2012 MLS Salaries - Full list released

[Free kick]

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/May%2015,%202012%20Salary%20Information%20-%20By%20Club.pdf

[The Ref]

I think De Guzman is overpaid!

[shermanator]

Eckersley makes 390k while Morgan and Henry make 45k? That's crazy!

[Keegan]

Eckersley makes 390k while Morgan and Henry make 45k? That's crazy!

This is TFC's problem right here... theres no way a player of Eckersley's caliber should be making that much. He is average at very best... look at Hainault 160,000 on one of the best teams in the league. But the fans make TFC do this, everyone pressures management to sign these players from the UK on outrageous salaries, he was good for a loan as emergency cover but come on.. he doesn't even fit in the system its a JOKE.

[nolando]

Bernier only came back for 150 K. Bonjour at 276 K and Mattocks at 192 K jump out at me for Caps.

[Keegan]

Bernier only came back for 150 K. Bonjour at 276 K and Mattocks at 192 K jump out at me for Caps.

Ya Mattocks at that number might explain why Montreal passed

[Free kick]

Eckersley makes 390k while Morgan and Henry make 45k? That's crazy!

I missed that Eckersley salary when i scnned the list. That cant be right. I thought he was valuable contributor last year but a little less so this year. Either way i saw nothing anywhere near 390k worth of contibution. I have got to think that that is typo or misprint of some sort.

[tmcmurph]

Mattocks in GA so a lot doesn't count. The best deal in the whole league has to be YP Lee. I am just amazed that we got him at all never mind for the price we pay. I'm sure there are some back room deals with Kerfoot but we'll (and the MLS) will never know.

[JamesW]

I have got to think that that is typo or misprint of some sort.

You are joking, right? I mean, this is TFC we are talking about.

[Keegan]

No chance it's a typo, Eckersley has been on the books of premier league clubs thats what it takes

[elmateo]

This is dangerous news for Eks, now people are going to start demanding more out of him... People who are calling for Mariner to replace Winter need to really think about who might have gone through with this deal (Mariner was supposed to understand the cap system and be in more control of bringing in players). It really undermines the whole idea of bringing a team through the academy when the team goes and blows cap space all the time; we'll never know if Attakora lacked time or really was never going to make it because $$ issues got to him before and such problems could happen continuously with young talent if they are put beside 'equals' in everything but pay checks. Plata appears to be appropriately paid for a young guy with something to yet to provie - does the transfer figure into this? There is a lot of 'mystery' numbers with the actual cap space.

[Mr.Impact]

Nelson Rivas is listed at a salary of $50,000. The theory here, is that the club has used allocation money to reduce his cap hit. Sort of the same strategy used by DC United for DeRo's salary. I suppose it's the same for YP Lee.

[Yohan]

Nelson Rivas is listed at a salary of $50,000. The theory here, is that the club has used allocation money to reduce his cap hit. Sort of the same strategy used by DC United for DeRo's salary. I suppose it's the same for YP Lee.

even if Mtl used allocation money to reduce Rivas's salary, his full salary would have been listed.

[Mr.Impact]

even if Mtl used allocation money to reduce Rivas's salary, his full salary would have been listed.

Well then ...either Rivas is getting screwed royally, or IMFC discovered a way to bypass the salary cap. I find it hard to believe that a player who granted, was injured often, to leave Italy to come to NA for $50k???

Unless they paid him a hefty signing bonus, before the club was officially in the MLS (he was the club's first signing).

[smartlikefox]

Well then ...either Rivas is getting screwed royally, or IMFC discovered a way to bypass the salary cap. I find it hard to believe that a player who granted, was injured often, to leave Italy to come to NA for $50k???

Unless they paid him a hefty signing bonus, before the club was officially in the MLS (he was the club's first signing).

That's likely the case. The Caps did that with a couple of guys.

[narduch]

Rivas was probably out of options. He had been released by Inter in the summer of 2011.

He probably didn't have much bargaining power.

[Free kick]

Rivas was probably out of options. He had been released by Inter in the summer of 2011.

He probably didn't have much bargaining power.

But at 50K? There has to to be some fine print in there that we are not being shown. The Plata salary is also mysterious to me. He is listed at 50K which is, i think, equal to or less than what he was making last year (his rookie season). We know that over the winter they bought him out from Quito in Ecuador and we know that he was named player of the year in some circles. So the product of his negotiations results in a contract that pays him only 50K? that cant be right.

This is the third or fourth year that we get this list. But this is the first time that Ive seen such oddities and head scratching numbers.

[Mr.Impact]

But at 50K? There has to to be some fine print in there that we are not being shown. The Plata salary is also mysterious to me. He is listed at 50K which is, i think, equal to or less than what he was making last year (his rookie season). We know that over the winter they bought him out from Quito in Ecuador and we know that he was named player of the year in some circles. So the product of his negotiations results in a contract that pays him only 50K? that cant be right.

This is the third or fourth year that we get this list. But this is the first time that Ive seen such oddities and head scratching numbers.

Rivas was heavily featured in the club's marketing campaign, and word is that he was compensated nicely for his ... um...work. Ultimately, it seems that there are several ways to bypass the leagues, salary cap.

The clubs can't do this with every player, but if you pick and choose the right players it's a definite advantage having only $50k of say a $300k compensation.

[Yohan]

My understanding of MLS salary cap is that any sort of signing bonus and such does count towards cap hit.

I suspect in Rivas's case, it's something like what Seattle did with Mauro Rosales. You play on low salary on your first year. You perform well, you get a raise 2nd year.

[Olympique_de_Marseille]

My understanding of MLS salary cap is that any sort of signing bonus and such does count towards cap hit.

So what falls into the Guaranteed Compensation column?

As well, why is Ali Gerba not on this list? I thought he was getting paid in his words "to sit at home". Can you be on a club's payroll and not be listed? I know nothing of these things...

[Grizzly]

So what falls into the Guaranteed Compensation column?

As well, why is Ali Gerba not on this list? I thought he was getting paid in his words "to sit at home". Can you be on a club's payroll and not be listed? I know nothing of these things...

Gerba is under contract to the old NASL Montreal Impact not the MLS team so his salary does not count on the club's payroll. If his contract is never transferred to MLS and he never plays he is no more a part of the team than Saputo's cheese factory workers.

As far as Rivas contract goes it is true that the second salary listed is the minimum guaranteed compensation not the maximum. I suspect with his injury history they may have signed a contract with a low base salary that can be increased depending on number of games played. As long as they had the cap space I think they would be able to do this. Regardless there must be some accounting magic going on there because I do not see him playing for 50 000.

The other thing that stands out for me on Montreal's list is the difference between Corradi's salary 265 000 and Ferrari's 185 000. They are two players with a similar past but Corradi is a bit older and is more or less rejuvenating his career after not playing much for quite a while. Ferrari was playing for Besiktas not that long ago and while he had some injury problems and problems with the club I think could have found a European club fairly easily. I would expect their salaries to be reversed and that would also reflect their play so far, ie. both have been good signings but Ferrari has been the better player.

Also Braun making 104 000 is just obscene. At the time of the trade for him I thought it was a good deal based only on statistics because he had scored at a decent rate for Chivas though mostly in bunches. However, he is the worst player on the Impact by far and doesn't even look like he should be MLS or even NASL for that matter. He is big and physical and fairly fast for his size but has absolutely no football skills or intelligence whatsoever. No one understands why Marsh keeps playing him. It must be because he traded for him. I can understand Sebrango not getting on the pitch if we have better strikers but to be out of the lineup because of Braun? And considering we traded a decent veteran fullback for him who is having a good season as a starter with Chivas and on a similar salary while we lack good fullbacks, that was a terrible trade.

And if it is not a misprint the Eckersly salary is outrageous. I thought last year he showed he was a decent backup/sometimes starter and should have been retained but at a salary around 100 000 not almost 400 000. He was on loan from a Championship side not a Premiership side and even if that was his salary with Burnley he was on constant loan for a reason. Toronto has to pay players what they are worth to Toronto not what their former club paid them. TFC could have gotten two solid defenders significantly better than Eckersley for that type of money and probably would not be 1-9 had they done so.

[Yohan]

So what falls into the Guaranteed Compensation column?

nobody really knows lol. I'm guessing stuff like appearance, goals, assists bonuses and such

[Yohan]

Also Braun making 104 000 is just obscene. At the time of the trade for him I thought it was a good deal based only on statistics because he had scored at a decent rate for Chivas though mostly in bunches. However, he is the worst player on the Impact by far and doesn't even look like he should be MLS or even NASL for that matter. He is big and physical and fairly fast for his size but has absolutely no football skills or intelligence whatsoever. No one understands why Marsh keeps playing him. It must be because he traded for him. I can understand Sebrango not getting on the pitch if we have better strikers but to be out of the lineup because of Braun? And considering we traded a decent veteran fullback for him who is having a good season as a starter with Chivas and on a similar salary while we lack good fullbacks, that was a terrible trade.

Justin Braun has a decent strike rate in MLS. He's got potential, but he's at the crossroad where he might turn into next Wondo, or Chad Barrett. And strikers are streaky lot, and confidence affects their game.

And if it is not a misprint the Eckersly salary is outrageous. I thought last year he showed he was a decent backup/sometimes starter and should have been retained but at a salary around 100 000 not almost 400 000. He was on loan from a Championship side not a Premiership side and even if that was his salary with Burnley he was on constant loan for a reason. Toronto has to pay players what they are worth to Toronto not what their former club paid them. TFC could have gotten two solid defenders significantly better than Eckersley for that type of money and probably would not be 1-9 had they done so.

Eckersley was reported be on something like 500k per season with Burnley. Any player with semi decent European pedigree generally ends up making more than what they are worth in MLS. (with some exceptions like Ferrari or Rivas)

Plus Eckersley is a fan favourite in Toronto, and he was one of better performers for TFC last year. I can understand why TFC end up signing Eckersley to a such a contract

[Grizzly]

Justin Braun has a decent strike rate in MLS. He's got potential, but he's at the crossroad where he might turn into next Wondo, or Chad Barrett. And strikers are streaky lot, and confidence affects their game.

Have you ever seen him play or are you only looking at him scoring 8 goals last year? He has no skills whatsoever. He has enough size and speed that probably if he is played enough he will get the odd goal. However, he hasn't scored yet in 9 appearances with the Impact so far 5 of which were starts. And he has also cost us a few goals already because even as a striker he gives the ball up so much and is so poor at covering his man on standards that he is a defensive liability. And yes he scored 8 goals last year but he had a lot of playing time and appeared in 29 matches while only scoring in 4 games because in two of them he scored 3 goals each. He might get lucky and pot the odd goal but not a reliable scorer at all and when he is not scoring he is the worst guy out on the pitch. Even Brovsky is twice as good as Braun. Actually after learning about the trade and looking at his goal numbers I thought it was a good deal but when I went on the Chivas forums their fans all said he was terrible and no loss at all. They were right. When he goes on the field for the Impact there is a collective "Again, WTF is Marsh thinking" from all the stadium.

Eckersley was reported be on something like 500k per season with Burnley. Any player with semi decent European pedigree generally ends up making more than what they are worth in MLS. (with some exceptions like Ferrari or Rivas)

Plus Eckersley is a fan favourite in Toronto, and he was one of better performers for TFC last year. I can understand why TFC end up signing Eckersley to a such a contract

Except Eckersley has no semi-decent European pedigree. He had two short substitution appearances with ManU when he was young. Signed a four year deal with Burnley and could not make the team either during their one year in the Premiership nor when they dropped to the Championship. He had one loan deal to Plymouth (where Mariner was manager) where he played 7 games to cover for an injured starter and then had two loan deals to League 2 teams where he played 15 games. How does that equal 390 000?

I don't think he was bad last year but one of the best performers on TFC? I remember the whole debate here about whether to resign him or not and the feeling was pretty mixed. I don't think I posted on the thread but I thought he was good to re-sign but I think even those most in favour of re-signing him were thinking he would make in the slightly more than 100 000 range. If TFC is paying 390 000 to a player with 2 EPL sub appearances, 7 Championship appearances and 15 League 2 appearance they are really out of their minds. I mean I don't even think MoJo would do that. And when a player makes an obscenely out of line salary and also has a previous connection to someone in management it always makes me go hmmm!

[Yohan]

Have you ever seen him play or are you only looking at him scoring 8 goals last year? He has no skills whatsoever. He has enough size and speed that probably if he is played enough he will get the odd goal. However, he hasn't scored yet in 9 appearances with the Impact so far 5 of which were starts. And he has also cost us a few goals already because even as a striker he gives the ball up so much and is so poor at covering his man on standards that he is a defensive liability. And yes he scored 8 goals last year but he had a lot of playing time and appeared in 29 matches while only scoring in 4 games because in two of them he scored 3 goals each. He might get lucky and pot the odd goal but not a reliable scorer at all and when he is not scoring he is the worst guy out on the pitch. Even Brovsky is twice as good as Braun. Actually after learning about the trade and looking at his goal numbers I thought it was a good deal but when I went on the Chivas forums their fans all said he was terrible and no loss at all. They were right. When he goes on the field for the Impact there is a collective "Again, WTF is Marsh thinking" from all the stadium.

I watch on average 4-5 MLS games per week. Braun was one of better players on Chivas USA past two years

Except Eckersley has no semi-decent European pedigree. He had two short substitution appearances with ManU when he was young. Signed a four year deal with Burnley and could not make the team either during their one year in the Premiership nor when they dropped to the Championship. He had one loan deal to Plymouth (where Mariner was manager) where he played 7 games to cover for an injured starter and then had two loan deals to League 2 teams where he played 15 games. How does that equal 390 000?

I don't think he was bad last year but one of the best performers on TFC? I remember the whole debate here about whether to resign him or not and the feeling was pretty mixed. I don't think I posted on the thread but I thought he was good to re-sign but I think even those most in favour of re-signing him were thinking he would make in the slightly more than 100 000 range. If TFC is paying 390 000 to a player with 2 EPL sub appearances, 7 Championship appearances and 15 League 2 appearance they are really out of their minds. I mean I don't even think MoJo would do that. And when a player makes an obscenely out of line salary and also has a previous connection to someone in management it always makes me go hmmm!

now I could be wrong, but I believe Burnley didn't want to play Eckersley because if he made certain amount of appearances, they owe Man U more transfer fees.

I don't think Eckersley is best fullback defensively, but I think he's one of better ones offensively. I agree that Eckersley is overpaid by MLS standards, but again, I still think he was one of better performers on a ****ty TFC team last year, and TFC FO caved in to fan pressure.