Redcoatsforever Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I believe you're referring to "Dunlop". Frankly, we ought to call the core next-gen Canadian players for our next friendlies, and then play Carribean minnows to get some wins, gel the team, and get our confidence up before the next Gold Cup. Intersperse a game or two against South American teams like Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela, etc. to make sure the guys are challenged to up their game. This will pad our FIFA ranking, provide good experience for the up-and-comers, and develop them into a group that knows how to move the ball and trusts eachother ahead of the next WCQ campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstepp817 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Frankly, we ought to call the core next-gen Canadian players for our next friendlies, and then play Carribean minnows to get some wins, gel the team, and get our confidence up before the next Gold Cup. Intersperse a game or two against South American teams like Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela, etc. to make sure the guys are challenged to up their game. This will pad our FIFA ranking, provide good experience for the up-and-comers, and develop them into a group that knows how to move the ball and trusts eachother ahead of the next WCQ campaign. Home friendlies I'm not worried about as much, but I'd like to see the games scheduled somewhere other than Toronto for sure. I like the idea of away friendlies vs. lower tier S. American opponents to try and get used to the hostile environment etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toje Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Frankly, we ought to call the core next-gen Canadian players for our next friendlies, and then play Carribean minnows to get some wins, gel the team, and get our confidence up before the next Gold Cup. Intersperse a game or two against South American teams like Bolivia, Peru, Venezuela, etc. to make sure the guys are challenged to up their game. This will pad our FIFA ranking, provide good experience for the up-and-comers, and develop them into a group that knows how to move the ball and trusts eachother ahead of the next WCQ campaign. Who will pay for all these friendlies against Carribean minnows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Did he say that? I'm sure he said something else on the Footy Show. The guy who said that he would cheer Portugal over Canada is the jackass hosting soccercentral and foxsoccernews. Not Seixeiro. No you can go back to a previous episode of 'take your kick' where Sid was a guest and he did say that, they both said it. I don't know which episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 I agree that we need more friendlies but no more European teams? What purpose would that serve exactly? We didn't miss out on the hex because we played Cyprus, Poland, Ukraine, Macedonia, Belarus and Armenia... and many of our players are based in Europe so it makes sense for us financially. Okay perhaps "no European friendlies" is over the top, but playing in Europe because it makes financial sense is the wrong approach. If we don't have the money, find it. No excuses. Raise registration nation wide or continue to find more sponsorship. We are a CONCACAF team. We need to play other CONCACAF teams on a regular basis (and if not, South American teams due to similarity). Let us examine who, where, and how frequently our rivals play: Honduras: 2012 Ecuador (away) Costa Rica (away) New Zealand (neutral) El Salvador (neutral) Boca Juniors (neutral) 2011 Serbia (home) South Korea (away) China (away) El Salvador (neutral) Venezuela (neutral) Columbia (neutral) Paraguay (home) USA (away) Jamaica (home) Ecuador (home) El Salvador: 2012 Estonia (neutral) New Zealand (neutral) Moldova (neutral) Honduras (neutral) AS Roma (neutral) Guatemala (neutral) Jamaica (neutral) Guatemala: 2012 Paraguay (away) Guyana (away) Paraguay (home) Costa Rica (away) Costa Rica (home) El Salvador (neutral) Paraguay (neutral) Costa Rica: 2012 Wales (away) Jamaica (away) Honduras (home) Guatemala (home) Guatemala (unknown) Peru (home) 2011 (nov to dec) Panama (away) Spain (home) Cuba (away) Venezuela (away) Canada: 2012 Trinidad and Tobago (neutral) United States (home) Armenia (neutral) 2011 Ukraine (away) Belarus (neutral)[i/] Ecuador (home) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Whenever it was he was asked by James Sharman and he said he would support Portugal over Canada. We're not making this up, people don't forget things like that especially people here. Okay perhaps "no European friendlies" is over the top, but playing in Europe because it makes financial sense is the wrong approach. If we don't have the money, find it. No excuses. Raise registration nation wide or continue to find more sponsorship. We are a CONCACAF team. We need to play other CONCACAF teams on a regular basis (and if not, South American teams due to similarity). Let us examine who, where, and how frequently our rivals play: Honduras: 2012 Ecuador (away) Costa Rica (away) New Zealand (neutral) El Salvador (neutral) Boca Juniors (neutral) 2011 Serbia (home) South Korea (away) China (away) El Salvador (neutral) Venezuela (neutral) Columbia (neutral) Paraguay (home) USA (away) Jamaica (home) Ecuador (home) El Salvador: 2012 Estonia (neutral) New Zealand (neutral) Moldova (neutral) Honduras (neutral) AS Roma (neutral) Guatemala (neutral) Jamaica (neutral) Guatemala: 2012 Paraguay (away) Guyana (away) Paraguay (home) Costa Rica (away) Costa Rica (home) El Salvador (neutral) Paraguay (neutral) Costa Rica: 2012 Wales (away) Jamaica (away) Honduras (home) Guatemala (home) Guatemala (unknown) Peru (home) 2011 (nov to dec) Panama (away) Spain (home) Cuba (away) Venezuela (away) Canada: 2012 Trinidad and Tobago (neutral) United States (home) Armenia (neutral) 2011 Ukraine (away) Belarus (neutral)[i/] Ecuador (home) You have to realize though that many of those matches were domestic squads with maybe 2 or 3 players that actually played in qualifiers. I wouldn't mind if we had more domestic matches but you have to realize that many of our first choice European players won't be there and if money is tight is it worth it to play with anything less than an A team? That's a question for the next coach I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 ^As you can see, pathetic to compare the amount of friendlies with some of our rivals (and is use to be worse) We need to play on every FIFA date no excuse. Also, notice how other CONCACAF teams DO NOT play UEFA teams very often! And why would they? Do UEFA teams stand in the way between them and the World Cup? No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 Whenever it was he was asked by James Sharman and he said he would support Portugal over Canada. We're not making this up, people don't forget things like that especially people here. You have to realize though that many of those matches were domestic squads with maybe 2 or 3 players that actually played in qualifiers. I wouldn't mind if we had more domestic matches but you have to realize that many of our first choice European players won't be there and if money is tight is it worth it to play with anything less than an A team? That's a question for the next coach I suppose. I realize they were mostly domestic squads. So what? I would rather play 6 friendlies a year (against relevant competition) with a domestic squad than 3 friendlies a year against UEFA teams with our European based players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 I agree that we need more friendlies but no more European teams? What purpose would that serve exactly? We didn't miss out on the hex because we played Cyprus, Poland, Ukraine, Macedonia, Belarus and Armenia... and many of our players are based in Europe so it makes sense for us financially. Okay perhaps "no European friendlies" is over the top, but playing in Europe because it makes financial sense is the wrong approach. We are a CONCACAF team. We need to play other CONCACAF teams on a regular basis (and if not, South American teams due to similarity). Let us examine who, where, and how frequently our rivals play: Honduras: 2012 Ecuador (away) Costa Rica (away) New Zealand (neutral) El Salvador (neutral) Boca Juniors (neutral) 2011 Serbia (home) South Korea (away) China (away) El Salvador (neutral) Venezuela (neutral) Columbia (neutral) Paraguay (home) USA (away) Jamaica (home) Ecuador (home) El Salvador: 2012 Estonia (neutral) New Zealand (neutral) Moldova (neutral) Honduras (neutral) AS Roma (neutral) Guatemala (neutral) Jamaica (neutral) Guatemala: 2012 Paraguay (away) Guyana (away) Paraguay (home) Costa Rica (away) Costa Rica (home) El Salvador (neutral) Paraguay (neutral) Costa Rica: 2012 Wales (away) Jamaica (away) Honduras (home) Guatemala (home) Guatemala (unknown) Peru (home) 2011 (nov to dec) Panama (away) Spain (home) Cuba (away) Venezuela (away) Canada: 2012 Trinidad and Tobago (neutral) United States (home) Armenia (neutral) 2011 Ukraine (away) Belarus (neutral)[i/] Ecuador (home) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada1 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 This confirms how out of touch Canada soccer is. Obinna there are far to many ego's in Canada Soccer running the sport from the CSA down to the youth coaches. They strut their stuff but won't listed to common sense. Most of them are very poor at organizing and this example just shows how bad it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I realize they were mostly domestic squads. So what? I would rather play 6 friendlies a year (against relevant competition) with a domestic squad than 3 friendlies a year against UEFA teams with our European based players. But you play friendlies to prepare for tournaments/qualifiers... If we don't play the European friendlies our top players who are going to play in the matches that matter won't get preparation... so what good are the friendlies? If we're playing Panama away with a team of USL/MLS guys how is that going to help us in qualifiers once the A team is there? Look at the Jamaica 2010 match as an example of what players we would have for a domestic friendly and then compare it to the team that played Honduras away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 But you play friendlies to prepare for tournaments/qualifiers... If we don't play the European friendlies our top players who are going to play in the matches that matter won't get preparation... so what good are the friendlies? If we're playing Panama away with a team of USL/MLS guys how is that going to help us in qualifiers once the A team is there? Look at the Jamaica 2010 match as an example of what players we would have for a domestic friendly and then compare it to the team that played Honduras away. G- Monsalve, David | FIN / FC Inter Turku | Brampton, ON, CAN G- Onstad, Pat | USA / Houston Dynamo | Vancouver, BC, CAN F- Ademolu, Stephen | LTU / FK Ekranas | Windsor, ON, CAN D- Attakora, Nana | CAN / Toronto FC | North York, ON, CAN D- Cann, Adrian | DEN / Esbjerg fB | Thornhill, ON, CAN M- de Guzman, Julian | CAN / Toronto FC | Scarborough, ON, CAN M- De Rosario, Dwayne | CAN / Toronto FC | Scarborough, ON, CAN F- Edwini-Bonsu, Randy | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC | Edmonton, AB, CAN F- Gerba, Ali | CAN / Toronto FC | Montréal, QC, CAN D- Hainault, André | USA / Houston Dynamo | Hudson, QC, CAN D- Hemming, Tyler | CAN / Impact de Montréal | London, ON, CAN D/M- Jakovic, Dejan | USA / DC United | Etobicoke, ON, CAN D/M- Jazic, Ante | USA / Chivas USA | Bedford, NS, CAN F- Johnson, Will | USA / Real Salt Lake | Toronto, ON, CAN M- Ribeiro, Antonio | USA / San Jose Earthquakes | Montréal, QC, CAN M- Rivas, Carlo | Unattached / sans club | Toronto, ON, CAN D- Sidra, Eddy | GER / FC Energie Cottbus | Edmonton, AB, CAN M- Wassey, Massih | Unattached / sans club | Calgary, AB, CAN http://www.canadasoccer.com/hart-era-set-to-begin-in-jamaica-p146109&t=article_canadasoccer100 Players in bold were part of the squad this round of WCQ. As you can see, more than just "2 or 3" players were involved. Without looking it up, I would wager that Honduras, Costa Rica, and Guatemala (especially) have at least 6 domestic players who were called in for WCQ. That is not insignificant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 G- Monsalve, David | FIN / FC Inter Turku | Brampton, ON, CAN G- Onstad, Pat | USA / Houston Dynamo | Vancouver, BC, CAN F- Ademolu, Stephen | LTU / FK Ekranas | Windsor, ON, CAN D- Attakora, Nana | CAN / Toronto FC | North York, ON, CAN D- Cann, Adrian | DEN / Esbjerg fB | Thornhill, ON, CAN M- de Guzman, Julian | CAN / Toronto FC | Scarborough, ON, CAN M- De Rosario, Dwayne | CAN / Toronto FC | Scarborough, ON, CAN F- Edwini-Bonsu, Randy | CAN / Vancouver Whitecaps FC | Edmonton, AB, CAN F- Gerba, Ali | CAN / Toronto FC | Montréal, QC, CAN D- Hainault, André | USA / Houston Dynamo | Hudson, QC, CAN D- Hemming, Tyler | CAN / Impact de Montréal | London, ON, CAN D/M- Jakovic, Dejan | USA / DC United | Etobicoke, ON, CAN D/M- Jazic, Ante | USA / Chivas USA | Bedford, NS, CAN F- Johnson, Will | USA / Real Salt Lake | Toronto, ON, CAN M- Ribeiro, Antonio | USA / San Jose Earthquakes | Montréal, QC, CAN M- Rivas, Carlo | Unattached / sans club | Toronto, ON, CAN D- Sidra, Eddy | GER / FC Energie Cottbus | Edmonton, AB, CAN M- Wassey, Massih | Unattached / sans club | Calgary, AB, CAN http://www.canadasoccer.com/hart-era-set-to-begin-in-jamaica-p146109&t=article_canadasoccer100 Players in bold were part of the squad this round of WCQ. As you can see, more than just "2 or 3" players were involved. Without looking it up, I would wager that Honduras, Costa Rica, and Guatemala (especially) have at least 6 domestic players who were called in for WCQ. That is not insignificant. For us it's one or the other... unless the CSA has more money for the Men's team how can we do it? It would be nice but we certainly can't do it at the expense of European friendlies with our A team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMo Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The CSA needs to give this team a game on EVERY FIFA date from here on in. They are not in a position right now to use money as an excuse (after what they have allowed to happen). Raise registration across the country by 10 bucks if you have to. That give an extra 6-10 million. If parents complain too bad you can't please everyone. I don't want to hear an excuse about availability of teams or players. Bring in youth players and play teams like Puerto Rico if teams are hard to come by. No more European friendlies. Teams from South America, Central America, and the Carribean only. I will accept African teams if we are really stuck. I don't get the African comment. I follow African football closely( my parents are from Djibouti) and I can assure you many African sides would get results against the best of CONCACAF. Ghana eliminated the Americans in consecutive World Cups and is filled with players in top European sides. Ditto Cote D'Ivoire. The top North African sides( Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria) all play technical football that would fare well for preparations. The problem would probably be in actually getting the matches scheduled with full strength sides. I agree that the lion share of friendlies should be against Central/South American sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I don't get the African comment. I follow African football closely( my parents are from Djibouti) and I can assure you many African sides would get results against the best of CONCACAF. Ghana eliminated the Americans in consecutive World Cups and is filled with players in top European sides. Ditto Cote D'Ivoire. The top North African sides( Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria) all play technical football that would fare well for preparations. The problem would probably be in actually getting the matches scheduled with full strength sides. I agree that the lion share of friendlies should be against Central/South American sides. He is speaking in terms of playing style not in terms of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Who will pay for all these friendlies against Carribean minnows? The CSA, using the sponsorship money we have coming in from Bell, BMO, Unilever, et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 The bottom line is that the CSA has no money, apparently has no clue how to get it, and seems to be planning to spend what little it has on the women. And it will take a fair bit of money to improve our results. We are Leyton Orient supporters (no disrespect meant to Leyton Orient, just a random perennial lower division dweller), so just enjoy the games when we get them and get used to being knocked out of WCQ at this stage. Because it isn't going to change anytime soon no matter how many times we fire the coach. And if the CSA does pump a disproportionate amount of money into the Women's program then I for one will be boycotting any WWC games that come to Winnipeg. Can't we borrow money like the rest of the 1st world? **** if we invest, we will sell more tickets, build revenue, attract better players and the CSA will make money, if we invested more this go around and did enough to get us over the finish line and into the HEX the windfall from that would have been lots of money. **** borrow money from Canada at no interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 For us it's one or the other... unless the CSA has more money for the Men's team how can we do it? It would be nice but we certainly can't do it at the expense of European friendlies with our A team. Well, I don't know if I agree that money much of an issue the more I think about this. Look at the A team that was called up for Panama: 1- GK- Lars Hirschfeld | NOR / Vålerenga Fotball 2- M- Nik Ledgerwood | SWE / Hammarby Fotboll 3- FB- Ante Jazić | USA / Chivas USA 4- CB- Kevin McKenna | GER / FC Köln 5- CB- André Hainault | USA / Houston Dynamo 6- M - Julian de Guzman | USA / FC Dallas 7- M - Terry Dunfield | CAN / Toronto FC 8- M- Will Johnson | USA / Real Salt Lake 9- F- Tosaint Ricketts | ROM / Politehnica Timişoara 10- F- Simeon Jackson | ENG / Norwich City FC 11- FB- Marcel de Jong | GER / FC Augsburg 12- CB- Dejan Jaković | USA / D.C. United 13- M- Atiba Hutchinson | NED / PSV Eindhoven 14- M/F- Dwayne De Rosario | USA / D.C. United 15- CB- David Edgar | ENG / Burnley FC 16- M- Pedro Pacheco | POR / CD Santa Clara 17- F- Olivier Occean | GER / Eintracht Frankfurt 18- GK- Milan Borjan | TUR / Sivasspor 19- FB- Ashtone Morgan | CAN / Toronto FC 20- M - Patrice Bernier | CAN / Impact Montréal 22- GK- Kenny Stamatopoulos | SWE / AIK Fotbol So regardless of what hemisphere we play in we are still flying a large number of players across the Atlantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gator Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 [And if the CSA does pump a disproportionate amount of money into the Women's program then I for one will be boycotting any WWC games that come to Winnipeg. This is what I fear will happen, now that we're eliminated and don't have a meaningful game for a while, the CSA will completely neglect the Mens team and put most money into the womens program! What if we lose a bundle of money hosting the Womens World Cup? We could end up worse than Leyton Orient! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 No you can go back to a previous episode of 'take your kick' where Sid was a guest and he did say that, they both said it. I don't know which episode. I really think Blackdude is correct. I remember distinctly that Brendan Dunlop said he would hope that Portugal smashed Canada 5-0 if they ever played. Everyone jumped all over him for that remark, even Sid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I really think Blackdude is correct. I remember distinctly that Brendan Dunlop said he would hope that Portugal smashed Canada 5-0 if they ever played. Everyone jumped all over him for that remark, even Sid. They both said they would support Portugal. I don't forget when people say something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarnado1555362291 Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 at least Sixeiro was there supporting the team in the flesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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