jpg75 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 If MLSE had come back to the fan base and said "we tried to re-sign Eckersley, but it would have cost us more than the MLS max." every fan would have understood. Ecks is a pretty good FB by MLS standards, but there is a lot a club can do with 390K. Not to mention that Hall is looking just as good as Ecks and all of a sudden his signing looks redundant and a severe waste of cap space. Throw in the CB signing debacle and you have to think that MLSE still don't have any competent talent evaluators in the FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Yeah, I have to agree that salary is unjustifiable. He's an ok player, but nowhere near worth that kind of scratch. Also, hidden in the Plata salary is the rumored 500k in transfer money that he cost. That's a terrible use of resources. I think Kurt Larson of the Toronto Sun made some solid points during a radio interview a little while ago. He said these two guys were nice players and they occupied a place in the TFC fans mindset, but management should of had bigger priorities. That 300k is something that should have been spent on a CB for example. I think people should have been able to get over letting these guys go in return for some better signings at other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatest Cockney Rip Off Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 For Eckersley, why would his bsae salary be $210,000 but is guaranteed $390,000. Why would there be such a large difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmonte Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 For Eckersley, why would his bsae salary be $210,000 but is guaranteed $390,000. Why would there be such a large difference? That is a big discrepency. You have to wonder if some of those bonuses are based on games started? Not saying Hall didn't deserve the chance, because I actually am liking his game more than Eckersley's anyways...but wonder if that's how the proverbial ball got rolling, was to try and cut out some of his bonus structure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 That is a big discrepency. You have to wonder if some of those bonuses are based on games started? Not saying Hall didn't deserve the chance, because I actually am liking his game more than Eckersley's anyways...but wonder if that's how the proverbial ball got rolling, was to try and cut out some of his bonus structure? If it is guaranteed salary they can not cut it out. Any bonuses would be on top of that. It could possibly include a transfer fee because that counts under the cap too I think but I am not sure how MLS indicates that. However, on press releases it seems like Eckersley was simply released by Burnley and I think it would be pretty hard to justify paying much of a transfer fee for a player of that calibre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 If it is guaranteed salary they can not cut it out. Any bonuses would be on top of that. It could possibly include a transfer fee because that counts under the cap too I think but I am not sure how MLS indicates that. However, on press releases it seems like Eckersley was simply released by Burnley and I think it would be pretty hard to justify paying much of a transfer fee for a player of that calibre.I believe Eckersley had time left on his contract with Burnley (signed a 4 yr contract in 09) and asked for a release by mutual consent, so that he can sign with TFC. he has said that he wanted first team mins, which TFC was willing to provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Whatever the reason is, that is a lot of money to invest in a right back, in MLS. Its also crazy to be paying a guy like Eckersley that much and not even have him start lately. Same thing with Koevermans (although there is the on going 'is he fit' issue). TFC has a vary weird salary structure. A lot of guys that I would consider over-payed and a lot of guys that I would consider bargains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Whatever the reason is, that is a lot of money to invest in a right back, in MLS. Its also crazy to be paying a guy like Eckersley that much and not even have him start lately. Same thing with Koevermans (although there is the on going 'is he fit' issue). TFC has a vary weird salary structure. A lot of guys that I would consider over-payed and a lot of guys that I would consider bargains. I don't like the mentality of whoever gets paid the most should be playing. it should be coaches decision to play the players he deemed fit, and best for the game. just because a guy makes DP money, he shouldn't be an automatic starter (and Koevermans coming off as a sub seemed to have motivated him even more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I don't like the mentality of whoever gets paid the most should be playing. it should be coaches decision to play the players he deemed fit, and best for the game. just because a guy makes DP money, he shouldn't be an automatic starter (and Koevermans coming off as a sub seemed to have motivated him even more) I actually agree with your first sentence, but in a cap league, its a terrible waste of resources to turn your DP striker into a super sub, or have the 2nd most expensive defender in the league starting games from the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 only 9 millionaires in MLS and 3 play on TFC?....wow....of course they are owned by the same group as the leafs. dero is a steal....toronto should sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 only 9 millionaires in MLS and 3 play on TFC?....wow....of course they are owned by the same group as the leafs. dero is a steal....toronto should sign him. DeRo's salary makes me question a lot of this list because I know for a fact he makes over a million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I actually agree with your first sentence, but in a cap league, its a terrible waste of resources to turn your DP striker into a super sub, or have the 2nd most expensive defender in the league starting games from the bench.whatever works to get wins... even if it means using your DPs as subs. seems to be working well for DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narduch Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 whatever works to get wins... even if it means using your DPs as subs. seems to be working well for DC And it isn't working for TFC. One win in 10 games isn't a sign of success. TFC needs Koevermans playing 90 minutes every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Would be interesting to find out what Caiceido was signed for. Overpaying Eckersley and signing Aceval and Caicedo sight unseen in MLS training camp terms were the seeds for this MLS regular season's destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Definitely disappointed with how the two South Americans have panned out. As for Eckersley and everybody else on too high wages, it's one thing to overpay for a player but quite another when that same deal is a guaranteed one over 3 or so years. I'm curious as to how long his deal is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munseahawk Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Here's an explanation of the two columns, taken from the MLS Players Union website. http://www.mlsplayers.org/salary_info.html "In the survey, all player salaries are broken down into two numbers. The first is the player's current base salary. The second is characterized as annual average guaranteed compensation. The annual average guaranteed compensation number includes a player's base salary and all signing and guaranteed bonuses annualized over the term of the player's contract, including option years. For example, if a player has a base salary of $50,000, has a two-year contract with two one-year options and received a $10,000 bonus when he signed, his average annual guaranteed compensation would be $52,500 (base salary plus signing bonus ($10,000), with the signing bonus divided by the number of years covered by the contract (4)). The average annual guaranteed compensation number also includes any annual marketing bonus to be received in the current year and any agent's fees annualized over the term of the contract. The average annual guaranteed compensation figure does not include performance bonuses because there is no guarantee that the player will hit those bonuses. These figures include compensation from each player's contract with MLS. They do not include any compensation from any contracts with individual teams or their affiliates." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber20 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 If central defence is a problem for TFC then I would have thought that Arne Friedrich would have been a great choice... especially at $253k. He is fit, established, great international pedigree, can help with the young Canadians and AFFORDABLE. Yet noone at TFC made an offer. Great steal for Chicago! Hey TFC... he is on a one year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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