CHL Model

[Saugan]

I would love to see us have a soccer league with the same model as the CHL. Why don't we?

Is this something the CSA has even looked into, and if so, what were the stumbling blocks? Is implementing a league in this model something that may be on Victor Montagliani's agenda?

[Redcoatsforever]

I know the CSL have talked about pursuing such a thing for years, but the problem has always seemed to be that no region really trusts any other region to have actual good faith talks.

[argh1]

I would love to see us have a soccer league with the same model as the CHL. Why don't we?

Is this something the CSA has even looked into, and if so, what were the stumbling blocks? Is implementing a league in this model something that may be on Victor Montagliani's agenda?

I hear ya. I bleed for ya.

But hockey is on just another plateau than any other sport that...........I dunno is the community support there?

We all wish it was.

Here's a video of a Senior Hockey game in North West NB. No NHL hopefulls just my town against yours.

When I see something like this for soccer I'll really believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwIEGtK7NOI&feature=player_embedded

And that can be repeated in all provinces in many no name leagues.

Soccer I think has to look at a different model only because it's not hockey

[Redcoatsforever]

I hear ya. I bleed for ya.

But hockey is on just another plateau than any other sport that...........I dunno is the community support there?

We all wish it was.

Here's a video of a Senior Hockey game in North West NB. No NHL hopefulls just my town against yours.

When I see something like this for soccer I'll really believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwIEGtK7NOI&feature=player_embedded

And that can be repeated in all provinces in many no name leagues.

Soccer I think has to look at a different model only because it's not hockey

I'm pretty sure Saugan just means an umbrella organization that has several leagues throughout the country involved in a common playoff championship.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

I would love to see us have a soccer league with the same model as the CHL. Why don't we?

Because the mainstream demographic in Canada in their infinite wisom decided that hockey and Canadian football would be the sports that would define their society culturally, which meant that until relatively recently soccer was very much marginalized and something that recent immigrant communities tended to organize amongst themselves.

Is this something the CSA has even looked into, and if so, what were the stumbling blocks? Is implementing a league in this model something that may be on Victor Montagliani's agenda?

You don't need to go too far down the pages on this subforum to find threads about the CSA's latest attempt to launch a pro league. It appears to have fizzled out and MLS and the NASL will probably be D1 and D2 for the foreseeable future by the looks of things. Given the way the CSA is structured it may be the provincial associations rather than the CSA that wind up calling the shots below that and there appear to be plans to set up soccer's equivalent of the CHL at least in an Ontario context:

http://www.cansoc.org/showthread.php?44086-New-Ontario-Player-Development-League

[argh1]

I'm pretty sure Saugan just means an umbrella organization that has several leagues throughout the country involved in a common playoff championship.

We already have that in Challenge Cup and U's tourneys

What we don't have is the tribal my hometown vs your hometown mentality for the game. That hockey brings out.

[Redcoatsforever]

We already have that in Challenge Cup and U's tourneys

What we don't have is the tribal my hometown vs your hometown mentality for the game. That hockey brings out.

Except that those clubs are amateur and don't have spectators. A few clubs in the CSL and PLSQ are starting to pull that off, and if they can get an inter-league championship going (maybe a V's cup berth) the interest should be enhanced quite a bit. I'm positive that if London City were to host the senior Toronto FC, Impact, or Whitecaps squad at TD Waterhouse, they would have at least 8,000 turn out, more if they temporarily expanded the stadium.

[argh1]

Except that those clubs are amateur and don't have spectators. A few clubs in the CSL and PLSQ are starting to pull that off, and if they can get an inter-league championship going (maybe a V's cup berth) the interest should be enhanced quite a bit. I'm positive that if London City were to host the senior Toronto FC, Impact, or Whitecaps squad at TD Waterhouse, they would have at least 8,000 turn out, more if they temporarily expanded the stadium.

But amateur hockey does have spectators

Want more videos of nothing hockey leagues

[Juby]

You don't need to go too far down the pages on this subforum to find threads about the CSA's latest attempt to launch a pro league. It appears to have fizzled out and MLS and the NASL will probably be D1 and D2 for the foreseeable future by the looks of things.

Although the second sentence is true at a d1 and d2 level, what he doesn't mention is that 'fizzled' isn't very accurate. The study he's refering to did say that a D-2 was unlikely, but they are currently hoping to get greenlit for a phase II, researching the viability of a regional d-3 (that could be regions under a cup, or it could even be pro, albeit not d-2). So fizzled is probably misleading, it's actually funny to see him fail to mention the Phase II because he's the one who provided the link were we heard about this phase II.

In other words, a CHL type league might actually be an idea on the agenda (I prefer more like six regions to lessen travel), especially if Rethink get's the go ahead for a phase two.

[Redcoatsforever]

Although the second sentence is true at a d1 and d2 level, what he doesn't mention is that 'fizzled' isn't very accurate. The study he's refering to did say that a D-2 was unlikely, but they are currently hoping to get greenlit for a phase II, researching the viability of a regional d-3 (that could be pro, albeit not d-2). So fizzled is probably misleading, it's actually funny to see him try and fib around the edges because he's the one who provided the link were we heard about this phase II.

In other words, a CHL type league might actually be an idea on the agenda (I prefer smaller regions to lessen travel), especially if Rethink get's the go ahead for a phase two. You probably should be pretty skeptical of bbtb 'summaries' for his links (he's been known to fail to mention key details that disagree with his bias).

I think in this case you should stick to "fizzled is probably inaccurate" and leave out the bit about fibbing. I don't think any misrepresentation was intended here.

[DigzTFC]

Phase 1 Study for 2nd Division has been with the CSA since December.

Here are the potential solutions you'll find on the Rethink website:

http://rethinkmanagementgroup.com/in_league

Phase 1 strongly talked about the Regional U-23 league and would probably be the basis of the Phase 2 Study upon approval of the CSA.

The CSA was probably waiting on the elections of a new president to be completed along with other board members.

Once the governing body is in place, it would make sense that such a large decision would be on the agenda.

[BringBackTheBlizzard]

If you listen to an old It's Called Football podcast that had an interview with Peter Montopoli of the CSA, you'll find what the reasons for the timing of the study were (2015 Women's World cup related) and what they were very much hoping to get back as an answer (D2 rather than D3 and involving teams like FC Edmonton):

http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/content.php?2281-It-s-Called-Football-Interview-Only-with-Peter-Montopoli

{think it's this one anyway don't have sufficient bandwidth available to double check}

Given some of the larger provinces are already moving ahead with player development structures not all that dissimilar to what Easton and co are prosposing there may be no reason for a phase two to proceed now. I strongly suspect that the rethink study is destined to gather dust on a shelf alongside the KPMG report and CUSL blueprint.

[Juby]

your point doesn't make sense: If he was interested in a D-2, why wouldn't he be interested in a D-3? Not to mention none of the rethink conclusions were completed, no recommendation or phase II had even come up yet (last year). The LTPD stuff is about general player development, this study is SPECIFICALLY about league structure(higher then amateur largely for adult players). Your saying that with LTPD programs we don't need more Long Term men's opportunities anymore? This thread is called 'CHL Model', not 'BBTB faux political crap repeated ad nausem'.

AHAHAHAHA, always, ALWAYS, listen to to podcast, at one point, Peter Montopoli says in regards to if travel costs were too high (you can find it Oct 5th, 2011, http://itscalledfootball.podhoster.com/index.php?sid=2540&m=10&y=2011 because bbtb's link strangely doesn't work?):

"I'd think you'd have to look at regional play if it is that the travel becomes very onorous. I'd think we'd have to take a look maybe at a different way of structuring it but I hate to predetermine what the study will say ... Get the study in our hands, take a look at what James has reviewed so that we would have a better idea, It might be just a little premature to answer that question"

I got no sense that he categorically wouldn't be interested in any d-3 issues in the event a d-2 is viable (he does seem pretty hopeful for a d-2 though), just the opposite, he seemed vague rather then negatively committal on the 'ifs' that came up. So why did bbtb try to dishonestly connect Montopoli to his points (using a podcast with a bad link no less)

ON TOPIC: One positive for travel but negative for fans, if it (the cup) had a strict four team field, the end of year qualifiers would probably be afforable both in the shorter sense and relatively(the top teams and one riding high)