lattes Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Ok, so I have been told third hand that this year U11 and under will not have scores kept at tournaments and 'tournaments' will basically not exist. Also, there will not be any divisions so you can't register a 'B' team. Is this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 This is becoming the norm in BC already. You've got about 50% tourneys and 50% leagues NOT keeping score. And to be honest, it's a good thing! I was a u11 coach last year and loved not having scores kept. I wish it continued this year at u12...(one u12 league, Vancouver, doesn't record scores anywhere)... the 50-50 comment is not "scientific." I didn't go through each league and tourney but I can tell ya Surrey kept scores, but Fraser Valley didn't, nor did Vancouver. I can't recall what Coquitlam did....no clue what Island or the rest of the province did. We entered four tournaments. 1 did NOT keep scores, 3 did. Other tournaments I looked at did NOT keep scores. The best tourney we played was the one that didn't keep scores! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 I like the idea of not keeping scores, the problem is if you can't have B teams or divisions you are going to have kids who are bored because they are dominating a tournament and other kids who are frustrated because they can't win a game. House league hasnt kept scores forever BUT the kids keep score. To me it is more about having players playing other teams at the same level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 Also, LOVE the idea of not having 'elimination' tournaments. They put pressure on kids and coaches at too young an age. Still, nice to play people at the same skill level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I like the idea of not keeping scores, the problem is if you can't have B teams or divisions you are going to have kids who are bored because they are dominating a tournament and other kids who are frustrated because they can't win a game. House league hasnt kept scores forever BUT the kids keep score. To me it is more about having players playing other teams at the same level. You can still have "B" teams etc. It's simple. Choose your "best" and make them "A". Then, as this league and my league here in BC does, you can rotate who is in and out of that squad throughout the year to give players different experiences. Also, people keep score even if they aren't recorded. If you find you are winning every game by 4-5 or losing every game by 4-5 it's time to move up or down.... It's fairly simple to still have tiered leagues even if not keeping scores.... The problem all these years is they set-up a league and then for this reason or that refuse to move teams in the first few weeks even if they are getting killed or destroying everyone. This is adults getting in the way. Having tournaments that keep scores is fine, if leagues are not. But yes, having "scoreless" tournaments is also a great idea and I was thrilled to enter one and wished the others were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lattes Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 I was told that here there would be no divisions so that is more where I have an issue, again it is third hand so who knows. I think for U11 and under the 'scoreless tournaments' are great, we did a one day one last year which was just 'everyone gets three games' which was nice. Two day would work the same, just round robin type thing. I guess I will wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I was told that here there would be no divisions so that is more where I have an issue, again it is third hand so who knows. I think for U11 and under the 'scoreless tournaments' are great, we did a one day one last year which was just 'everyone gets three games' which was nice. Two day would work the same, just round robin type thing. I guess I will wait and see. What district are you in ... in Ontario, depending on the district what is going on might well be different, but esentially the OSA has decidecided to try to stop overly competitive techincal directors and club head coaches from putting teams of 10 year olds into eleven aside tournaments and many Districts are moving to mini soccer being played with no standings and fully floating rosters ... based on week to week choices by the club on who they field on a team for a league game. It wont take long for clubs to begin demanding the same all through the pyramid when the realize how much better it is for developing players, which is the goal every professional club head coach should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 @Trillium - My club already does this. u10-u12. Not sure what is happening u5-u9. Re: floating players. I know there are other clubs that do it to in varying formats. My district also doesn't keep scores until u12 but I know the Vancouver district does not keep scores at u12. In my u12 district teams can move players up or down as they see fit. I have no clue if other teams do it, though we did play in a tourney and I know one team called up B players for that, as my team did. So that was really nice to see. My point is I am all for these kinds of changes. My team hasn't been all that successful with W's in league play so I know the boys also appreciate the lack of emphasis on that, and as such really enjoy the cups/tournaments where everyone starts at O and the boys have less stress on them to "make-up" for the week before to get 3 pts. As a result they've been upper pack in all tournaments they've played despite playing equal to or higher opposition than in league play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThiKu Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I have had this sort of discussion on a Washington (state) soccer forum. Re: no scores, movement of players. It didn't go over well. Some totally get it, some are so vehemently against it. But I imagine that'd be the same in Canada....(especially over the no-scores bit). The problem with player movement is there is a lot of promo-releg there still (none here in this part of BC anyway - doubtful it's anywhere in the province). So it seems they often move "A" players down to "b" etc (and lower!) to win games and secure promotion or avoid relegation but do so at the expense of kids who were on the team the entire year....Some use the movement ethically and others don't or see it all as ethical as they are free to move players up or down on permits as they see fit (thus not breaking rules)....tough call! but that'd be where no scores at lower ages or even lower tiers(of upper ages) would come in handy to avoid "stacking". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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