Robert Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Thank you Honduras for showing the world how truly ****ty the Canadian Men’s National Team really is. Yes, that now infamous 8-1 defeat will be something we have to live with for quite some time. Why? I’m glad you asked. The 8-1 score by soccer-standards would be the equivalent of 16-2 score-line in the NHL (using a 2:1 ratio). It would be the equivalent of 24-3 score-line in MLB (using a 3:1 ratio). It would be the equivalent of 104-13 score-line in the NFL (using a 13:1). In the NBA … In other words, the 8-1 result really stands out, especially when you consider the magnitude of this match. Some may argue that the 8-1 score-line will soon get lost in the copious volume of matches that make up the qualifying stage of the World Cup tournament. Well, that may depend to a large degree on whether or not Honduras ends up qualifying from next year’s Hex for the World Cup Final. If they you, then from the time that FIFA holds the World Cup Final draw in December of 2013 until the start of the Final in Brazil during the summer of 2014, every soccer enthusiast in the world will be studying programs, magazines, newspapers, books and everything that is available on the internet to see how Honduras qualified for the World Cup Final. This will especially be the case for those fans from the three countries that end up in the same group as Honduras. In 2010 enthusiasts from Spain, Chile and Switzerland learned that Honduras’ road to South Africa included 2-1 and 3-1 victories over Canada. An 8-1 victory this time around will definitely attract closer scrutiny! People will want to know who was running the Canadian Soccer Association back in October of 2012. Well if they Google who the COO (or the General Secretary Consulate as he likes to call himself) was, they will find out that it was Peter Montopoli. If they Google who the President of the CSA was, they will learn that it was Victor Montagliani. When they Google who are filling those positions in 2014 and they find out that Peter Montopoli is still working for that insurance salesman from British Columbia, and then Canada will really be the laughing stock of international soccer. I dare that if I was president of the CSA there would be no Peter Montopoli around, that’s for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Didn't Montagliani promise a whole lot of changes during his campaign and subsequently? Yeap, now instead of losing by 1 goal we progressed to 7. I am dying to find out who the next coach for CMNT will be. Will Montagliani really do something significant and positive or are we going to have another failing coach to add to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I dare that if I was president of the CSA there would be no Peter Montopoli around, that’s for sure. Yes, but there's also be investigations into all of Toronto's Voyageur's Cup wins looking for evidence of nepotistic match fixing going on, with referees paying off the thunder god and suppressing modern pitch-fork technology. So really, I can live with this trade off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPanic Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I do like a good Robert post every now and then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Boy, I just don't think I can live with the shame of random weirdos from Chile and Switzerland going on Google and finding out who the president of the CSA was when this loss happened. Oooh, the humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Boy, I just don't think I can live with the shame of random weirdos from Chile and Switzerland going on Google and finding out who the president of the CSA was when this loss happened. Oooh, the humanity! Chuckle ... the 'imaginary audience' on steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 How convenient to omit those from World Champions Spain. Typical of some on this board though. For some reason I seem to bring out the best in them Boy, I just don't think I can live with the shame of random weirdos from Chile and Switzerland going on Google and finding out who the president of the CSA was when this loss happened. Oooh, the humanity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Haha, OK, you got me. I'm part of the sponsons' conspiracy to suppress democary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Haha, OK, you got me. I'm part of the sponsons' conspiracy to suppress democary. Towrads a better democary, with nepotism for all, comrade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Towrads a better democary, with nepotism for all, comrade! Up the TOWRADS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 Chuckle ... the 'imaginary audience' on steroids. Here, lets chuckle some more. How bad was Canada’s 8-1 defeat in Honduras? The biggest blowouts achieved by countries that qualified for the 2010 World Cup were as follows: 7-0 Mexico – Belize 7-0 Slovakia – San Marino 6-0 Uruguay – Peru 6-0 England – Andorra 6-1 USA – Cuba 5-0 Brazil – Ecuador 5-0 Cameroon - Mauritius 5-0 France – Faroe Islands 5-0 Ivory Coast – Burkina Faso and Malawi 5-0 Serbia – Romania 5-0 Slovenia – San Marino 5-0 Spain - Belgium If Victor could arrange an international friendly as fast as he fired Hart, maybe things would change. Firing somesome to save your own azz is about as low as one can go. Unforunately, it will only take most of you another four years to see that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Up the TOWRADS!!Down with SPONSONS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 Down with SPONSONS! Joe, you poor misguided soul. "EIGHT TO ONE" and you'd still prefer to focus on your distain for me instead. When business at the XL Food plant in Brooks, Alberta went as catastrophically wrong as they did in Honduras, it wasn’t the manager of the killing floor that got fired. The top brass was held accountable and took the fall, which is precisely what should happen to Victor Montagliani and Peter Montopoli. XL went Brazilian, the United States Soccer Federation has gone German, and maybe it’s high time that the CSA went foreign as well? But then you continue on with you stupid insignificant value judgements of me. If you're not part of the solution then you are part of the problem, which is something that has been obvious from the start and hence you will also have to go. That day will come. Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 Are you from Brooks, Alberta? I've been there. CSA can't compare to XL Foods or Lakeside Packers (previous owners) for mismanagement in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/10/18/letters-oct-19 At least one newspaper that I know is listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/10/18/letters-oct-19 At least one newspaper that I know is listening. In the letters to the editor section? Any tom, dick or harry is welcome to put their opinion there...doesn't mean everyone reads or listens to it. Still, in Alberta, it's nice to see ANY mention of soccer in the paper, even if it is decontsructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Joe, you poor misguided soul. "EIGHT TO ONE" and you'd still prefer to focus on your distain for me instead. But then you continue on with you stupid insignificant value judgements of me. If you're not part of the solution then you are part of the problem, which is something that has been obvious from the start and hence you will also have to go. That day will come. Mark my words. Is that some sort of psycho threat? People ridicule your posts because you are batpoop crazy! Nobody is hiding their head in the sand over this team. You are the one with the deranged vendetta against the CSA. They are but one part of the problem. You tell me how the women can go from last place in the World Cup to a bronze medal in the Olympics, it wasn't that their skills suddenly improved. It was what was between their ears got better. Same with the men. The CSA or Stephen Hart can't take the field for them. The more the CSA has given the proma donnas the less return they have received. If the search mechanism on this site worked half decently I could show you the number of posts I have made of what I think the problem is. How can we dominate Honduras here and get killed by them there? It's because our team has no heart and now no Hart. People here loved to ridicule the Watsons and Fenwicks but they would never have put in a gutless performance like that. Our team seems to lack moral fibre and leadership. Two or three guys who aren't going to be intimidated and thus drag the rest along. It's just my opinion and I have nothing to back it but I think the former TFC boys have been a detriment to this team. This generation of team just hasn't cut it and it won't break my heart when most of them are gone even if I feel there isn't much waiting in the wings. Iarusci echos my thoughts Listen now: Bob Iarusci with Jeff Blair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 People here loved to ridicule the Watsons and Fenwicks but they would never have put in a gutless performance like that. Our team seems to lack moral fibre and leadership. Two or three guys who aren't going to be intimidated and thus drag the rest along. It's just my opinion and I have nothing to back it but I think the former TFC boys have been a detriment to this team. This generation of team just hasn't cut it and it won't break my heart when most of them are gone even if I feel there isn't much waiting in the wings. I don't disagree with the substance of your post in general (and of course the responses to Robert too ) but we had plenty of gutless, folded-quicker-than-the-wash in the face of adversity performances when we played the Fenwicks and Watsons too. The scoreline might have been less horrific but on the pitch the team falling apart all the same, rudderless, headless, pointless. Even if it were provable the claim that we had more guts back then spurious at best, and when we look at the results and remember some of those games we can admit that it is a myth. Home and away against TnT in 2000 were brutal. Away to Tnt in 1998 deflating after that own goal. San Salvador and Costa Rica in 1997. I didn't see it but I'm sure we were full value for the seven nil loss to Mexico in the early nineties. We have never been good away from home and the reason our guys fold so easily isn't the moral fibre of those individuals it is the fact that we have no league of our own - nowhere for our guys to learn a common soccer language, solidify a style or type of play, get to know each other as they grow up, play week in week out together or at least against each other as they develop, no pro homebase close enough to these away venues to schedule meaningful friendlies in those countries. We call up relative strangers from increasingly professional environments across the world to come in for ten days and play two games in some of the most difficult qualifying conditions in the world. Conditions they almost never face as youth Nats since qualifying tournaments are held centrally - and that's if they were part of our setup to begin with. Conditions they might face three times in four years as adult Nats - and that's if they get called up each time, and if they see the pitch for all three games. Against teams that know each other and largely play in their domestic leagues, who are comfy with the home venue/atmosphere and for whom away games are in relatively tame professional environments like BMO and Commonwealth. You are correct, it is a generational thing - absolutely, it is obvious that our results are getting worse by the generation! - but it's because the further we get from the NASL, CSL and even A-League days the worse its gonna keep getting. It's not rocket science. We have four pro teams, three of which play in a league that doesn't require them to play Canadians, and a fourth that's teetering on the edge of being almost part-time in a league whose stability will always be in question. Neither developing at Gillingham or Cottbus or Lille, nor the experience of a Tuesday night away to Vitesse or Braunschweig or Barnsley is going to prepare them for CONCACAF Nats duty, ever. All the 'heart' and 'guts' in the world aren't going to alleviate those factors. Focusing on moral fibre leadership heart crap was certainly my immediate emotional response too, don't get me wrong, but really once cooler heads prevail we have to admit it just distracts from the real problems. It's not that the leadership potential isn't there, it is that none of them have the common foundation upon which to exercise it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Joe, you poor misguided soul. "EIGHT TO ONE" and you'd still prefer to focus on your distain for me instead. Actually, Robert, I think Joe realizes, like a lot of other people around here, that it didn't matter whether we lost 8-1 or 1-0 or 3-2 in the final game of the Hex, your diatribe would still be the same. After 10+ years, it's getting a little long in the tooth and it almost seems like you look forward to Canada losing so that you can post your press releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Here, lets chuckle some more. How bad was Canada’s 8-1 defeat in Honduras? The biggest blowouts achieved by countries that qualified for the 2010 World Cup were as follows: 7-0 Mexico – Belize 7-0 Slovakia – San Marino 6-0 Uruguay – Peru 6-0 England – Andorra 6-1 USA – Cuba 5-0 Brazil – Ecuador 5-0 Cameroon - Mauritius 5-0 France – Faroe Islands 5-0 Ivory Coast – Burkina Faso and Malawi 5-0 Serbia – Romania 5-0 Slovenia – San Marino 5-0 Spain - Belgium If Victor could arrange an international friendly as fast as he fired Hart, maybe things would change. Firing somesome to save your own azz is about as low as one can go. Unforunately, it will only take most of you another four years to see that! Unfortunately you seem to have completely missed the point of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Robert seems to have missed the banner at the top of this site that says this is a forum for Canadian soccer supporters, not ill-wishers of the program or whatever category Robert fits into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Actually, Robert, I think Joe realizes, like a lot of other people around here, that it didn't matter whether we lost 8-1 or 1-0 or 3-2 in the final game of the Hex, your diatribe would still be the same. After 10+ years, it's getting a little long in the tooth and it almost seems like you look forward to Canada losing so that you can post your press releases. Can we not call these press releases? These are letters that would take up an entire page of the newspaper, being sent as letters to the editor, by a self-published author who thinks the CSA schemes to make the worst-performing club in the country national champions, and thinks amateur players should've gone to Honduras. These are not press-releases, they are the rantings of a self-important jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe MacCarthy Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 These are not press-releases, they are the rantings of a self-important jackass.I believe the proper term is idiot manifestos (coined by someone whose name I can't recall) Edit: Free kick coined the original phrase "idiots manifestos" (sic) Wow, the search mechanism actually worked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Wouldn't it be more embarrassing if Honduras finishes dead last in the HEX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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