Paul Mariner

[moura1]

here are a few quotes from Plymouth fans about Paul Mariner.

really wanted him to succeed but he's been found out. Too many opposition managers have outwitted him during games. His tactics and formations and timing of subs have been poor. I would like an experienced manager.

To add to that, the set pieces have been piss poor most of the time for which there is no excuse when you consider they've got all week to work on them and TBH lately we've looked even more disorganized than when Sturrock was in charge.

Great player maybe even great coach but will never be a great manager. Simply out of his depth and that naivity was there for everyone to see. When he says I believed we could get out of it but we came up short - what he should have been saying was we were a million miles off

we should start with fresh players ,management,and board ,we need a total overhaul

Nope i think we need an experianced manager, the final straw for me was the newcastle game, 2-0 down at half time in a game we needed to win for survival and we play with 3 defensive midfielders up until the 76th minute. we should av went all out attack second half, didnt matter if we lost 2-0 or 10-0 we were relegated so at least make an effort ffs

Mariner had the time and a small amount of money was made available to him. He could have and he should have turned it around. Nobody expected him to produce free flowing football and a mid table finish but there is no excuse for performances that were delivered like the performance against Watford, it was simply unacceptable. I can accept relegation but relegation without so much as breaking sweat is not only a slap across the face for the fans, it’s like puking on them afterwards!

I had been a Mariner/Carver fan, but Sundays lack of effort from the players showed, as far as I'm concerned, the current management team are unable to motivate players

[narduch]

Mariner should have been fired with Winter.

If a new managment team was hired back then, they could have used the summer and winter transfer windows to prepare for next season.

Instead, Mariner was given full control. And the team is even further behind.

[Redcoatsforever]

Paul Mariner is a terrible manager who can't handle in-game strategy whatsoever, and has show himself to be two-faced in his comments about players both in interviews and in rumoured private interaction.

[CanadianSoccerFan]

At least Winter had the sense to dress professionally. Mariner dresses like an amateur and acts like one on the touchline

[Cheeta]

^

LOL. No doubt.

The tape mended eye glasses I'm going to suppose are meant to come off as being dis-arming but after a couple of days, never mind months, it just comes off as stupid.

It's not 1963, you can new eye glasses at a reasonable price in under a week. If you want to come off as a nerdy eccentric don't try that a-gin, its not working.

Chuck Norris in his prime couldn't save this man, that's how badly the entire squad has totally given it up. He's a dead man walking and everybody knows it. It'll be manager #7 next season for TFC (or is it #8? Sort of lost track) if anybody has any sense in the franchises front office.

[finchster]

I wonder if MLSE will hire the same consultants they hired to find Aron Winter?

[narduch]

I wonder if MLSE will hire the same consultants they hired to find Aron Winter?

I doubt it, as the guy is too busy coaching the US national team.

Besides, that has turned out to be an epic failure. I doubt they do that again.

[finchster]

I doubt it, as the guy is too busy coaching the US national team.

Besides, that has turned out to be an epic failure. I doubt they do that again.

Seriously though, MLSE goes this route for all their sports operations.

[jpg75]

And that's the rub...Tom Anselmi is now COO of MLSE and the only other "management type" at TFC is Earl Cochrane. Is Cochrane going to hire a new coach? Hope not. So we have to wait for Anselmi to get settled in and then deal with a dozen other things before finding a replacement for himself as TFC President. Then the new President has to come in and hire a coach. I don't see anything getting done until January...and another season sabotaged.

[Keegan]

We should hire Pele as our next consultant. I mean he has no experience playing or managing in MLS, he'll know who to hire!

[narduch]

And that's the rub...Tom Anselmi is now COO of MLSE and the only other "management type" at TFC is Earl Cochrane. Is Cochrane going to hire a new coach? Hope not. So we have to wait for Anselmi to get settled in and then deal with a dozen other things before finding a replacement for himself as TFC President. Then the new President has to come in and hire a coach. I don't see anything getting done until January...and another season sabotaged.

I don't think the club has plans to hire a President for TFC. Anselmi has known for months that he was going to get the COO job, and yet nothing has happened on the TFC front. It appears the plan is to have Earl Cochrane as the head of TFC.

[jpg75]

I don't think the club has plans to hire a President for TFC. Anselmi has known for months that he was going to get the COO job, and yet nothing has happened on the TFC front. It appears the plan is to have Earl Cochrane as the head of TFC.

If that's the case then Paul Mariner will be coaching TFC next season.

[narduch]

If that's the case then Paul Mariner will be coaching TFC next season.

Duane Rollins already had a blog about Mariner+Cochrane returning next season for sure, with a playoff ultimatum.

Tim Drodge (bgnewf on U-Sector) had a blog/tweet about how Cochrane has been attending MLSE meetings as the TFC representive (along with Burke and Colangelo).

Unless things change (I'm hoping this the reason for the season ticket announcement delay), it appears its status quo for TFC.

[jpg75]

Duane Rollins already had a blog about Mariner+Cochrane returning next season for sure, with a playoff ultimatum.

Tim Drodge (bgnewf on U-Sector) had a blog/tweet about how Cochrane has been attending MLSE meetings as the TFC representive (along with Burke and Colangelo).

Unless things change (I'm hoping this the reason for the season ticket announcement delay), it appears its status quo for TFC.

I'll admit that I don't read much from the CSN site...so yeah, i missed all that. Well then i guess the point is moot now, Cochrane and Mariner running the show.

[narduch]

I'll admit that I don't read much from the CSN site...so yeah, i missed all that. Well then i guess the point is moot now, Cochrane and Mariner running the show.

Here's the article in question:

http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/content.php?3750-Mariner-Cocharne-to-return-in-2013

Some fans hope this was simply a trial balloon by the club to gauge fan reaction to the two returning (similar to how Cochrane + Dasovic were rumoured to be leading TFC, just days/weeks before Mariner + Winter were officially announced).

I'm not a big fan of Rollins work, because I think he is too much of an apologist for the front office, but I do think he and Kurt Larson of the Sun are required reading for TFC fans that wanting to get the best scoops and rumours. They both seem to break the most stories, which might explain why the defend the front office so hard.

[Duane Rollins1555362254]

Here's the article in question:

http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/content.php?3750-Mariner-Cocharne-to-return-in-2013

Some fans hope this was simply a trial balloon by the club to gauge fan reaction to the two returning (similar to how Cochrane + Dasovic were rumoured to be leading TFC, just days/weeks before Mariner + Winter were officially announced).

I'm not a big fan of Rollins work, because I think he is too much of an apologist for the front office, but I do think he and Kurt Larson of the Sun are required reading for TFC fans that wanting to get the best scoops and rumours. They both seem to break the most stories, which might explain why the defend the front office so hard.

I don't care if you're a fan or not but please don not imply that I'm trading info for good press.

I write things that challenge what I see as fan Group Think. I also criticize TFC all the time.

[narduch]

I don't care if you're a fan or not but please don not imply that I'm trading info for good press.

I write things that challenge what I see as fan Group Think. I also criticize TFC all the time.

Like I said, I disagree with your stance on the team, but I consider your work required reading for all TFC fans because you do a good job breaking stories. And at the very least you do always stir debate.

But I think you spend way too much time criticizing fellow TFC fans when you could spend more time criticizing the club. I just wonder if you are soft on the front office for a reason.

TFC fans aren't stupid. They can see with their own eyes how bad the team is. They just wonder why the media isn't as harsh.

[Duane Rollins1555362254]

Like I said, I disagree with your stance on the team, but I consider your work required reading for all TFC fans because you do a good job breaking stories. And at the very least you do always stir debate.

But I think you spend way too much time criticizing fellow TFC fans when you could spend more time criticizing the club. I just wonder if you are soft on the front office for a reason.

TFC fans aren't stupid. They can see with their own eyes how bad the team is. They just wonder why the media isn't as harsh.

There is a difference between challenging opinion and criticizing. In Mariner's case I fail to underst5and why he shouldn't be given time to actually build a team. His role under Winter was 90% academy related. This idea that the players signed under Winter were is is simply false.

[Redcoatsforever]

I'd like someone whose won an MLS Cup as coach if Mariner isn't going to be next year. How bout that Thomas Rongen guy?

[alberta white]

^

LOL. No doubt.

The tape mended eye glasses I'm going to suppose are meant to come off as being dis-arming but after a couple of days, never mind months, it just comes off as stupid.

It's not 1963, you can new eye glasses at a reasonable price in under a week. If you want to come off as a nerdy eccentric don't try that a-gin, its not working.

Chuck Norris in his prime couldn't save this man, that's how badly the entire squad has totally given it up. He's a dead man walking and everybody knows it. It'll be manager #7 next season for TFC (or is it #8? Sort of lost track) if anybody has any sense in the franchises front office.

Is he "Jack Duckworth" in disguise?

[ag futbol]

There is a difference between challenging opinion and criticizing. In Mariner's case I fail to underst5and why he shouldn't be given time to actually build a team. His role under Winter was 90% academy related. This idea that the players signed under Winter were is is simply false.

Where's the proof? Maybe I missed this, but I haven't seen anything on record and there is at least anecdotal evidence that he had some say in who was brought in (ex. Richard Eckersley).

From someone looking at what you're writing from the outside, your articles rely quite a bit on sources and the underlying reasoning isn't often explicitly stated in anything more than a light manner. Basically it's "this is what the source inside the club says, take it or leave it." Naturally people are going to be skeptical, because it's at odds with what we see publicly, as narduch stated.