Admin Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I am not - -really just curious why the huge "cheating" and "fixed" comments come from - seems fairly cut and dried to me if that is a rule..... **** happens, it is sports. the commentary here is comical. I have doubts it is a conspiracy or some kind of strategy to screw Canada. I rarely watch soccer but did watch this game. I saw a penalty called from what I understand is a black and white rule and then an obvious hand ball....not sure what the outrage is.... Rarely watch soccer? Well there is your answer. Start, and if you ever see that call again, everyone here will pay you $1000. That is now impossible it was. Now stop being a dick or get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Birdstyle Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 so you cant provide any evidence of this being encouraged to steal...and frankly, isnt there something wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Aside from a PM gambling scammer this is the first person I have ever banned. I actually feel bad about it... Response, which is pretty LOL. ---------------------- what a joke, I go online to see why everyone is crying about regarding the game and try to get input and get banned. wow. what i expect on a russian website, but not a canadian site. I would think that it would be welcomed....I am not used to socialism apparently. Disagree or try to investigate and get shut down, congrats. Stalin would be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Aside from a PM gambling scammer this is the first person I have ever banned. But he had so much to contribute! Like "it's stealing" and "I don't watch much soccer" and "why are you such a bitch Snooki?" I guess I'm just not used to socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I'm not putting the loss on McLeod. I can't even say for sure she held the ball for more than 6 seconds. But IF she did, them I'm just wondering out loud. I haven't reviewed the play and counted - I don't have it saved - and the article from ajc.com above seemed to suggest she'd held the ball for teens of seconds on multiple occasions. Her fault for the loss? No. But might her performance be under review given what transpired in this game and previous ones? I expect so. McLeod surely played with fire on this one. I looked back at the game and the first 3 times she held it it was for lapse of 15-16 seconds. A lot of people are saying "it's not call in today's game" or "I've never seen it call" but maybe a simple reason is that keepers will comply after a referee warning. As some of you knows, I play keeper and have done for a long time and every 2 games when I want to slow the tempo of a game a ref tells me to hurry up and some will even bring the possibility of calling me for the 6 seconds call. But I have never have been called for it because I never challenged a ref after he asked me to hurry up. The sanction is very harsh and it's too risky. I usually go for the old yellow card for time wasting on goal kick So if she was warned by the ref I have less sympathy for her, because it really looked like she wanted to slow the game down every time she picked up the ball. That being said, like I wrote in another thread, I don't agree with the call being made. McLeod was at fault on the game winner, hesitation then backtrack and can't save a ball in the middle of the goal. Tough tournament for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescottc Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 @loyola Even if she was warned, it's still a bit cheeky for the ref to make that call at that time in the game. It's akin to warning a pitcher about balking in the 4th inning, the calling a balk in the 9th to bring in the winning run. If she wanted to make a point to McLeod then the proper time to call it would have been much earlier in the game. You don't let her get away with it for 79 minutes of the game and then suddenly make that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 @loyola Even if she was warned, it's still a bit cheeky for the ref to make that call at that time in the game. It's akin to warning a pitcher about balking in the 4th inning, the calling a balk in the 9th to bring in the winning run. If she wanted to make a point to McLeod then the proper time to call it would have been much earlier in the game. You don't let her get away with it for 79 minutes of the game and then suddenly make that call. I made that point in another thread. Earlier in the game would've been thee best moment to make this call. But what if at 3-2 Canada, McLeod decide to keep the ball in her hand for 15-20 seconds or even more? At some point you are forcing the ref to react, specially if a warning was given. The same could be said about YC given for time wasting. Early in the game you never see a ref give it to a keeper who's taking his time on a goal kick. But late in a game, with a team leading 1-0, you'll see that card given to the leading team keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 And even if this was such an egregious case of time wasting that it was literally the worst in ten years, what about Solo doing the same stuff? (Because it wasn't that extraordinary, that's why.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 ^^ Except time wasting, as with any other infraction is only what the ref allows it to become. The ref has the power to negate time wasting because only the ref controls the clock. The ref totally, unquestionably, and arbitrarily chooses when the match ends. He/she ends the match when he/she sees fit. Tacking on or not tacking on time as they see fit for the circumstances. Players (keepers and outfield players) can time waste all they want, the ref already has the tool necessary to negate that tactic without being grotesquely disproportionate. If Pederson had just tacked on 10 seconds for McLeod's alleged time wasting this stain wouldn't be hanging over the contest. But she didn't, she charted a different course, and here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescottc Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I made that point in another thread. Earlier in the game would've been thee best moment to make this call. But what if at 3-2 Canada, McLeod decide to keep the ball in her hand for 15-20 seconds or even more? At some point you are forcing the ref to react, specially if a warning was given. The same could be said about YC given for time wasting. Early in the game you never see a ref give it to a keeper who's taking his time on a goal kick. But late in a game, with a team leading 1-0, you'll see that card given to the leading team keeper. Except the consequences of a yellow card are much different than an indirect free kick in the box. The ref plainly knew she was changing the course of the game with that call (and the subsequent hand ball). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saviola7 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Well what bugs me is that both the free kick and the penalty are half-calls at best. A good way to ref (that is, to ensure you don't dictate the flow of the match too much) is to make every other half-call rather than choose two half-calls in a row. The ref made herself too much of a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcoatsforever Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Aside from a PM gambling scammer this is the first person I have ever banned. I actually feel bad about it... Response, which is pretty LOL. ---------------------- what a joke, I go online to see why everyone is crying about regarding the game and try to get input and get banned. wow. what i expect on a russian website, but not a canadian site. I would think that it would be welcomed....I am not used to socialism apparently. Disagree or try to investigate and get shut down, congrats. Stalin would be proud. Banning people on an internet forum is socialism? If so, I would love to be a socialist. Least complicated political philosophy to date: "Ban Trolls". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj52 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 would love an answer......crickets....Bueller ? Bueller? Obviously some american kid on summer vacation without any friends and nothing to do on his summer vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Except the consequences of a yellow card are much different than an indirect free kick in the box. The ref plainly knew she was changing the course of the game with that call (and the subsequent hand ball). You are missing the point. I was just giving an example of a play that it usually called late in a game because of the context. Time wasting is rarely called early on. Anyways, I just think that if Erin was indeed warned by the ref, then she played with fire after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 "It's customary for the referee to give a warning when she thinks the goalkeeper is taking too much time. Wambach said she saw Pedersen give McLeod a warning. McLeod said she was told by a linesman at the start of the second half not to slow down play, but didn't consider that a proper warning." "It was obviously clear that Canada was trying to bide their time," Wambach said. "They're up a goal, and they're taking as much time as they need. Throughout the game, I was speaking with the ref. She warned Erin throughout the game that she was taking too long. Erin responded with an 'I understand.'" Take it with a grain of salt coming from Wambach, but if this is true then McLeod was definitely playing with fire. Obviously it's a call that is pretty much never made, but if the ref is being anal about things then you should probably not push the envelope too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bob Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Take it with a grain of salt coming from Wambach, but if this is true then McLeod was definitely playing with fire. Obviously it's a call that is pretty much never made, but if the ref is being anal about things then you should probably not push the envelope too much. The ref wasn't being anal about things. She was letting Solo get away with the same infraction and, in all other aspects of the game, the referee's application of the Laws was, shall we say, not informed by a close reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescottc Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 The ref wasn't being anal about things. She was letting Solo get away with the same infraction and, in all other aspects of the game, the referee's application of the Laws was, shall we say, not informed by a close reading. Exactly. How is McLeod supposed to take it seriously if she looks down the other end of the park and sees Solo taking just as long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbrad Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 What was the warning? Assuming it was something along these lines.... Ref: "Erin you are taking too much time with the ball - you will be penalized" Erin (thinking): "Ok no problem, I'll take the yellow card". Being a keeper that is how I would play it. As Cheeta pointed out, the ref can add time in later. The yellow card puts pressure on Erin to play the ball faster the next time around. That is the only call ever made and the one that should have been made - nobody argues she hung on too long. People play the game according to precedent and the normal application of the rules. The call made is and was unheard of, never called, and is so unusual that (surprise) people call it bizarre, unusual and (gasp) suspicious, (including Americans who are not non soccer loving trolls - as evidenced by the cited articles). Any true sports fan wants to watch a game that finishes without referee controversy so that there is no cloud hanging over the result. Great ref's go unnoticed (unfortunately). Pederson failed FIFA, Canada, fans - and the USA - and quite frankly should be the one under investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 As a ref, If you are incosistent in your rulings, then you'll sh#t thrown at you. You can be a tight ass, you can be a loose and let things go. You can be downright bad, so long as you do so in equal measure. Nice to know that Big apple Soccer is already tweeting that a 10 game victory tour has already been established once the USA get home. Do we really need Tin foil hats to know whats going on here? Come on Japan, stick it too 'em Good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 There were so many failings by this referee that will fill a whole page. I had noticed earlier in the game that her positioning was too far from the play and her movement about the field was too restricted. Lack of fitness? or too many condescending assessments? Now that we have the confession from Wambach about influencing the referee, she should have been given a yellow card for dissent at the first instance. Wambach should have kept her mouth shut and got on with the game. But if the referee allowed her to get away with illegal tactics, then Herdmann was right on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Do we really need Tin foil hats to know whats going on here? ! You know....this gives me a good idea. The Voyageurs store will up shortly. Guess what I am going to make and sell on it. Hand crafted Voyageurs personal cranial Faraday cages. Lord knows we need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 You know....this gives me a good idea. The Voyageurs store will up shortly. Guess what I am going to make and sell on it. Hand crafted Voyageurs personal cranial Faraday cages. Lord knows we need them. Tessla caps! I'll by that for a dollar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Tessla caps! I'll by that for a dollar! A dollar? Are you nuts? Clearly you are not taking into considering your overall well being. It will cost more than that to get the foil. Labor costs? Well, none cause these won't be FIFA approved. Engineering & testing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
furtado91 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 A dollar? Are you nuts? Clearly you are not taking into considering your overall well being. It will cost more than that to get the foil. Labor costs? Well, none cause these won't be FIFA approved. Engineering & testing.... dont forget the marketing of said product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 dont forget the marketing of said product. Working on a Patent design as we type..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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