Addona Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Surprised this thread hasn't appeared yet ... maybe because most of the club selects itself. A few spots are still unclear to me, so here goes: Lars Milan Kenny Jazic De Jong McKenna Hainault Jakovic Edgar Morgan Hutch DeRo JDG Johnson Bernier Ledgerwood Pacheco Dunfield Occean Jackson Ricketts Hume Did I miss anyone obvious? From above, I'm not sure about Hume, only because of his club situation (Haber in his place?). And Pacheco and Dunfield are really just there to fill out the roster; maybe we could see Teibert in place of one of them. I've left Kluks and Issey off the roster, but they could easily be called; although they are both with new clubs and haven't really played yet this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Barring injuries I suspect you've got it pretty close. I wouldn't be surprised if Klukowski is selected, if only because I'm not sure de Jong is 100% fit. Hart only put him in for 45 minutes against T&T and didn't start today for Augsburg. I'd sooner see an attacking player (Issey? Teibert?) instead of having Dunfield or Pacheco in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Barring injuries I suspect you've got it pretty close. I wouldn't be surprised if Klukowski is selected, if only because I'm not sure de Jong is 100% fit. Hart only put him in for 45 minutes against T&T and didn't start today for Augsburg. I'd sooner see an attacking player (Issey? Teibert?) instead of having Dunfield or Pacheco in the squad. Just because he didn't start doesn't mean much. I'm sure if he wasn't fully fit he wouldn't have travelled to play for us and remember how long he was out? You can't expect him to be healthy again and just take over for whoever replaced him all those months. Hart's starting XI is going to be a debate and a half. Occean, Jackson, Ricketts, De Rosario, Bernier, Johnson, De Guzman, Hutchinson all have a case for a starting spot. Not sure why you would rather see two guys who haven't been playing over two of our most in form club players. After reading a Santa Clara supporter's report on Pacheco my perspective has changed a lot, if he was playing in the first division I think a lot more people would be high on him (obviously) and he looked very good against T and T. The only other start I can recall from Pacheco was our 1-0 win over Belarus (where we couldn't watch again!) but apparently he was very influential in that game as well, I think he's a good squad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I think it's a question of balance. I don't think there's room in a team for 7 strictly central midfielders (Dunfield, JDG, Johnson, Bernier, Pacheco, Ledgerwood, Hutchinson). Hart sometimes will play a guy like Johnson or Ledgerwood wide but that really diminishes his effectiveness. If there isn't a reasonable chance that a guy will get on the pitch (and I think that would be the case for somebody like Dunfield if the rest of those 7 were also called) then there is no point in him being selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Starting XI huh? A bit early...and I know this will NOT be the formation...but I can picture, given our players, a good formation coming out of 4-1-2-1-2 -----Occean-----------Jackson-------------- --------------DeRosario--------------------- -----Johnson-----------Bernier------------- --------------De Guzman------------------- De Jong---McKenna---Hainault---Edgar- ----------------Borjan----------------------- How would that one look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 ^ Where's Hutchinson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 ---------------Hirschfeld----------------- Edgar - Hainault - McKenna - de Jong --------- Bernier - Johnson-------------- Jackson-----Hutchinson----De Rosario ---------------Occean------------------- Hutch obviously dropped a bit more into the midfield to create the triangle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Hart is probably ****ting his pants figuring out how to fit Ledgerwood in. My guess is he'll start him at right back. After watching Bernier today and assuming McKenna starts on the bench: ------------------Occean-------------------- De Rosario------Hutchsinon---------Johnson ------------Bernier----De Guzman---------- De Jong----Edgar----Jakovic-----Hainault -----------------Hirschfeld------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I am sure madmonte just overlooked him by mistake. I think we can all agree he is in the starting 11. Here are my thoughts: Lars Bojan Jazic Mckenna Edgar Hainualt Jakovic De Jong Morgan Hutchinson deGuzman Johnson Bernier Dunfield Pacheco Tiebert Ricketts Occean Jackson DeRosario This is such a hard thing to predict..okay here I go: Defense: I have 3 left backs in there ONLY because Hart loves to do this. I would only call up two and leave out Morgan, but the kid is flexible and has came into the game as a left sided attacker before. He has also played RB recently at TFC but I doubt that would come into consideration. The rest of the defense needs no explanation, aside from the exclusion of Klukowski, who has sat on the bench for the last 3 games for us. Makes little sense to fly him over from Europe not to play. De Jong showed well last game and Klukowski is likely trying to find his feet with APOEL, so he is the odd man out. Midfield: There are alot of central midfielders there, but Bernier and Johnson are flexible and are in-season. Dunfield and deGuzman are also in-season, and Hutchinson is a lock. I think it will be a Pacheco vs Ledgerwood and Tiebert vs Nakajima. I will probably be wrong in not selecting Ledgerwood since Hart always finds a way to get him in. But Pacheco showed VERY well last game according to Hart, and I think he may be more influential for the squad. Ledgerwood is a workhorse that can also play RB (where we are thin), but the fact that he played Hainualt at RB in the first half could be telling. In the event that Edgar goes down (god forbid), maybe Jakovic comes into the CB and Hainualt pushes out. As for Tiebert vs Nakajima, Tiebert impressed while Nakajima is in the same boat as Klukowski (on the bench for us/ getting accostumed to Cyprus). Tiebert hasn't seen many MLS minutes but he was also very sharp in training last camp so advantage to him. Strikers: No surprises aside from leaving out Hume. I feel he could still be included but I am assuming Hart only takes 4 strikers. If he takes 5 that man is next in line. Man I hope he gets a club soon (and in the Championship, he should have never went to league 1, and I hope he does not get stuck there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUJO Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 How is Josh simpson doing is he recovered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 How is Josh simpson doing is he recovered? Definitely not ready for these matches, and unlikely for the two in october last I heard. With Cavallini breaking into the first team in Uruguay he should at least be in the conversation for depth strikers. And before anyone jumps on me: I know he's only played one game, but let's say a month from now he's playing a regular 90 in Uruguay while guys like Hume and Ricketts are riding pine or unemployed. Who would you call first? The proven talents who aren't playing or the younger unproven guy who is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 ^ Where's Hutchinson? DOH! De Guzman lost his starting job. (Edit: was thinking of putting him at RB, and then forgot to slot him into the lineup, unintentional, he's a definite starter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKottonmouthed1555362307 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Hart is probably ****ting his pants figuring out how to fit Ledgerwood in. My guess is he'll start him at right back. After watching Bernier today and assuming McKenna starts on the bench: ------------------Occean-------------------- De Rosario------Hutchsinon---------Johnson ------------Bernier----De Guzman---------- De Jong----Edgar----Jakovic-----Hainault -----------------Hirschfeld------------------ That's the XI and formation I'd go with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hart is probably ****ting his pants figuring out how to fit Ledgerwood in. My guess is he'll start him at right back. After watching Bernier today and assuming McKenna starts on the bench: ------------------Occean-------------------- De Rosario------Hutchsinon---------Johnson ------------Bernier----De Guzman---------- De Jong----Edgar----Jakovic-----Hainault -----------------Hirschfeld------------------ No doubt about Ledgerwood, Hart always tries to get him in. With Pacheco, Dunfield, and Bernier all playing well, this may be the time he is the odd man out. However, if Mckenna is not fit that is one less CB, and since our only RB's are natural CB's, that could favor Ledgerwood, considering he can slide over there. But in that case, 1 of Pacheco, Bernier, and Dunfield have to go. Maybe Pacheco as he is not in season? Ahh man alot to consider, I can only imagine how Hart feels. As for your starting 11 choice, I like it but Edgar and Hainault will be swapped I believe. I also think Ricketts gets the start where Johnson is (or perhaps Simeon?). Still not sold that De Jong will take the starting LB spot. Clearly he has more quality but Jazic is in season and his experience will be needed in Mckenna's absense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 No doubt about Ledgerwood, Hart always tries to get him in. With Pacheco, Dunfield, and Bernier all playing well, this may be the time he is the odd man out. However, if Mckenna is not fit that is one less CB, and since our only RB's are natural CB's, that could favor Ledgerwood, considering he can slide over there. But in that case, 1 of Pacheco, Bernier, and Dunfield have to go. Maybe Pacheco as he is not in season? Ahh man alot to consider, I can only imagine how Hart feels. As for your starting 11 choice, I like it but Edgar and Hainault will be swapped I believe. I also think Ricketts gets the start where Johnson is (or perhaps Simeon?). Still not sold that De Jong will take the starting LB spot. Clearly he has more quality but Jazic is in season and his experience will be needed in Mckenna's absense. http://www.soccerway.com/players/pedro-miguel-salgadinho-pacheco-de-melo/56692/ Pacheco is in season ^ he's played 7 matches this season including the T&T match. I'd be surprised if he isn't in the team, I expect Dunfield to be the odd man out. We know what we're getting with Dunfield, he's not at the level required for these two matches. Pacheco is different from other players in our pool, I think we need that card. Check out this from a Santa Clara fan on BS: "Pacheco is a great player the best player on Santa Clara as well as Alex a Portuguese U21. Pacheco is the team captain and has improved very much so if we dont get promoted which we are favorites this year because of players like Pacheco, Accioly, Alex and Oliveira as well as Hugo Godinho and Luis Platini then Pacheco will most likely go to a bigger team but he is from the city so i hope he stays but what a player he has become" Seems he could play in the Portugese first divison (as he has before) but is loyal to his hometown. Also, gotta give him props for flying to Florida from Portugal to play a half and making an impact in the time he had. Seems like a great character guy and I think he'll be a good personality to have around the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 http://www.soccerway.com/players/pedro-miguel-salgadinho-pacheco-de-melo/56692/ Pacheco is in season ^ he's played 7 matches this season including the T&T match. I'd be surprised if he isn't in the team, I expect Dunfield to be the odd man out. We know what we're getting with Dunfield, he's not at the level required for these two matches. Pacheco is different from other players in our pool, I think we need that card. Check out this from a Santa Clara fan on BS: "Pacheco is a great player the best player on Santa Clara as well as Alex a Portuguese U21. Pacheco is the team captain and has improved very much so if we dont get promoted which we are favorites this year because of players like Pacheco, Accioly, Alex and Oliveira as well as Hugo Godinho and Luis Platini then Pacheco will most likely go to a bigger team but he is from the city so i hope he stays but what a player he has become" Seems he could play in the Portugese first divison (as he has before) but is loyal to his hometown. Also, gotta give him props for flying to Florida from Portugal to play a half and making an impact in the time he had. Seems like a great character guy and I think he'll be a good personality to have around the team. Nice find, I am happy to read that because I would prefer him to Dunfield. I had a suspision he was a bit further along than most in Europe but I never made an effort to look for myself, thanks for pointing that out. With Hart giving him props in the last friendly it will be hard to leave the guy out. I haven't watched too much of him, but I get the impression he offers something a bit different which is good. Dunfield and Ledgerwood are both there to work hard but do we really need two of them? Ledgerwood gives us the RB depth so hmmm I think you might be right on Dunfield, too bad for him because this is the best form I have ever seen him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I think Dunfield is a guy you can put on the speed dial if you have some sudden injury issues and need to call him in on short notice. He seems like the kind of guy who would travel "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"-style to get to where he needs to be for the team, and that's the kind of attitude we need from squad guys. Ledgerwood is the new Pozniak in terms of his versatility (though watching him getting scorched for pace at RB vs T&T wasn't comforting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I think Dunfield is a guy you can put on the speed dial if you have some sudden injury issues and need to call him in on short notice. He seems like the kind of guy who would travel "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles"-style to get to where he needs to be for the team, and that's the kind of attitude we need from squad guys. Ledgerwood is the new Pozniak in terms of his versatility (though watching him getting scorched for pace at RB vs T&T wasn't comforting). I'm still not convinced that a guy like Ledgerwood has more to offer than Pozniak. Poz has more experience and plays at a higher level, something doesn't add up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Lars Milan Kenny Jazic De Jong McKenna Hainault Jakovic Edgar Morgan Hutch DeRo JDG Johnson Bernier Ledgerwood Pacheco Dunfield Occean Jackson Ricketts Hume No way Hume get's a sniff at this team. I would bank on REB as an impact sub and perhaps even a Tiebert or Issy as cover on the left over Dunfield or Ledgerwood. I can't see Hart calling both with JDG, Johnson, and Bernier all being higher up the depth chart at DM. Typically Hart favours Ledgerwood, but I think Dunfield get's the nod because he is in midseason form, rather than preseason, not to mention the fact hat he's currently having a breakout season under Mariner and playing regularly at a higher level. My team looks like: Lars Milan Kenny Jazic De Jong McKenna Hainault Jakovic Edgar Morgan Hutch DeRo JDG Johnson Bernier Tiebert (gets the nod over Issy as a result of mid-season form/fitness and looking very sharp last match) Pacheco Dunfield Occean Jackson Ricketts REB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Gagne Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I'm still not convinced that a guy like Ledgerwood has more to offer than Pozniak. Poz has more experience and plays at a higher level, something doesn't add up. Ledgerwood and JBB have compromising photos of Hart... that's my theory and I'm sticking to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Roster to be released Thursday per CSA twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Does anyone think Jackson will start this time around? As pointed out in the Canadian's Abroad thread, he appears to have improved from last season. Right now I would put him ahead of Ricketts even though Ricketts showed well against T&T. I don't want to jix anything, but it appears that many of our players are rounding into form at the right time. Jackson, Atiba, Ledgerwood, Dunfield, and Bernier all scored last weekend. Now if Occean can score this weekend and DeRo has a strong game midweak, I would be delighted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Does anyone think Jackson will start this time around? As pointed out in the Canadian's Abroad thread, he appears to have improved from last season. Right now I would put him ahead of Ricketts even though Ricketts showed well against T&T. I don't want to jix anything, but it appears that many of our players are rounding into form at the right time. Jackson, Atiba, Ledgerwood, Dunfield, and Bernier all scored last weekend. Now if Occean can score this weekend and DeRo has a strong game midweak, I would be delighted! Isn't it sweet to have options? Would be nice to have a more attacking lineup for a change (although our d has been great ... no complaints there). ------------------ Occean ----------------- DeRo -------- Bernier ---- Hutch --- Ricketts ----------------- DeGuzman --------------- DeJong ---- Hainault ---- McKenna ---- Edgar --------------- Hirschfeld ------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob.notenboom Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Is McKenna even going to be available BTW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordsnooty Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Is McKenna even going to be available BTW? He's on the sub bench as I write vs Erzgebirge (Koln down 1-0 in 1st half) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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