, beer-guzzling Voyageurs and their grandmothers. Then there is the small matter of not having a national team coach at this time, so don’t expect to see any men’s matches in Canada during 2013. The best I see Victor doing is arranging a friendly for the European-based players in Reykjavik, Iceland, and even that will prove to be a tall order for our current team. I pity the fool called Montagliani. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 Lopsided losses like the past one in Honduras DO happen sometimes, but the key here is that everyone must learn their lessons and try not to duplicate that again. Like black swans, global financial tsunamis, and Toronto championship teams, lop-sided losses DO happen sometimes. (just kidding about the TO teams) And no, asking for a rematch against Honduras is too early at this point IMO. What would the reaction be in Honduras, England, Italy, Columbia, Iraq or any country of your choice if they lost 8-1 in the deciding match of a World Cup qualifying group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 What would the reaction be in Honduras, England, Italy, Columbia, Iraq or any country of your choice if they lost 8-1 in the deciding match of a World Cup qualifying group? Despondent disbelief followed by anger. Just like here. Robert, it's pretty clear you don't even read the other threads on this site, you just spam it with your drunken diatribes that you keep sending to journalists around the country. BTW, how are the book sales coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I'm disappointed. I thought this thread would be Robert's ode to the great Kurtis Blow, even though he's more of a basketball fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Dear Kurtis, Is the Canadian Soccer Association responsible for Canadian soccer being held in such low esteem throughout the world? Sadly, aside from the young and impressionable Voyageurs, a far greater number of knowledgeable Canadian soccer supporters, who regularly gather in sports cafes from coast to coast to watch real soccer, tends to agree with the global assessment and gave up watching Canadian soccer many years ago. Each year, more and more of the disillusioned Voyageurs wind up joining the ranks of the real Canadian majority, while the CSA’s promotional campaigns such as “see thee rise” scramble to show the one or two sections of BMO field are that filled with pseudo Canadian soccer supporters, unable to show a full aerial photograph of the entire stadium bursting at the seams with red-clad Canadian soccer fans as they would like. FCK You Robert. Don't attack us again. I am sick of this ****. We did all we could. Two years of my life fcking wasted and I won't take this **** anymore. Stop blaming us or calling us out. As far as I am concerned you are one of us and this sh!t doesn't help. Direct the bullsh!t at the right people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 FCK You Robert. Don't attack us again. I am sick of this ****. We did all we could. Two years of my life fcking wasted and I won't take this **** anymore. Stop blaming us or calling us out. As far as I am concerned you are one of us and this sh!t doesn't help. Direct the bullsh!t at the right people. Hey Jamie...I know it's probably too soon, but in terms of printing and stuff...does the name Ryonet mean anything to you? I can direct you to some GREAT instructional videos for all sorts of screening and printing I can show you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Well done, Jamie. Previously I was content with just laughing off Robert's post as delusional garbage, but when he calls into question the motives or dedication of people such as yourself, a line has to be drawn. Robert, provide some actual useful suggestions or just shut the hell up and go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUJO Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 why dont you guys just ban him if you hate him so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I personally find calling some of us, "young", to be quite the compliment. I haven't been carded for alcohol in over 20 years. Robert: your over generalizations about us and even the CSA are repetitive and tiresome. So do you have any opinions on the players on the national men's or women's team specifically? Or are you a one trick pony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Dear Kurtis, a far greater number of knowledgeable Canadian soccer supporters, who regularly gather in sports cafes from coast to coast to watch real soccer, tends to agree with the global assessment and gave up watching Canadian soccer many years ago. How can you be a "Canadian soccer supporter" and not watch "Canadian soccer". This does not make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I appreciate that everyone is still really disappointed, angry ect... But there is just no sense in disparaging the one good thing to come out of this round, and that is us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Yeah - well done Jaime. There are tons of people on here who have put in lots of hours and money supporting this team, so to call out any of our actual intentions really is bull****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympique_de_Marseille Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Two years of my life fcking wasted and I won't take this **** anymore. Don't think like this. You've done a good job of growing the V's. Think like this: the one good thing to come out of this round, and that is us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 Yeah - well done Jaime. There are tons of people on here who have put in lots of hours and money supporting this team, so to call out any of our actual intentions really is bull****. It is, but we also need to be aware that he is just as upset as the rest of us. I accept he is just expressing it differently, but you can't just repeatedly call us something we are not. We need to move on, and get things going again in the new year as 2013-2016 are going to be really really busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj52 Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 It is, but we also need to be aware that he is just as upset as the rest of us. I accept he is just expressing it differently, but you can't just repeatedly call us something we are not. We need to move on, and get things going again in the new year as 2013-2016 are going to be really really busy. Well said, I think everyone here should have thick enough skins by now to withstand Robert's "attacks". If nothing else, it's always entertaining to read "Joe Mccarthy's" responses to Robert's compulsive silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 You can't even be mad at the guy, he's clearly delusional. The real "Canadian" supporters are the ones supporting European football and ignoring the domestic game? Hmmm I guess we should honour ********** as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted October 27, 2012 Share Posted October 27, 2012 I response to the question "what would the other nations do if they lost 8-1 in their largest WCQ game", they'd go bat****, can the coach, and dump ALL OF THE AVAILABLE MONEY THEY HAVE towards picking up someone like Sven Goran Ericksson who would bomb them out again anyway. The key part of this of course, if the all caps didn't give it away, is the financial backing those nations posted have towards their program. We don't, so stop comparing apples to oranges please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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