Keegan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 What are we as the Voyageurs going to do about this? Not saying it needs to be immediate but we should definitely shake things up here. I mean we just lost 8-1 in the most important match in over a decade. EIGHT to ONE. This isn't okay. This wouldn't be okay for New Caledonia FFS. The Voyageurs as a group hold a lot of leverage and power, it's time to use it. How much money do you think the CSA has made over the past 2 years from the Voyageurs efforts alone? How many sleepless nights did Jamie have as a VOLUNTEER to help this program? Imagine we just said "**** it" like the CSA always does? Canada would have finished with 2 points again. If we don't do anything the CSA is just gonna let the storm blow over and in the 2013 Gold Cup we'll see another old boy at the helm with a backroom staff of fellow old boys. Anyone? Face it, without the Voyageurs the CMNT will turn to NOTHING. And that's not an exaggeration. Look at TFC and where their mismanagement has led them... they've lost the supporters groups which probably brought in over 50% of the fans, even those not in the south end and now they're in crisis. Something needs to be done. I'm not waiting four years for more of the same bull****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 We need to respond to this officially in a press release aimed at both the media and government criticizing how the CSA operates and their use of tax dollars among other things. We need to send it to every major paper and MP in both languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Boycott the next home game. Money talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 Boycott the next home game. Money talks That is our leverage not our solution. If change isn't made, then yes by all means. But I think one of our demands/ideas should be that at least 2 home matches are played each year, one on each coast. We want to help build the brand of the CMNT but we can't do it without home matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 ( Toronto ) The Voyageurs Canada's National Soccer Supporters, would like to apologize to Canada and all Canadians for the results of the Canada versus Honduras soccer game on 16 October 2012 in San Pedro Sula. The results of the game and the manner in which it was played do not embody the culture and values of Canada, to put it clearly we had no heart. The problems of Canadian soccer, mirror in some ways the problems of sport in Canada, we ask, that the Canadian people call there local Members of provincial legislatures to demand that each provincial premiere demand of the Federal Government a national conference on Soccer in Canada to be held under the joint chairing of the Voyageurs and Sport Canada. The conference needs to draw from all parts of Canadian society, government, civic and provincial as well as federal, business leaders of major Canadian and Multi-national firms operating in Canada, representatives of Canadian soccer clubs from across the country. The Canadian Soccer Association as well as members of each provincial governing body are to be asked to take part in the conference as resources to consult on the way forward to achieve a improvement of soccer in Canada in all its official modalities, 11 aside, futsall and beach soccer. ( media contacts ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 Definitely a good start with your ideas Trillium. I'd say that we should team up with other influences to make the bid stronger. Jason De Vos, Gerry Dobson and Craig Forrest are names we are going to want to contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 My problem with a press release is it will do two things. Preach to the converted and reaffirm stupid beliefs. Just depends on whose hands it lands in. Worst case is we look really stupid complaining about a result. I say we let it die wrt to giving it any publicity at all, but find ways to co-opt it internally. This may be too soon but, we need to find a way to own it. If we own it, it can't be used against us. Just brainstorming, don't get all wrangy and bent out of shape. I know my a$$hole still feels like I dropped the soap. We have control over exactly ONE thing. The relationship between the players and the fans on the field. By co-opting I mean things like this... Moment of silence at pre game parties followed by a toast Make sure the players KNOW this ritual exists ect... that it's done by every single Canadian fan across the country before a game. It's subtle, but no player is going to want to be part of that history. Just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 A moment of silence could be an idea but it's definitely not enough.... Maybe you're still in shock, I know I was until this morning. EIGHT to ONE. This is the worst result in the HISTORY of Canadian sports. No exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDM Rover Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 A moment of silence could be an idea but it's definitely not enough.... Maybe you're still in shock, I know I was until this morning. EIGHT to ONE. This is the worst result in the HISTORY of Canadian sports. No exaggeration. This result must serve as a watershed moment in a positive sense. This is the bottom. J ason DeVos has waded into the fray (w/ this piece: http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=407573) and when any sort of action plan like this begins to crystallize, the V's endorsement of it should be public and should carry a lot of weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Im in the works of making a video about this.. will be done in a few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 This result must serve as a watershed moment in a positive sense. This is the bottom. J ason DeVos has waded into the fray (w/ this piece: http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=407573) and when any sort of action plan like this begins to crystallize, the V's endorsement of it should be public and should carry a lot of weight. Agree completely with everything that DeVos said in that article. Need to change everything from the ground up, we don't produce enough talent, the 3 MLS academies should help but we still need to reach out and change the way soccer is coached and played at the youth level. Looking back at the level of coaching I had as a kid it was pathetic, and every team in the league I played in was no better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Just an idea of silence for the next Home game. The game starts V go Crazy then as soon as 1st minute mark hit SILENCE until the 8th minute mark. The Capos can have maybe 1guy bang a hit a drum in a dark melody for that time. This will be a reminder to All players and staff on MNT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Canada is not a club team. Moments of silence and other similar protests won't work cause the new players coming into the setup shouldn't bear the brunt of our anger - and won't fully appreciate it. By the time we next have to qualify for the World Cup, we'll all still remember 8-1 but it shouldn't taint any optimism for 2016. Otherwise, we're just bitter old men and women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Canada is not a club team. Moments of silence and other similar protests won't work cause the new players coming into the setup shouldn't bear the brunt of our anger - and won't fully appreciate it. By the time we next have to qualify for the World Cup, we'll all still remember 8-1 but it shouldn't taint any optimism for 2016. Otherwise, we're just bitter old men and women. agreed but a sign stating We Rmbr Honduras play and fight till you drop dead could work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I think we should make our voices heard, this is totally unacceptable but we need to hear what the CSA has to say! The fact that Hart has not resigned or been fired is cause for concern alone but the plane just landed yesterday! It will be good to discuss this here and get a bit of a consensus from fellow V's as to how we should tackle this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensco Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I would definitely want to capture the point that this is not just about the game Tuesday. We have regressed over 10-20 years, and finished behind Panama and Honduras on the merits. Should countries with 1/4 the population and 1/40th the GDP of Canada be demonstrably better than us? Frank Yallop used a phrase yesterday in describing this yesterday: "Somebody needs to wake up and say, this is not fun". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeelaw Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 As for the press release. Be wary, I don't really like the idea of one letter representing us all. It sets a bad precedent for other future problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 As for the press release. Be wary, I don't really like the idea of one letter representing us all. It says a bad precedent for one other future problems. +1. Further, concerning this letter I don't really think we as fans ought to be apologizing for an away match that we weren't able to attend. When the games came to Toronto, the south stands were packed with fans, chanting and waving flags. To whom do we owe an apology when we held up our end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I honestly think a (short term) answer lies more in the funding angle than in fan protests/rituals. Although I agree that a meaningful ritual that comes out of this might be necessary as much for healing purposes as anything else, it is also clear that many Vs are well-connected and able. All of that funding that was going to magically materialize if we made the hex needs to materialize anyway and our programs need to be flush. In a way I find this to be an analogy to so many things that surround the team. The leadership issue, the dual-citizenship issue, the funding issue, the casual fan issue ... they all scream the same thing ... that when it comes down to it the team will suffer on all of these fronts until they win. IMHO if that is what Canadian Soccer is about then we will never win due to a critical lack of character at all levels. We need people to step up and be leaders. The players on the pitch need to step up, the fence-sitters need to step up and not hide behind excuses and bide their time waiting for greener pastures, casual fans need to step up and realize that it should be considered an honour to cheer for one's country regardless of the circumstances and stop hiding behind the fandom of Barcelona or some other European club, and corporate Canada needs to step up and start supporting the cause and not worry about JUST what they are going to get out of it. As far as I'm concerned the only group who is consistently pulling their weight are the Vs ... in fact they are outdoing all the other groups named above. Sorry Trillium but screw apologies ... I understand what you are getting at but I would think a good old-fashioned guilt trip to the pussies that are hiding behind their shields might be more appropriate. Sorry for the rant ... two sleepless nights have not helped my mood. The main message was supposed to be that our programs need funds and I think it within our collective power to induce some funding out of the corporate powers that be. At least in the short term that might help the CMNT find a coach that can get a little more out of our boys than Hart did (and quite literally, a few inches vs. Honduras at home is all we needed to move on). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPanic Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I'm with Jamie.. We need to own this. Make it ours. Make it a "Voyageurs" thing. Lets get it on T-Shirts. Lets make it a point of honour that WE didn't give up. Most people who were casual fans will forget this game soon enough. Some V's have even suggested that it was the final straw for them, great I say. Our team gave a gutless performance, lets not give a gutless response. We, the Voyageurs, have NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP to apologize for. .... This may be too soon but, we need to find a way to own it. If we own it, it can't be used against us... Just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 My problem with a press release is it will do two things. Preach to the converted and reaffirm stupid beliefs. Just depends on whose hands it lands in. Worst case is we look really stupid complaining about a result. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Just an idea of silence for the next Home game. The game starts V go Crazy then as soon as 1st minute mark hit SILENCE until the 8th minute mark. The Capos can have maybe 1guy bang a hit a drum in a dark melody for that time. This will be a reminder to All players and staff on MNT. When I talked about a moment of silence, I am talking about a pre game ritual, not at a game or in the stadium. We will never see this team again (players & coach). Game day(s) are rare, this isn't a club team. We need to bring it 100% on game day no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 The other problem with any press release is it is so hard to get agreement on here as to how it should be worded! There are so many different opinions and ideas from the posters on here which makes it tough to reach a consensus, that's part of the appeal of this board though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Just to reiterate above, there is no way we apologize for anything. We don't run the clubs, the leagues, or anything for that matter. We do one thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 It would be naive to think the CSA will come to The Voyageurs for advice on hiring a coach or something like that, as Jamie I think is pointing out, we are supporters, that's what we do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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