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Macksam Mentor

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If the best marketing empire in the country can't correct it I don't know who can. How can I say that? Well MLSE has paraded the biggest pile of losers for the past couple of decades and the saps still continue to fill the coffers.

LOL, meter, good one.

TFC doesn't have a marketing problem. They have a managerial problem related to the on-field operations. I'm pretty sure someone else can correct that problem if they took over.

Isn't it a meter? Should I have said yard?

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I shouldn't be talking about football because I said that? Really?

Really. What do you think it is, Rugby?

The nerve of some people. Macksam, there is a whole ten centimetre difference between a yard and a metre. That means that if a Canadian football field were measured in metres, it would be a whole 1.2 yards longer than it is now. That's a difference of 1.1%!

Your lack of knowledge is astounding, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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Really. What do you think it is, Rugby?

The nerve of some people. Macksam, there is a whole ten centimetre difference between a yard and a metre. That means that if a Canadian football field were measured in metres, it would be a whole 1.2 yards longer than it is now. That's a difference of 1.1%!

Your lack of knowledge is astounding, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

lol, I shall never speak about Canadian football ever again.

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there is a whole ten centimetre difference between a yard and a metre. That means that if a Canadian football field were measured in metres, it would be a whole 1.2 yards longer than it is now. That's a difference of 1.1%!

Uhm, I think you might want to brush up on your math skills. 100yd = 91.44m (or the reverse: 100m = 109yd).

That is, by the math I was taught, quite a bit more than 1.1%. ;)

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A Hamiltonian here, just thought I'd weigh in on this.

First off, for Ottawa, without a doubt they should go with the same high quality turf that Seattle and Vancouver use, and I don't say that because I'm a much bigger CFL fan then Soccer fan. The thing you have to accept is this will be a shared stadium between soccer and CFL Football, of that there is no question and there is a good chunk of overlap in league schedules. So now that we know it's almost a complete given that a Soccer game is going to immediately follow a Football game at some point, do you honestly feel that even with Desso Grassmaster, that a grass pitch is going to be preferable to a turf pitch after 60 minutes of tackle Football? Nevermind the costs involved with maintenance. As far as FIFA standards, and what quality of game it will be, that's an arguement that can be made when Soccer takes off in Canada and every team has their own field, for now it's not sustainable if some stadium sharing doesn't occur.

Second, there is plenty of room for both Soccer and CFL Football and both have great potential to be successful. Both are high quality products, Soccer with it's supporter groups, songs, wide global scope and waving flags/scarfs and Football with it's fan clubs (Box J Boys), chants (Oski Wee Wee!), offensive rattling noise and of course, US interest (The CFL is being broadcast on NBC this year) over 100 years of history in our nation. Ripping into either sport doesn't help either of us...we should save that rancor for Basketball and Baseball ;)

Third, the Argos doing so poorly is due to a combination of factors. On field performance has been a big one, as they have stunk for the last few seasons. The complete lack of a welcome environment Rogers offers the Argos is another big one. Before when it was SkyDome, the Argos were fine, booming even. It was a shared stadium between the Jays and the Argos. Now the stores barely stock Argo gear and just about any Argo signage is neigh gone. Some people point to the immigrant factor in Toronto, but I don't buy into that. The CFL has a history of welcoming people from all cultures, and as people naturalize to a new home, they start picking up the sports after a couple generations. The corporate culture in Toronto is another wound. These guys have ruined the Leafs, as they go to games to play on their blackberries and see to take offense at people cheering. Pricing however in my opinion is the biggest problem for the Argos. You are in a stadium that seats 50,000+ and is a truly awesome experience when it's filled. Even 30,000 is pretty intense. Yet despite playing out of the largest stadium, the Argos pretty much stay at the CFL average for pricing, which is silly.

Last but not least, I sincerely hope Hamilton does get an NASL team. How awesome would it be to have a three way round robin with Ottawa and Edmonton to clinch that 4th Voyageurs cup seed. Sadly the economics of such a team aren't really conducive towards a lot of travel, which I see as NASL's current biggest weakness. It's hard to build a rivalry when you need to take a flight to watch an away game.

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I'm fairly certain that Hamilton will get an NASL or D2 soccer team when the new stadium is built and Canada Soccer figures out what they want to do. I believe there's a moratorium on new NASL teams getting sanctioned by Canada Soccer at this time.

Right now Bob Young has his hands full with not having a stadium for next year; when these things get resolved, I expect that there will be some announcements made. Having an extra 10-20 home dates will make a big difference on the economics of the new Pan Am stadium I think.

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Some interesting stuff:

http://www.thespec.com/sports-story/3412498-ticats-involved-in-early-days-of-new-vision-for-canadian-soccer/

Hamilton Related:

Hamilton Tiger-Cats' season team executives aren't ignoring their commitment to the "other football"

As part of the memorandum of understanding between the Tiger-Cats and the city, the team has a window of exclusivity — which will likely extend into 2017 — to establish a professional soccer team at the new Pan Am Stadium. After that, if there is no team, the rights revert to the city

Among core groups — if they're not the core group — with which the Canadian Soccer Association is consulting and planning in a search to create a more permanent, and economically viable, set of men's professional soccer teams in this country. Some of those groups are in other CFL cities.

"It's getting the economics right," says Bob Young who is willing, with team president Scott Mitchell, to take a major leadership role in a new or restructured league.

"Soccer in Canada and elsewhere in North America has come and gone because the economic models haven't worked.

"But, without the support of the key soccer associations that influence soccer in Canada, it's not going to work. How we structure this is the question. There are other organizations besides ours which are willing to invest in soccer if we could see the investment model that would get us a return on our investment."

Canada Div 2/ Div 3 Related:

"We're talking with anybody, really, in this country that has a stadium," says CSA president Victor Montagliani. "It's very preliminary, there's nothing in detail yet. Right now, it's just discussions and ideas. There are no business plans yet."

CSA is seeking financial support for a domestic league from FIFA, the sport's world governing body.

"We haven't talked to the CFL as a league," Montagliani told The Spectator. "All we've talked to are certain individuals who are associated with the CFL. But we've also talked to individuals who are not associated with the CFL. It's a real cast of characters, but they are all people who have the ability to look at this space (at the level just below MLS).

"This is not a CSA-CFL joint venture at this point. It's sort of just discussions with people who are affiliated with other organizations. The discussions are not one-dimensional. For instance, there are a lot of discussions with the MLS in terms of the issues we have with Canadian content.

"We're looking at the landscape underneath that. We can't get caught up in labelling because it might not be a Division II league, it might be a Canadian league."

Montagliani, who spoke highly of Young and the Tiger-Cats, stressed that any new league, or division, would have to result in a number of benefits for domestic soccer.

"What it is really creating is something in that sort of space that is a Canadian expression," he told The Spectator. "What is that Canadian expression? At the end of the day, for me, it becomes a numbers game. Is it creating X number of teams, X number of jobs for Canadian players, X number of jobs for Canadian coaches, X number of jobs for Canadian administrators?"

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Regarding the ariticle (Ticats involved in early days of new vision for Canadian soccer), I thought this line was strange:

It's believed the CSA is seeking financial support for a domestic league from FIFA, the sport's world governing body. Canada is the richest nation in the world, by far, without its own league.

I don't know why FIFA would be willing to put anything into Canada's domestic league over that of any other nation. Surely it is our problem with the solution and how we get there being our responsibility.

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Wow...this at the same time we are talking about bidding for the 2026 World Cup...what message does it send?

I think its standard practice for FIFA to give money on starting new leagues. Same with assistance on hosting events.

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I think its standard practice for FIFA to give money on starting new leagues. Same with assistance on hosting events.

Remember that the USA in 94 used the WC as a kickstarter for the MLS.

Discussions regarding start up models provided and funded under FIFA may need to be required in order to discount them.

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Remember that the USA in 94 used the WC as a kickstarter for the MLS.

Discussions regarding start up models provided and funded under FIFA may need to be required in order to discount them.

I'd live to see FIFA fund a bunch of five-a-side pitches across the country like they have in other parts of the world.

EDIT: I think I've confused some of the FIFA's projects with UEFA's.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/footballdevelopment/hattrick/news/newsid=1758181.html (Portugal)

http://www.uefa.com/news/newsid=1685443.html#sweden+reaps+hattrick+benefits (Sweden)

http://www.uefa.com/news/newsid=925743.html#finlands+hattrick+help (Finland)

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I'd live to see FIFA fund a bunch of five-a-side pitches across the country like they have in other parts of the world.

All very cool projects. I like the CSA's approach in seeking LL funding avenues to support a sustainable model that will produce national team players. This is just doing due diligence in my opinion. The extended shelf life the CSL also could be to their benefit for planning purposes.

Dino Rossi had an interesting approach for stadium/facility funding. At current, HST is not applied to registration fees. The proposal would be to remove that exemption and have those taxes recirculated to build soccer specific facilities.

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But doesn't it tell FIFA that we are still very developmental in terms of football culture, while at the same time trying to bring, in my opinion, the most prestigious sporting event in the world here? Not saying it matters a lot, but you never know. Depends on who is on the board and their impressions. It's not that easy to win a World Cup bid.

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