Lurker Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Is it possible? I'm trying to find answers to what just happened... 8-1 doesn't make any sense. Hainault? Did he just make some money on the side or some of the other players? Is it possible? Could we ever know, should FIFA investigate or will they just say, hey it's Canada, they suck, not unexpected. I'm curious to know if anyone just made a mint on a fringe total goal or Honduran exact goal bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 Please edit the title to include [R], for those unfortunate enough to be unaware of the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Did someone slip some ludes into our water? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic78 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 it was such an awful performance, it's not out of the question. everything has to be on the table to explain this result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addona Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The only other thing that could possibly explain this sort of fiasco is if half that team had the flu ... it's not an excuse, I am just trying to search for things that could explain that scoreline. It doesn't make any logical sense. Yes, the team quit after the 3rd or 4th goal, but there is NO ****ING WAY we are this bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finchster Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I think if I bet $100 on this game having 9 goals, I could buy a condo in downtown Vancouver tomorrow. I highly doubt this game was fixed, the players just gave up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 people who fix games between teams of this caliber make sure they aren't by a score of 8-1. Thats like fixing games 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 people who fix games between teams of this caliber make sure they aren't by a score of 8-1. Thats like fixing games 101. Did you take that class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Please edit the title to include [R], for those unfortunate enough to be unaware of the result. I did it, but if it spares anyone from watching it, I would consider that a service in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzAndSting Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Sorry but this is one of the stupidest threads I've ever seen on this site. It's sports, these things happen all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazlo_80 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Did you take that class? Took it, and failed. Now just try to fix house league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The only other thing that could possibly explain this sort of fiasco is if half that team had the flu ... it's not an excuse, I am just trying to search for things that could explain that scoreline. It doesn't make any logical sense. Yes, the team quit after the 3rd or 4th goal, but there is NO ****ING WAY we are this bad. Scores don't lie, we are this bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The only game that was fixed in this group was played last week in Panama, when it was blantantly obvious that Honduras and Panama had made an agreement to settle for a tie. Not once during the entire 90 minutes did either side seriously try to score a goal. For Panama it was obviously some payback to Canada for the sucker-shot goal we scored against them in Toronto. For Honduras it was obviously an easier task to beat Canada at home. That's what happens to cheap-shot artists in World Cup soccer. Just because Califax got my post silenced so quickly, I'll post it again for those who didn't get a chance to see it. (The following opinion was emailed to 103 Canadian newspapers and every provincial soccer association on October 15, 2012, a full 24-hours before our 8-1 humiliation. I thought it would be more effective to address the national media while its attention was still focused on Canadian soccer, rather than to wait till after I talked to Stephen Hart.) As Canadian soccer enthusiasts have to resign themselves once again to watching yet another FIFA World Cup Final tournament that will not feature their national team, is it not high time we honestly examine why Canada has just failed to qualify for the world’s greatest sporting spectacle for a twelfth time? Only Guatemala, the Netherlands Antilles and Suriname have amassed greater records of CONCACAF futility. For those of us who are old enough to remember our one and only appearance at a World Cup Final, 1986 seems like a lifetime ago. Even the images of our last participation in the CONCACAF Hex back in 1997 are already starting to fade from our collective memories. Since then, we have also had to endure a twelve-year drought where our national team failed to win a single CONCACAF semi-final qualifying match on home soil. With a track-record as poor as ours, when do we finally reach the point where we say; “Enough is enough! These repeated failures are no longer acceptable! Something has to change!” Every country that partakes in FIFA’s quadrennial competition, has at one time or another encountered a difficult draw, been subjected to some refereeing injustices, or just had to suffer some down-right bad luck Naturally, Canada has had its fair share of these misfortunes to contend with, however, they are not the real causes of our ongoing disappointments, but only the excuses that are used to cover up our true shortcomings. Time and again, the fingers of blame are also pointed at the individuals hired by the CSA to coach our national team. This seems equally lame, as all who have held that position over the past 15 years were only able to progress to the same qualifying stage of the World Cup competition. Therefore, based on the consistency of these performances, it is doubtful that any of the world’s most respected coaches could have achieved better results if had they been presented with the same players, conditions and circumstances. By process of elimination that leaves only the quality of our national team players to look at. Most of these players left Canada at a young age to pursue professional careers with lower-echelon clubs in foreign leagues. Although a few manage to earn a respectable living, thus far none of them have developed into the type of player that winds up playing for a preeminent club, and with the exception of the 1986 campaign they have repeatedly proven to be uncompetitive when representing Canada in World Cup qualifying matches. Interestingly enough, the overwhelming majority of Canada’s aspiring soccer players compete in a plethora of regional leagues that are spread across this vast country. These leagues represent the breadbasket of our domestic talent pool. The most successful teams participating in these district leagues end up contesting each other for provincial cup honours, with the winners advancing to vie for the Challenge Cup, emblematic of the Canadian amateur soccer championship. The following 12 clubs qualified for the 2011 Challenge Cup competition: ICST Pegasus – Vancouver Metro Soccer League Edmonton Green & Gold – Alberta Major Soccer League Huskie United Soccer Academy Alumni – Saskatchewan Premier Soccer League Winnipeg Juventus – Manitoba Major Soccer League Toronto Celtic FC – Toronto Services Soccer League Griffons du CS Mont-Royal Outremont – la Ligue de Soccer Elite du Quebec Fredericton Picaroons Reds – New Brunswick Premier Soccer League Soccer Edge – Prince Edward Island Premier League Suburban FC – Nova Scotia Soccer League Holy Cross Kirby Group – Newfoundland Challenge Cup League Yukon Selects SC – Yukon Soccer Association Yellowknife FC – Northwest Territories Soccer Association Of all the players that competed in the 2011 Canadian Challenge Cup championship, how many were selected to play for the national team that was recently eliminated from World Cup contention? Conversely, how many players on the current national roster have ever won a Canadian Challenge Cup championship? After doing the math, several questions immediately come to mind. Why does the Canadian soccer structure that is currently in place fail to produce the caliber of players that are worthy of being selected to represent Canada at the international level? Are we physically inferior to other nationalities? Are there economic insecurities that dissuade the CSA from establishing a domestic structure that will produce players of an international caliber? Or does the CSA lack the creative vision necessary to design an economically viable structure that is specifically tailored to further develop the best players from our domestic talent pool in a competitive setting? Up to the present, the CSA has shown it is either unable or unwilling to address the dire state in which Canadian soccer has been stuck in for so many years. Even if we concede that soccer will probably no time soon rival the popularity that hockey enjoys in this country, the CSA should at least be able to attract a similar level of interest and support that the sport of curling has managed to earn in Canada. However, the recently concluded 100th anniversary tournament of the Canadian Challenge Cup in Winnipeg received none of the 66 hours of nationally televised coverage that TSN devoted to the 2012 Tim Horton’s Brier earlier this year in Saskatoon. As a result, the attendance and gate receipt figures of the CSA’s cup competition were no where near those that the Brier competition brought in and it is therefore hardly surprising that the financial rewards for curlers by far outweighed the paltry honorariums that the soccer players received. This once again raises a series of questions. Why does the CSA continue to insist on organizing an amateur Canadian cup championship? In today’s world this is certainly not necessary from an Olympic eligibility point of view. Why are these players not allowed to receive any financial incentives? Why does the CSA continue to discriminate between amateur and professional clubs by organizing two separate Canadian cup championships? The direction of Canadian soccer is not going to turn any corners with Victor Montagliani at the helm of the CSA. We will not “see thee rise” with World Cup preparations that consist of a hastily arranged match against Trinidad & Tobago that was not televised and did not generate any gate receipts, while at the same time scarce financial resources were wasted by the CSA on a full-page Globe & Mail advertisement for the Women’s World Cup three-years in advance of that event. We will not “see thee rise” with governance that advocates amateur policies, while the rest of the world has adopted a professional approach. If Mr. Montagliani really had a vision to change the plight of Canadian soccer, he would have surely started to reveal and implement those plans during his first six months in office. If this is not the case, then what is he waiting for? The fact that there is absolutely no evidence to support that the CSA has acknowledged the need to either replace or rebuild the ineffective structure that is currently in place, clearly corroborates the fact that Mr. Montagliani does not have a clue on how to solve our predicament. Canadian soccer needs visionary leadership that is capable of creating and implementing a competitive environment for the elite players from our national talent pool, where they can obtain a maximum amount of playing time at the highest level of competition that is currently available in this country, and which provides them with a domestic pathway that leads directly to the national team. In addition, sufficient financial incentives have to be offered in order to make it worthwhile for aspiring players to make the personal sacrifices that are necessary once they commit to pursuing a career in soccer. Such a structure would simultaneously create a number of high-level coaching positions and increase overall public interest, which would subsequently make soccer a far more attractive proposition for investors and advertisers to consider. This kind of vision can only be provided by an individual who has a thorough understanding of the unique challenges that confront the Canadian soccer landscape and who has developed a keen appreciation for the mechanisms that have and have not worked previously in Canada. Although my passion for soccer was ignited almost half a century ago in the Netherlands, I have been blessed to have lived the past 43 years in Canada. My curiosity to learn how the game evolved in this country has resulted in dedicating a large portion of the last 15 years to a fact-finding mission that has allowed me to acquire an intimate knowledge of our past and to develop the necessary expertise to lead us to a brighter future. If given the privilege to serve in this capacity, on my first day in office I will present and begin to implement a five-year plan that will take our national team to the next level, a berth in the 2017 CONCACAF Hex, which is where Canada will earn the right to take part in the 2018 World Cup Final, in Russia. In order to realize this objective and to play a key role in helping achieve that success, the CSA’s Board of Directors will need to take action today, rather than wait until three years from now when it will be too late to implement a new structure and give it the necessary time to develop the players that will qualify Canada for the 2018 World Cup Final. Robert Janning is the author of a recently published book entitled: “Westcoast Reign – the British Columbia Soccer Championships, 1892-1905.” BallBoy Press (2012) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Context: Robert is also the owner of Ballboy Press, and the only author to have had a book published thereby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Robert, is your goal to get every legitimate thread on this board closed? We get your original point. You wanted us to lose 18-0 to Honduras instead of 8-1. And to address your newest point, 0-0 between Panama and Honduras didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now. We had to get a draw, we didn't; END OF STORY. I don't see a single shred of proof that the game was fixed and I don't see any evidence that our game was fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califax Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Sorry but this is one of the stupidest threads I've ever seen on this site. It's sports, these things happen all the time. Sure, but if Gracie's Ottawa gets a huge makeover with tons of fancy new stuff, I wanna see the book keeping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Sure, but if Gracie's Ottawa gets a huge makeover with tons of fancy new stuff, I wanna see the book keeping I'm an accountant, Cal. I'll vouch for Gracie's "business practices". :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afun Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Just shut up Robert. Canada got your 10 points that you said they needed to get. You have ZERO credibility to bash anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killgod Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Sure, but if Gracie's Ottawa gets a huge makeover with tons of fancy new stuff, I wanna see the book keeping Screw Cal, I'll do the audit. Just slip me some of that honduran bribe money and we don't need to see any books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Robert, is your goal to get every legitimate thread on this board closed? We get your original point. You wanted us to lose 18-0 to Honduras instead of 8-1. And to address your newest point, 0-0 between Panama and Honduras didn't matter then and it doesn't matter now. We had to get a draw, we didn't; END OF STORY. I don't see a single shred of proof that the game was fixed and I don't see any evidence that our game was fixed. Meaning what? Every thread beside Robert's is legitimate? If you don't get my threads shut down I wouldn't have to go on any other threads now would I. But no, that's way too scary a proposition for some on this board. There might actually be some out there who would want to engage in those threads. You really think I enjoy watching Canada get the crap kicked out of it? Why don't you come and tell me that to my face and find out how much I like it? END OF STORY, all that matters is what you say, Robert be quiet! I didn't see a single shred of proof. So that's it. Case closed! Just just like your effing mind! Go ahead mods, shut er down cause Robert spoke his peace and we can't have that now can we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Not at all; you are absolutely entitled to make your point and I'm all for free speech, even points of view the vast majority of us disagree with. BUT, open a thread and make your point once or do the necessary follow-up. Don't copy and paste the same thing in at least 3 different places. And you do understand that we are a rather surly bunch today, me included! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Did someone slip some ludes into our water? Who knows.So if the ludes were put in it was in Toronto .... but I do have to wonder if Stephen made sure the team drank enough water after Friday to be fully hydrated for Tuesday, yes it sounds like a thing you tell your u15 girls team in the summer, but it is just as important for professionals to be told drink your water lads. There was at least one photo here of Honduran players "hydrating" with the story being how important it was and how the coaches were preaching it. Of course perhaps our media hacks who came down to cover the game... never really covered our preparations...except to look at the stadium. Which had a lovely pitch and cold beer at a buck fifty ...$1.50. So the Hondurans had the important things covered. Water, quality picth, cold beer... lots of security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshieScores Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Which had a lovely pitch and cold beer at a buck fifty ...$1.50. So the Hondurans had the important things covered. Water, quality picth, cold beer... lots of security. Enjoy rest of your days in Honduras my friend. I was in Honduras (Roatan) last year and going back again later this month. Do some snorkling, eat some fish tacos and of course, beer. Truth to be told, I don't always drink Honduran beer but when I do... I drink Port Royal. Mission ConferederationsCup2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvroArrow Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Every thread beside Robert's is legitimate. I fully agree with your second sentence, though I have removed the question mark and added a period so that it appears correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Yea I know they brought the water and food with them but with a performance like that you really got to wonder. My friends and I were asking the same thing during the 7-1 hockey game that Russia did to us. It was that bad. In fact a 7 goal game in hockey is not rare but an 8 goal game in soccer is. Even Barca & RM don't kick ass like that against the weaker teams most times. I mean 8 to F@#$ing 1??? It was half in jest and half depression looking for a way out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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