alberta white Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 ... For even suggesting that the New York Cosmos would start back as a ProTeam in the NASL... http://www.bigapplesoccer.com/teams/redbulls2.php?article_id=30805 "Pundit Sugar" is now duly applicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 So what does that portend for MLS's plans for another team in New York? If that goes through, then they would have 2 MLS teams and an NASL team, where previously they had only the 1 MLS team. Hopefully enough loyal soccer fans to go around for all three franchises, if that DOES come about for the MLS one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 The Official Letter from Seamus Obrian is below. http://nycosmos.com/news/new-york-cosmos-join-nasl-2013 Obvious statement about playing at the highest level, but I reckon they couldn't reconcile on having to dump that classy Umbero shirt in favour a a cookie cutter MLS number. Id just like to add, and without any disrepect to the Red bulls intended, in paraphrase of the obdurate Amity Island mayor Larry Vaughn. "You yell New York Red bulls people say" Huh -what" You yell New York Cosmos, and you got yourself a Party on the 12th of July!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/07/12/garber-nasl-cosmos-still-picture-nyc-expansion Garber: NASL Cosmos still in picture for NYC expansion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I've read that Traffic may be looking to drop one of the 4 teams they own (Fort Lauderdale, Atlanta, Carolina, Minnesota). Hope it's not Minnesota. Not counting the opener they are up 50% in attendance this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I've read that Traffic may be looking to drop one of the 4 teams they own (Fort Lauderdale, Atlanta, Carolina, Minnesota). Hope it's not Minnesota. Not counting the opener they are up 50% in attendance this year. Maybe the worst case scenario for whichever franchise is closing down...but more hopeful thinking is a change of ownership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakTFC Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 NYCosmos are doing this in order to build a fan base and appear to be a more attractive option for MLS once MLS can finalize a stadium deal. Its a brilliant play. However, if they fail and NY2 is granted to another organization, you'll probably see the Cosmos fade away and disappear pretty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodiakTFC Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I've read that Traffic may be looking to drop one of the 4 teams they own (Fort Lauderdale, Atlanta, Carolina, Minnesota). Hope it's not Minnesota. Not counting the opener they are up 50% in attendance this year. Its Minnesota. Who else would it be though? Fort Lauderdale is the team the league owned originally and they've DRAMATICALLY turned this team around. I'm pretty sure their attendance is up 300% from 3-4 years ago. Atlanta has the best attendance of all of these; quite a few sellouts. Carolina has a pretty sweet deal in their stadium and I've never heard of any financial misgivings here. The best thing Minnesota has going for it is that it is in a different time zone. http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/07/12/new-cosmos-team-could-strengthen-nasl-and-leave-minnesota-without-pro-soccer/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shermanator Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Its Minnesota. Who else would it be though? Fort Lauderdale is the team the league owned originally and they've DRAMATICALLY turned this team around. I'm pretty sure their attendance is up 300% from 3-4 years ago. Atlanta has the best attendance of all of these; quite a few sellouts. Carolina has a pretty sweet deal in their stadium and I've never heard of any financial misgivings here. The best thing Minnesota has going for it is that it is in a different time zone. http://www.insidemnsoccer.com/2012/07/12/new-cosmos-team-could-strengthen-nasl-and-leave-minnesota-without-pro-soccer/ Yup, I agree that Minnesota is the best option. If the finances aren't working out, then Traffic has to get rid of the weak sister. The posters on bigsoccer have stated that Atlanta is giving away loads of free tickets for their sellouts, although I imagine even paid tickets in Atlanta beat Minnesota's attendance right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 The Cosmos joining the NASL really is fantastic news. It brings a whole new level of visibility to the league. I understand the concerns about Traffic keeping all teams going, but I think it will be hard for them to justify shutting a team down. I thought the NASL was told by the USSF that they needed to have 10 teams for 2013. Right now they have 9. They claimed to have 2 new teams in the mix but there have been no other announcements yet. It's possible that it could be a USL Pro club that wants to make the jump but if it is, they wouldn't announce until the end of their season. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yes, Cosmos to NASL is either going to be huge and lead to MLS, or it's going to fail miserably. I wonder if they'll go after any "name" signings?? Hmmm....I bet the FCE guys were super stoked when they heard Cosmos were joining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 So what does that portend for MLS's plans for another team in New York? If that goes through, then they would have 2 MLS teams and an NASL team, where previously they had only the 1 MLS team. Hopefully enough loyal soccer fans to go around for all three franchises, if that DOES come about for the MLS one. With the NYRB playing in New Jersey, and this new Cosmos team playing on Long Island, they should be competing for different fanbases, in different parts of the city. In fact, there may be scale for intracity rivalries, and eventually derbies, which is a good thing. Having two clubs in different areas should be more successful at reaching more fans than the ground share situation going on with the two LA clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 20, 2012 Author Share Posted July 20, 2012 Yes, Cosmos to NASL is either going to be huge and lead to MLS, or it's going to fail miserably. I wonder if they'll go after any "name" signings?? Hmmm....I bet the FCE guys were super stoked when they heard Cosmos were joining. I read Archers piece on Inside Soccer, which felt as if it had "Well Sod you!" written between every line. Basically a case of well we don't need you Cosmos, even if you are the Iconic Image of Stateside Soccer? which to most of europe they are by the way. Saying that however, O'brian comments did feel rather naughty at times, and seemed to be belittling the MLS somewhat. Personally I don't like MLS, but It did get soccerl living a breathing in NA again so It does deserve to be respected. There is an undenyable Ideolgical impass between the Cosmos and the MLS anyway. The shirt deal been symbolic of this difference of opinion. Cosmos want to be independent; Have their own shirt deal, control their own playing staff do their own merchandising; whic, to some extent, is how the NASL (and most european leagues) is effectivley set up. The Traffic organisation clubs not withstanding, Edmonton pays its money to the NASL to be in the League but has its own (rather nice) kit deal and looks after its own roster as well. (Lets not go there on this thread okay?). The MLS see things in terms of the League been in control of the whole show; a traditional NA sports model, right? To anyone still wondering about what defines the nature of CLUB or FRANCHAISE this currently comes the closest to explaining it it terms of an organisation stand point. As for who's next in the MLS: Orlando? By the way, the talk of playing at Hofsta (?) University. There is a biggish football stadium there, But the University also has a Smaller soccer field across the Road, that would probably take Additional Bleachers to bring it up to the 5K NASL requirement. Still, why not remain ambiguous? It gets you attention right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 NASL will be hoping the Cosmos can create some fan and investor interest in the 2nd division before they too leave for MLS. For the sake of Canada's development at the D2 level, I hope it works out that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 I'm not too sure that the Cosmos' intent is to build up their brand and Jump ship; at least not this current ownership group. Again it goes back to the shirt thing. Cosmos currently give off all the signals of wanting to be an Independent Club, controling their own rosters, shirt deals and mechandising rather than diving up to the League owners in the traditional Franchaise model. Two weeks ago Commisioner Downs of the NASL was interviewed at half time (Silverbacks v Edmonton). Apart from the expected/ excited respose to the Cosmos inclusion, what was interseting was the "Vision" for a 15-20 strong National League. He stressed that there was a determination to avoid regionalisation (by that I presume Confrencing as well). If this does work, (bearing in mind were only in NASL 2.0 year 2) then It going to get interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I would LOVE to see the Cosmos stay as the flagship franchise of a strong NASL, because Second Division Soccer needs some stability after all the angst and infighting of the last few years. I just checked the wikipedia page for the A-League, and it lists 43 different clubs active over the course of ten seasons. That is way too much instability for fans and sponsors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alberta white Posted August 3, 2012 Author Share Posted August 3, 2012 Yes stability is the issue. It not so much having clubs drop in and out of the league but having them start and fold. How does one build an aliegence to an organisation that last only a couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmd Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I wish Montreal, Vancouver, Portland and seattle never went to the MLS. With the Cosmos coming back, that would have really put presure on MLS to maybe rethink how they run the league and maybe start Promo/relegation. Hate seeing teams...TFC for 6 years still in MLS cause they have money. I wish all sports followed that of soccer outside of North America. Let teams that do not perform get relegated and have to work their way up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 I wish Montreal, Vancouver, Portland and seattle never went to the MLS. With the Cosmos coming back, that would have really put presure on MLS to maybe rethink how they run the league and maybe start Promo/relegation. Hate seeing teams...TFC for 6 years still in MLS cause they have money. I wish all sports followed that of soccer outside of North America. Let teams that do not perform get relegated and have to work their way up. I don't follow this at all. A stronger NASL would push MLS to instigate a promotion relegation system...because you want it to? I see your point about keeping our teams out of top flight football though. Imagine it now. Toronto Lynx..Wyn Belotte...no BMO field...yeah awesome. As for relegation, try explaining to newly converted soccer fans why the teams they just started following won't be able to keep any of their favourite players next season. Oh and we won't get to see any of the rival teams we've come to hate or the flashy opponents we enjoy watching either, because we're going back down to NASL after our first season in MLS. We might be there a while, too...but do stick around. This model is not right for growing soccer in our country. It works in countries where the culture is ingrained and the sport is flourishing, but not here. So let's wait until one day in the distant future we have a strong enough football culture to entertain this thought and until then thank god for MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 I go back to the original NASL days and having the Cosmos back is just fantastic. They have big money and big names backing them. I assume that it'll be a relatively short stay, depending on if they can get into the MLS at some point. Why I really like this is because of what it means to the rest of the NASL cities. It'll raise the bar. I've watched a ton of NASL this year, their website is fantastic and has full games taped(and live) for essentially every game played. Even the video quality and commentating have improved massively since last season. I think the Eddies still have the best coverage, and now with the CBC attached, it's perhaps the best for any of the Canadian teams at any level. But to the point, after watching quite a few games, it's clear to see that there are quite a few NASL teams operating on very thin budgets. I'm certain that Edmonton probably has the largest budget by a fairly large margin. The Cosmos entering the arena will change all that and hopefully light a flame under some of the other cities, like Minnesota for example. I kinda figured it was going to happen at some point but now that it's here, and it's going to be in the NASL... fantastic. ... For even suggesting that the New York Cosmos would start back as a ProTeam in the NASL... http://www.bigapplesoccer.com/teams/redbulls2.php?article_id=30805 "Pundit Sugar" is now duly applicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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